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Casimir Radon posted:Shithead was reading Atlas Shrugged, typical. I unironically enjoyed this book. People seem to like ragging on it. Maybe it's just the cool thing to do.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:They're making nice progress towards their next formable India would nuke the entire Earth before they let any kind of Islamic majority occur in their borders
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The Stygian posted:I unironically enjoyed this book. People seem to like ragging on it. Maybe it's just the cool thing to do.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:They're making nice progress towards their next formable Other than them taking control of Indian and Pakistani nukes I don't see a problem with this. Actually maybe it would be a good thing if they got them.
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where is the Ottoman Empire when you need them
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It's reassuring that at least there's someone out there not laying claim to Cyprus.
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Courthouse posted:The post WWII technical win to abject failure ratio looks rather dim, yes. This is what happens when you tie a hand behind your back.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/iraq-asked-us-for-airstrikes-on-militants-officials-say.html I'm waiting for the wonderful 2014 election cycle about Obama losing Iraq.
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They should just ask their friends to the north for help if they're so hard up. I'm sure Iran would love the opportunity to drop a few bombs on a Kurdish city.
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gfanikf posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/iraq-asked-us-for-airstrikes-on-militants-officials-say.html http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-fall-of-mosul-1402442628?KEYWORDS=iraq+opinion e: wsj posted:So much for al Qaeda being on a path to defeat, as President Obama used to be fond of boasting. On Tuesday fighters for the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, an al Qaeda affiliate known as ISIS, seized total control of the northern city of Mosul—with nearly two million people—after four days of fighting. Thousands of civilians have fled for their lives, including the governor of Nineveh province, who spoke of the "massive collapse" of the Iraqi army. This could also describe the state of U.S. policy in Iraq.
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America... gently caress! ...yeah.
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you see, we should've just made iraq the 51st state
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The following is an expert strategy on dealing with future problems in Afghanistan
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Booblord Zagats posted:The following is an expert strategy on dealing with future problems in Afghanistan First, we would have to invent space marines.
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Mad Dragon posted:First, we would have to invent space marines. Who in turn would all just wish they were Orbital SEALs
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Booblord Zagats posted:The following is an expert strategy on dealing with future problems in Afghanistan So basically what Joe Biden wanted to do back in 2009. In other news, Maliki is asking us to pull his rear end out of the fire. Iraq Said to Seek U.S. Strikes on Militants Apparently he asked for some help a couple months back but Obama told him to gently caress off because gently caress that.
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Iraq War 3: this time we're serious.
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shyduck posted:you see, we should've just made iraq the 51st state This but only half as ironically
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Whip Slagcheek posted:Iraq War 3: this time we're serious. Think I'm going to wait till it comes out on DVD
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Snowdens Secret posted:This but only half as ironically Decent ruins, some oil, but worse people than Mississippi.
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Realtalkin' "Renew Shia/Sunni foreverwar, also conduct wholesale tribalist slaughter" has been on the to-do list of most of the Mideast since the Ottomans fell. I'm still convinced that in the long run that area will go through a lot less pain having had us punch the reset button sooner, rather than let some tinpot dictators run their genocides and bushwars for a few decades more and then have all this poo poo inevitably happen (would've been better in the '90s before Euro was too broke to help, but whatev.) The only real argument is whether we could've eased Iraq through or even avoided this phase with a long (decades) occupation. The Japs had been doing the tribalist slaughter thing for centuries at least before we showed up and it only took two to three generations of occupation to work that out of their system.
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Tikrit has now fallen too http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/12/crisis-in-iraq-insurgents-take-major-cities-live-blog
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Countdown till people start talking about how we 'abandoned our allies in Iraq' because of... well... whatever. It'll all be blamed on the US.
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50 Foot Ant posted:Countdown till people start talking about how we 'abandoned our allies in Iraq' because of... well... whatever. why would there be a countdown that started years ago
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50 Foot Ant posted:Countdown till people start talking about how we 'abandoned our allies in Iraq' because of... well... whatever. Because we went in to "fix" poo poo and completely destabilized the area with a lack of an exit plan, where we balled out on a country that was in juvenile development in terms of a new government. We left them with a lovely half assed military made up of unmoyivated dudes with no real experienced leadership because of us deciding gently caress those guys, then trying to give them American style everything rather than adapting our system to their culture. Then there was the whole surge bullshit, arming deathsquads and paying them so they were then "security forces" and we could say that insurgent activity was down in Anbar, leaving those motherfuckers armed and unsupervised all because Bush put worthless fuckstain Pateaus as Supreme Reichsmarshall of Nickels. gently caress the whole situation. I feel like poo poo because I put a ton of work in, and wanted to do the right thing, and wanted Iraq to come out better than when we went in. So yeah, kinda our fault.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Because we went in to "fix" poo poo and completely destabilized the area with a lack of an exit plan, where we balled out on a country that was in juvenile development in terms of a new government. We left them with a lovely half assed military made up of unmoyivated dudes with no real experienced leadership because of us deciding gently caress those guys, then trying to give them American style everything rather than adapting our system to their culture. Then there was the whole surge bullshit, arming deathsquads and paying them so they were then "security forces" and we could say that insurgent activity was down in Anbar, leaving those motherfuckers armed and unsupervised all because Bush put worthless fuckstain Pateaus as Supreme Reichsmarshall of Nickels. gently caress the whole situation. I feel like poo poo because I put a ton of work in, and wanted to do the right thing, and wanted Iraq to come out better than when we went in. See, this is all right. I get this. I'm more talking about the infamous "GET US OUT OF IRAQ! No, wait, WHY DID WE ABANDON IRAQ?" people.
