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blk posted:Craigslist I'd totally restore this and drive it to every single Cadillac car show within 500 miles.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 23:14 |
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Extra posted:Really belongs in terrible car stuff but god drat. Jesus christ what is it about 90s MR2s that lead people to just loving destroy them? It seems like nearly every other 90s MR2 around here is a salvage title.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 23:17 |
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Terrible Robot posted:This is the Laforza Magnum, and it was apparently sold in the U.S. until 1998. It looks like something from one of the Grand Theft Auto games
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 23:46 |
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Terrible Robot posted:This is the Laforza Magnum, and it was apparently sold in the U.S. until 1998. That looks unironically awesome and there's one for two grand nearby... http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/4472009726.html
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 01:15 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Jesus christ what is it about 90s MR2s that lead people to just loving destroy them? It seems like nearly every other 90s MR2 around here is a salvage title. Snap oversteer.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 02:23 |
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You Am I posted:It looks like something from one of the Grand Theft Auto games Sounds like one too. LaForza? It's like they're not even trying.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 02:27 |
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Mighty Horse posted:Snap oversteer. I think the snap oversteer is a bit exaggerated, but maybe a lot of people aren't familiar with MR layouts. I drove a MR2 spyder again the other day and as much as I love my Miata, I do prefer that layout. The whole package in that particular instance isn't worth it for me, though.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 02:32 |
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blk posted:I think the snap oversteer is a bit exaggerated, but maybe a lot of people aren't familiar with MR layouts. Pretty much. If you have a clue you know how to handle it...but don't and wham. Look at all the wrecked wrxes out there.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 02:58 |
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Mighty Horse posted:Pretty much. If you have a clue you know how to handle it...but don't and wham. What's the handling problem with WRXes?
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 03:08 |
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No idea but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it has something to do with people assuming AWD means "I can't crash, ever, and my vehicle will never lose traction so let me just go ahead and drive like a dong in the snow with my summer tires on."
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 03:16 |
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Oh, I thought it was some MR2-like Konami-code do this then this then this and you die.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 03:18 |
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VideoTapir posted:Oh, I thought it was some MR2-like Konami-code do this then this then this and you die. lift throttle mid-corner-->>be retarded--->>>die Although I think it had more to do with the first run of SW20s having messed up rear suspension geometry or something and would stick really great...and then wouldn't. Terrible Robot fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Jun 12, 2014 |
# ? Jun 12, 2014 03:21 |
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:No idea but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it has something to do with people assuming AWD means "I can't crash, ever, and my vehicle will never lose traction so let me just go ahead and drive like a dong in the snow with my summer tires on." I worked with a kid who did exactly that in his STi. Was donging around in the rain and spun around and bounced off a jersey barrier. And yeah, on each gen of MR2s, the first couple model years of each had nice sharp MR-style handling, then partway through the generation they detuned the handling (removing the rear sway bar in 86+ AW11s, softer rear suspension on 93+ SW20s, staggered figment wide rear tires on later ZZW30s) because each time, they discovered all over again that Joe Public's first instinct when they take a corner a little hotter than intended or feel the rear start to come loose is to abruptly lift off the throttle and get on the brakes. Edit:^^^^^^ the initial run of SW20s had their suspension dialed in by a pro racing driver on a track, which gave it very good, race car like handling. It also gave it a race car's margin of errors for mistakes (i.e. not much of a margin at all). Most buyers were not, in fact professional racers... Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jun 12, 2014 |
# ? Jun 12, 2014 03:24 |
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Terrible Robot posted:lift throttle mid-corner-->>be retarded--->>>die Sounds like what I've heard Vipers described as. Tons and tons and tons of grip... and then there isn't.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 03:47 |
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VideoTapir posted:What's the handling problem with WRXes? People think they can add a bunch of power and do nothing with handling and then run super cheap all seasons. Then still believe they can go 10/10ths into a corner and in the winter don't believe they need winter tires. There seems to be a lot more inexperienced drivers jumping into them these days as well.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 04:24 |
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Terrible Robot posted:lift throttle mid-corner-->>be retarded--->>>die That's not significantly different than anything else. Boaz MacPhereson posted:Sounds like what I've heard Vipers described as. Tons and tons and tons of grip... and then there isn't. Some things telegraph that break point better than others, but it all comes down to what we all know: not pushing the limits in an unsafe area until you know what those limits look feel and smell like. My two polar opposites are the '74 911, which always wanted to kill me to the 85.5 944 which very politely tells me before I'm going to go sideways into a tree by scrubbing first, giving me an option to unspool from the turn or throttle steer it. (seriously....this is why people who know 944s love them so much....the suspension is brilliant....it's like training wheels).
