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With all of the Iraqi security forces such huge pussies how did Saddam stay in power for so long?
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Jun 13, 2014 04:23
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ded posted:With all of the Iraqi security forces such huge pussies how did Saddam stay in power for so long? Anyone with any balls got killed in 1991 and 2003 or said "gently caress you!" and joined the insurgents? Who was it that said that the only things an Arab understands is a boot on his neck and a bullet in his head?
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Jun 13, 2014 04:28
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tuluk posted:link to this thing please. Fiasco by Thomas Ricks is a great read on the topic.
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Jun 13, 2014 04:53
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ded posted:With all of the Iraqi security forces such huge pussies how did Saddam stay in power for so long? We fired the competent ones. Some came back after jihading to be Iraqi police and I bet most of those guys are growing out their beards and hanging out with their old friends again.
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Jun 13, 2014 05:09
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50 Foot Ant posted:Who was it that said that the only things an Arab understands is a boot on his neck and a bullet in his head? Don't know if I said it first, but I say it pretty often.
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Jun 13, 2014 06:31
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Saddam's core security contingent IIRC was primarily Sunni and tied to him tribally, which helped greatly in terms of loyalty. He also dropped (relatively) shitloads of cash on them, and they were dedicated to maintaining his rule, not 'maintaining the peace', two very different notions with different associated methods. A whole lot of those dudes were killed in either the invasion itself, the Baathist purges of the early war, or the sectarian violence that followed, and most of that was a decade ago. Regardless, they'd almost certainly be not interested in or welcome in Maliki's sec forces. Maliki didn't and couldn't build up the kinds of elite terror squads Hussein had, and basically just let his Shia goons get most of their benefits from messing with the local Sunni (including a lot of the groups we turned friendly in the surge/awakening, flipping them right back) with predictable results once they met credible resistance. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/militants-seize-turkish-consulate-staff-in-mosul.html?_r=0 quote:ISTANBUL — The Turkish government reacted with alarm on Wednesday to the seizure of the country’s consul general and his staff by militants in Mosul, Iraq, vowing to retaliate if any of its citizens are wounded. http://www.todayszaman.com/news-350215-erdogans-call-to-obama-for-help-in-mosul-forwarded-to-biden.html quote:Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan called US President Barack Obama to discuss the situation in Mosul, Iraq, where the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) seized the Turkish Consulate General, but the White House forwarded his call to Vice President Joe Biden, Today's Zaman has learned. Don't answer my calls, will you? Well... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/06/11/uk-iraq-security-nato-idUKKBN0EM24B20140611 quote:NATO ambassadors held an emergency meeting at Turkey's request on Wednesday on the situation in northern Iraq, where Islamist militants have seized swathes of territory and taken 80 Turkish citizens hostage. Technically Turkey could invoke Article V to insist on assistance to get its diplomats back.
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Jun 13, 2014 06:46
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ded posted:With all of the Iraqi security forces such huge pussies how did Saddam stay in power for so long? Iraq's security forces under saddam just captured mosul and tikrit. The BBC did a 3 part documentary that's really good looking at iraq including how the military got turned into an insurgency https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1UpxpnvG_s Loving Africa Chaps fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Jun 13, 2014 |
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Jun 13, 2014 08:36
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Iraq's security forces under saddam just captured mosul and tikrit. I laughed.
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Jun 13, 2014 09:57
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Iraq's security forces under saddam just captured mosul and tikrit. Gengis Kahn's army just took Tibet. Afghanistan expected to be the next target.
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Jun 13, 2014 12:59
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:i think its weird and hosed up that the us census classifies arabs and other swarthy persons as white http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race Arabs don't fall into the Negroid or Mongoloid race. You can also piss off SJWs by suggesting that people from Mexico and/or Spain are white.
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Jun 13, 2014 17:37
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chemosh6969 posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race please dont troll
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Jun 13, 2014 18:27
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First time I went to Mexico I was surprised to see so many white looking people. I learned there's a lot of them, they're of Spanish descent and they're largely responsible for running businesses and the politics and corruption ruining the country. Spaniards may be off brand white people but goddamn, they're world class subjugators and they left legacy of brown oppression through all of central and south America. They're still total faggots though
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Jun 13, 2014 18:37
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iyaayas01 posted:It really is. I was over in Asia when the Chinese war plan against the US made the news and it talked about how we rely too much on technology and they'd use EMP to cripple us. I guess it was bigger in the news over there because I was trying to find more in the US news when I got back and I had trouble looking it up. I thought that was more worrisome. Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:please dont troll Not trolling and I assume you didn't bother reading it. quote:Caucasoid as a biological classification remains in use, particularly within the field of forensic anthropology. We had to change how we track race based on some new rules from the feds, so I got to learn all about these classifications of race. Just stating anything about this sort of stuff to people that don't know better seems to flip them out.
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Jun 13, 2014 19:49
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chemosh6969 posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race you can actually piss off SJWs by pointing out caucasoid/negroid/mongoloid like really bad so
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Jun 13, 2014 22:30
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So, ISIS versus Mahdi Army, who wins?