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quote:All this should serve as a warning to what we can expect in Afghanistan as the Administration replays its Iraq strategy of full withdrawal after 2016. It should also serve as a reminder of the magnitude of the strategic blunder of leaving no U.S. forces in Iraq after the country finally had a chance to serve as a new anchor of stability and U.S. influence in the region. An Iraqi army properly aided by U.S. air power would not have collapsed as it did in Mosul.  In better news; quote:Kurdish forces are in full control of Iraq's oil city of Kirkuk after the federal army abandoned their posts, a Peshmerga spokesman told Reuter. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Jun 12, 2014 |
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Tikrit has now fallen too quote:An estimated 30,000 Iraqi troops fled from just 800 insurgents after three days of sporadic fighting in Mosul, handing Isis its most significant gain in the sectarian clashes. Holy poo poo is the IA really that bad?
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kemikalkadet posted:Holy poo poo is the IA really that bad? Well, there's a poo poo-ton of local militias and criminals who are also fighting the government. So it's a few more than 800 shooting at them. But yes, it really is an army in name only. Expect the peshmega to be the ones retaking the north. I wouldn't be surprised if this collapse ends with the Kurds finally taking effective control of Mosul and Kirkuk. Who's going to save the rest of the country, gently caress knows. Maliki will need to have someone come in and save him. The Shia can hold Baghdad and the south, but the rest would be lost for the government. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Jun 12, 2014 |
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Zeroisanumber posted:Decent ruins, some oil, but worse people than Mississippi. Texas was admitted to the Union in 1845.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Realtalkin' "Renew Shia/Sunni foreverwar, also conduct wholesale tribalist slaughter" has been on the to-do list of most of the Mideast since the Ottomans fell. I'm still convinced that in the long run that area will go through a lot less pain having had us punch the reset button sooner, rather than let some tinpot dictators run their genocides and bushwars for a few decades more and then have all this poo poo inevitably happen (would've been better in the '90s before Euro was too broke to help, but whatev.) Uh, the Japanese had like 250+ years without any major wars before they were made to open to the west at gunpoint by the Americans. The point of almost every shogunate period Japanese media is how the lack of conflict was transforming the warrior class into largely glorified clerks. LimburgLimbo fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Jun 12, 2014 |
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Welp, Brown Moses just got quoted in a Washington Post article about the $425 million that the ISIS lifted from Mosul.
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They should just send like five divisions to Iraq, make it weapons free like it was for a short time ten years ago, and just kill everybody. gently caress this nonsense.
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I hope we don't do a thing. We tried to set up a SOFA in 2011 in order to keep troops in Iraq longer. They refused and basically kicked us out. My ship was the one that turned Al Basra Oil Terminal (ABOT) back to Iraqi control. There was such an absolute shitstorm of confusion from every tanker or ship that came into the area. Everything that we had been doing, such as monitoring which tankers were in waiting to go to the terminal, preventing any vessels from getting a certain distance from the terminal, etc stopped instantly. The new guys on the terminal would ignore any tanker radioing them unless they were supposed to pull up to the terminal next. The patrol boats wouldn't budge until someone was nearly at the terminal and then would scramble, yell, and threaten to fire guns at anyone who happened to cross the line. All the while we were constantly hailed by all the tankers that were used to the system that we installed 7-8 years earlier. They were always confused as to what they should do. All we were allowed to do is basically shrug our shoulders and tell them to radio the terminal knowing full well that no one on the terminal actually gave gently caress. We would routinely see all the Iraqi patrol boats just take off and go to shore. We asked them why, and it would always be something like "oh so and so has the shits so all the boats have to come in" or "in our rush to go yell at the Iranian flagged dhow and fire our pistols at them to get them to leave, one of our guys shot himself in the leg so we all have to go in."
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Amazingly (and given the way that history has treated them almost unbelievably) no one is slaughtering the Kurds wholesale and they might even come out on top with a de facto state of their own after this. Somewhere in Ankara, Ataturk's mummy cries a single dusty tear.
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Cole posted:They should just send like five divisions to Iraq, make it weapons free like it was for a short time ten years ago, and just kill everybody. gently caress this nonsense. this is dumb ur dumb also all the obummer blaming so far is amazing, everyone seems to forget the reason we don't have a force in Iraq currently is the iraqis wouldn't agree to the SOFA we proposed and wanted to have us troops accountable under Iraqi law in Iraqi courts, which lol @ that. also makes maliki begging for airstrikes even funnier, nigga u had your chance to get that and let it walk away
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bulletsponge13 posted:Because we went in to "fix" poo poo No we didn't, we went in to topple Saddam. That's as far as our plan went. We didn't even move to secure the borders for months. Reconstruction contractors and supplies should have been right behind the ships carrying tanks and MREs. But...nope. I still don't think it would've ended well, but reconstruction never had a chance to succeed. We stormed the valley and let Iran et al have the overlooking hills. shyduck posted:you see, we should've just made iraq the 51st state I'd rather invade Puerto Rico. It'd be great without so many drat Puerto Ricans. Godholio fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Jun 12, 2014 |
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Nuke everything, and spread an aerosolized version of the Ebolapox that the USSR developed just for shits and giggles.
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Hassan Rouhani has declared in a televised speech that Iran stands ready to aid Iraq in combating the terrorist threat. With any luck failing to stop the Iranians from getting the bomb will have an unforeseen upside of us not having to take the blame for the solution to the current troubles.  Courthouse fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Jun 12, 2014 |
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