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 04:57 |
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Motronic posted:85.5 944 which very politely tells me before I'm going to go sideways into a tree by scrubbing first, giving me an option to unspool from the turn or throttle steer it. (seriously....this is why people who know 944s love them so much....the suspension is brilliant....it's like training wheels). Not that it's limits are anywhere near a 944's, but my 96 T-bird did this. It was nice, for being so goddamned heavy.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 05:03 |
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Motronic posted:That's not significantly different than anything else. Same thing with AE86 corollas and late model 3 series, you can feel the grip starting to loosen up with plenty of room to decide if you want to give it more throttle and adjust your steering angle now, or back off and let it settle back in. When my '85 MR2 decided that going around a 25mph cloverleaf in the rain at the posted speed was a good time to start loosening up the rear, your only choice was to keep the throttle steady and hope you'd begun your countersteer in time.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 05:06 |
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HotCanadianChick posted:Same thing with AE86 corollas and late model 3 series Properly designed suspension......not a completely disconnected beigemobile. Unfortunately, we are the 1% on wanting things like this so we have to pick what luckily works for us.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 05:13 |
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Motronic posted:Properly designed suspension......not a completely disconnected beigemobile. It's not even particularly sophisticated suspension in either of the cars I mentioned, hell the corollas get by with strut fronts and a five link live axle out back, but having good balance and weight distribution and steering with good feedback goes a long way.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 05:31 |
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HotCanadianChick posted:It's not even particularly sophisticated Yeah.....that. It's not happening so much anymore. Weight distribution is basically only kept within a reasonable spec, steering is whatever electronic poo poo comes off the parts bin and DBW throttle control is typically even worse. Beigemobiles. I've driven them. They get worse the newer they are. We might be doomed.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 05:41 |
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Rev matching in a DBW corolla is an exercise in frustration - clutch, blip throttle, wait 1.5 seconds for ecu to realize you blipped throttle, then put it into lower gear. It kills me.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 06:21 |
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VideoTapir posted:What's the handling problem with WRXes? Nothing, just idiots. wilfredmerriweathr posted:Rev matching in a DBW corolla is an exercise in frustration - clutch, blip throttle, wait 1.5 seconds for ecu to realize you blipped throttle, then put it into lower gear. I really struggle with my TDI. I don't know if it's the ITR that's spoiled me, or if the TDI is just tough and I need get the gently caress used to it and deal. Maybe it's the DBW, maybe it's the turbo lag and low-reving nature of the diesel engine. I don't know. I can tell you this; I can nail multiple-gear downshifts in the ITR like the car is reading my mind, pitch perfect every loving time. The TDI though, I'm jerky and slow and clumsy with it, that car is really good at making me feel like a manual transmission noob. I stall it often too. trouser chili fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jun 12, 2014 |
# ? Jun 12, 2014 14:40 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Jesus christ what is it about 90s MR2s that lead people to just loving destroy them? It seems like nearly every other 90s MR2 around here is a salvage title. Welcome to 90s 300ZXes, too. Around here there are two types: the five or ten or so in my (million+ city) that are well-maintained, and cared for, inevitably twin turbos. I have one of these hen teeth. The other type, is ratty-shouldn't-be-running-but-for-the-grace-of-the-VG30, smoke clouding it up. The rest are just dead and never coming back, and that's the vast majority. Good Z32s are like hen's teeth now.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 15:59 |
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VideoTapir posted:What's the handling problem with WRXes? yeah is been covered, nothing wrong with them, its just different from driving mom's FWD Camry around+idiots = lots of parts cars for us.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 18:07 |
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Mighty Horse posted:Snap oversteer. I own a MR2, it is exaggerated (although maybe it is more prevalent in the Turbo models - mine has a NA Camry engine). However it can happen in other cars, I had it happen to me in my 1990 Integra during autocross.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 20:51 |
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animeliker posted:I own a MR2, it is exaggerated (although maybe it is more prevalent in the Turbo models - mine has a NA Camry engine). However it can happen in other cars, I had it happen to me in my 1990 Integra during autocross. Happened to me in my '92 MR2 turbo. Was going around a long turn, lifted off the gas a bit too much and before I could react I was spinning. Luckily there was no one around and no damage done to it. To this day I'm still very cautious going around corners with any kind of speed, despite driving better sorted cars now.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 23:13 |
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HotCanadianChick posted:Same thing with AE86 corollas and late model 3 series, you can feel the grip starting to loosen up with plenty of room to decide if you want to give it more throttle and adjust your steering angle now, or back off and let it settle back in. When my '85 MR2 decided that going around a 25mph cloverleaf in the rain at the posted speed was a good time to start loosening up the rear, your only choice was to keep the throttle steady and hope you'd begun your countersteer in time. I did the same thing with my first AW11. Freeway onramp in the wet, by the time I realized the back end was letting go I was facing the car behind me(who happened to go to highschool with me). You get used to it after a while. I really learned to handle it well after a couple of autox runs in the wet. There is a very fine line between the back end getting loose and spinning. Speaking of mr2's, I think I have posted this in here before, but it just showed back up on CL and I want it still. The drivetrain/suspension is out of my last mr2 that got totalled. I still have a bunch of random aw11 parts in my garage, including a gasket set for that motor. Time to get off my rear end and sell my e30 to fund buying it... *edit* fixed image size.