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Jun 13, 2014 22:35
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Dantu posted:So, ISIS versus Mahdi Army, who wins? us 
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Jun 13, 2014 22:39
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Snowdens Secret posted:Don't answer my calls, will you? Well... And once again, Mr. Obama ignores the calls of his allies when they come under attack. How many more countries countries will he ignore? I recall the talk radio shows saying if Obama was elected that other nations would put him to the test shortly after he's elected. That time is now and so far Syria, Russia, and the mighty ISIS have rolled over our mighty reptilian muslim president. We all know the ant people of China can't be far off from demonstrating their power...
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Jun 13, 2014 22:53
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Don't forget that now it's ISIS vs Mahdi Army AND the IRGC, so yeah, the more of each other that they kill the more we win.
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Jun 13, 2014 22:59
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 https://twitter.com/azelin/status/477229200240148481
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Jun 13, 2014 23:08
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dusted
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Jun 13, 2014 23:10
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lol
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Jun 13, 2014 23:40
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I dunno if this has been posted yet but lol DnD is already getting back to "this extremist group isn't actually bad and are basically the republicans of Egypt/Iraq/Syria"The Brown Menace posted:Not incorrect. I mean sure we'd all love to pretend that ISIS is the worst poo poo ever, and they actually are a strong contender, but ISIS is also very good at keeping up (sharia) law and order. They don't just randomly gently caress with people, and many of the freedoms they restrict are ones which the people they govern never used or intended to use anyway. *img-severed head lying on rear end, teenager mag dumped on after drive by* Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Jun 14, 2014 |
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Jun 14, 2014 03:06
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Um isn't ISIS like a brand new umbrella for a bunch of well-funded shitheads to GoPro off a bunch of Iraqis?
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Jun 14, 2014 03:11
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"They're ending freedoms no one was going to use anyway" is a new one to me and honestly makes me want to throw up a lil.
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Jun 14, 2014 03:12
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Pretty good warporn on liveleak right now.
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Jun 14, 2014 03:14
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:"They're ending freedoms no one was going to use anyway" is a new one to me and honestly makes me want to throw up a lil. Yeah, I'm not one of those people who jerks it to pictures of the constitution but that phrase is not one that I like.
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Jun 14, 2014 03:15
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:"They're ending freedoms no one was going to use anyway" is a new one to me and honestly makes me want to throw up a lil. That is legitimately hosed up. Is that DnD rhetoric?
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Jun 14, 2014 03:15
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:I dunno if this has been posted yet but lol DnD is already getting back to "this extremist group isn't actually bad and are basically the republicans of Egypt/Iraq/Syria" "many of the freedoms they restrict are ones which the people they govern never used or intended to use anyway." 
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Jun 14, 2014 03:19
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:Pretty good warporn on liveleak right now. post a link then
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Jun 14, 2014 03:24
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Whip Slagcheek posted:"many of the freedoms they restrict are ones which the people they govern never used or intended to use anyway." Yes, like the freedom not to get their head cut off.
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Jun 14, 2014 03:24
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holocaust bloopers posted:Um isn't ISIS like a brand new umbrella for a bunch of well-funded shitheads to GoPro off a bunch of Iraqis? it's just GoPro's marketing team
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Jun 14, 2014 03:25
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well you see people there never drink alcohol or have premarital sex cause they're real good muslims so someone enforcing this stuff isn't really a problem
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Jun 14, 2014 03:28
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friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:well you see people there never drink alcohol or have premarital sex cause they're real good muslims so someone enforcing this stuff isn't really a problem Yeah, but they're not ISIS's type of muslims, so they need to be decapitated.
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Jun 14, 2014 03:40
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lmbo @ the peshmerga swooping in and snatching kirkuk for themselves. how long until we got a sunni/shiite/kurdish 3 way bloodbath? 
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Jun 14, 2014 03:47
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It's really cool watching people argue for non intervention that aren't quite willing to say they're cool with teenagers chopping each others' heads for eternity with no one doing anything whatsoever about it.
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Jun 14, 2014 03:50
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quote:"many of the freedoms they restrict are ones which the people they govern never used or intended to use anyway." Holy poo poo.
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Jun 14, 2014 03:50
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I don't practice any religion, so maybe we should just take away the ability to worship any religion at all.  ...actually, that sounds like a pretty good idea. Maybe this guy is on to something.
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Jun 14, 2014 03:55
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:lmbo @ the peshmerga swooping in and snatching kirkuk for themselves. how long until we got a sunni/shiite/kurdish 3 way bloodbath? lol if the end result of this is the KRG basically establishing themselves as a fully autonomous rump state of course then we just need to begin the countdown until the Turks roll in to crush everyone involved GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:It's really cool watching people argue for non intervention that aren't quite willing to say they're cool with teenagers chopping each others' heads for eternity with no one doing anything whatsoever about it. I'm for non-intervention and I am completely cool with this. In fact at least regarding Iraq/Syria at the moment my preferred foreign policy was best described in that article SS posted: “We’ll kill you if you mess with us, but otherwise go die”
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Jun 14, 2014 04:05
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Heads: use 'em or lose 'em
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Jun 14, 2014 04:07
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Can't say I disagree with that young upstart, and honestly those that don't exercise their rights deserve to have them taken away which is why I'll never not exercise my 2nd amendment rights as long as I'm alive right fellow ~*~*~oath keepers~*~*~??? Love me some ~*~*~oath keeping~*~*~
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