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# ? Jun 13, 2014 00:13 |
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Extra posted:Really belongs in terrible car stuff but god drat. That's like 5 minutes from me.
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# ? Jun 13, 2014 00:29 |
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trouser chili posted:Nothing, just idiots. With the Miata and the TDI it's real obvious to me the TDI slow revving is what kills the downshifts. You have to just hammer the accelerator to blip it enough for a big downshift. On the plus side there is no real need to get it over 4k. When I got the TDI I stalled I a lot too. There was some sort of ECU flash (I think) that helped, because I have only stalled it a couple times in the last couple years.
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# ? Jun 13, 2014 01:20 |
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I don't know anything about Honda/Acura but gold? http://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/4517453861.html EDIT: Did not realize that the photos weren't recent. mariooncrack fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jun 13, 2014 |
# ? Jun 13, 2014 01:35 |
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:Rev matching in a DBW corolla is an exercise in frustration - clutch, blip throttle, wait 1.5 seconds for ecu to realize you blipped throttle, then put it into lower gear. What annoys me about DBW is that it's the absolute perfect way to implement automatic rev matching (with the addition of a few sensors on the shift linkage so it knows what gear you're aiming for), but they don't, and just leave it hamstrung with an awful laggy useless DBW setup that makes it impossible to rev match yourself OR drive it well so you just fumblefuck around on the road like an idiot.
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# ? Jun 13, 2014 01:41 |
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kastein posted:What annoys me about DBW is that it's the absolute perfect way to implement automatic rev matching (with the addition of a few sensors on the shift linkage so it knows what gear you're aiming for), but they don't, and just leave it hamstrung with an awful laggy useless DBW setup that makes it impossible to rev match yourself OR drive it well so you just fumblefuck around on the road like an idiot. Yeah, they did an awesome job on the new C7. Just hit a lever behind the wheel and the DBW throttle will give you perfect rev-matched downshifts every time.
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# ? Jun 13, 2014 02:00 |
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HotCanadianChick posted:Yeah, they did an awesome job on the new C7. Just hit a lever behind the wheel and the DBW throttle will give you perfect rev-matched downshifts every time. It annoys me mostly because it's even logically simple. The ECU already knows what speed the engine was turning and what speed the driveshaft is turning, that means it knows what gear you were in. So really if you assume you'll never skip gears, all you need is a way to determine if you're upshifting or downshifting (the lever you mentioned) and it's trivial for a DBW motor to demand a certain output RPM corresponding to your speed and the next expected gear and wait for the load to come back. And then they gently caress it up instead
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# ? Jun 13, 2014 02:16 |
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/321424634278quote:A full review of the EVO2 can be viewed by CLICKING HERE bmwdrivers.txt Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Jun 13, 2014 |
# ? Jun 13, 2014 05:35 |
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Jesus christ dude if it's going to be worth $400,000 in 15 years why are you selling it nowGeirskogul posted:Rare doesn't equal good quite true. I mean, in this case it is a really cool car. But it is NOT worth $90k, nor will it EVER be worth $400k. Kenshin fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jun 13, 2014 |
# ? Jun 13, 2014 05:54 |
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Rare doesn't equal good
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# ? Jun 13, 2014 08:22 |
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Welp, everyone else can stop posting to craigslist, the game has been won and is over. http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/4504946742.html
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# ? Jun 13, 2014 18:12 |
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haha he put in an odometer reading and a VIN.
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# ? Jun 13, 2014 18:30 |
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That thing is for sale again?
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