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dissss posted:I think everyone (Koreans included) will start do de-contented, cheaper to produce versions of their cars for the US domestic market. Isn't that already happening with Hyundai? I thought the confusing mess of cars Hyundai has in Australia is because we get both the US and Euro models. they've got a pair of cars in each class up to medium.
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dissss posted:I think everyone (Koreans included) will start do de-contented, cheaper to produce versions of their cars for the US domestic market. The day this happens, the Earth will spin backwards. BMW, Audi and Mercedes will never stop selling their cars in North America as "premium" offerings with fat margins (or at least, fatter than they get selling a 520d repmobile in the UK).
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BabyMauler posted:Mass didn't get one on RT1 Norwood where the Fiat dealer complex is? Or even down the road at the Maserati/Ferrari place? They have a ton of land! But bumfuck Vermont gets one. More than plenty of jerks with money in the Boston area, what gives Alfa? I'm amazed that Spokane WA is getting one, but none in Portland  With as many 500s on the streets here (not to mention the US's oldest Ferrari dealer, I would have bet good money we'd be in the first round. Spokane is about the same size city, but it's loving redneck bumfuckistan central and most people there drive lovely old hoopties.
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MrChips posted:The day this happens, the Earth will spin backwards. BMW, Audi and Mercedes will never stop selling their cars in North America as "premium" offerings with fat margins (or at least, fatter than they get selling a 520d repmobile in the UK). I don't mean the premium brands, I mean regular cars. Its already happened for stuff like the Accord and Corolla.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2014/06/10/alfa-romeo-4c-priced-53900-gains-342-pounds/ The alfa got fat for america, just like people. only about 200lbs lighter than an FRS now.
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Jun 11, 2014 04:54
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Speaking of which I saw a 4C in Atlanta about 3 weeks ago. Looked like a RHD (wasn't able to get next to it to see), but I didn't think it was importable as is. Guess it could have been a US demo with a small driver.
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dissss posted:I don't mean the premium brands, I mean regular cars. Its already happened for stuff like the Accord and Corolla. Are the North American Accord, Corolla and others actually downmarket compared to what's offered overseas or are they just fatter to play to American tastes?
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Wheeee posted:Are the North American Accord, Corolla and others actually downmarket compared to what's offered overseas or are they just fatter to play to American tastes? IIRC Honda already does this: the Acura TSX is essentially a Euro Accord
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Powershift posted:http://www.autoblog.com/2014/06/10/alfa-romeo-4c-priced-53900-gains-342-pounds/ Still gonna test drive one. I have a feeling the dealer mark ups are going to be nuts. Which is fine and dandy since I've been jonesing for the Morgan 3 Wheeler as of late.
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Powershift posted:http://www.autoblog.com/2014/06/10/alfa-romeo-4c-priced-53900-gains-342-pounds/
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Wheeee posted:Are the North American Accord, Corolla and others actually downmarket compared to what's offered overseas or are they just fatter to play to American tastes? In some cases, but mostly this is just because cars in general are much cheaper in the US compared to almost every other country including the country where the car came from, and the European car will probably have a 1.3l diesel with 74hp. So basically the US doesn't get all the cool European cars because in the US you can usually buy a Mustang with twice the horsepower for half the price.
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In EVO's initial review of the M235i (I think it was the 235?), they were driving a US-spec car, and apparently BMW made a point of telling them they were driving one with a US-spec interior, and that the Euro/UK version would be better. America has very cheap new cars, so the fact that manufacturers decontent cars and use cheaper materials doesn't surprise me at all. They need to meet that lower price point, and it would appear that people generally don't notice.
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InitialDave posted:In EVO's initial review of the M235i (I think it was the 235?), they were driving a US-spec car, and apparently BMW made a point of telling them they were driving one with a US-spec interior, and that the Euro/UK version would be better. This is hilarious in light of the fact that BMW/Merc/Audi/et. al. don't bring their cheap models here at all. We only barely got the 335d just a few years ago, there's no way they'll sell cheap models like a 120d in North America. They refuse to sell 'cheap' models here because then they'd lose the prestige of being a 'premium' brand (and their ability to overcharge for everything). Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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InitialDave posted:In EVO's initial review of the M235i (I think it was the 235?), they were driving a US-spec car, and apparently BMW made a point of telling them they were driving one with a US-spec interior, and that the Euro/UK version would be better. I priced out a BMW M253i as I would like it and it clocked in over 50k. Fifty thousand US dollars for a 2 series BMW. Some people it would be worth it to them but man, that's a high premium for RWD and a straight six. How much are these things in Euro land?
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The M235i has a base price of $60k here. Edit: US base price is listed as $43k, to put it in perspective. InitialDave fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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InitialDave posted:In EVO's initial review of the M235i (I think it was the 235?), they were driving a US-spec car, and apparently BMW made a point of telling them they were driving one with a US-spec interior, and that the Euro/UK version would be better. I would like to see a direct comparison of the two cars, I find it hard to believe that in a world where the automakers are moving towards global platforms for everything it would be cost effective for BMW to produce a US only version of a car that will already be low volume. What would they do, put thinner pleather in it? HotCanadianChick posted:there's no way they'll sell cheap models like a 120d in North America. 320i is here for ~30k, I'm not sure where you can buy a BMW for much less than that. sanchez fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Jun 12, 2014 |
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I may have misunderstood originally, or got mixed up with different sources, but I've dug out the EVO article, and the comment they make is specific to interior trim in the sense of the little aluminium trim pieces used for finishing in the interior, not trim in the sense of the interior materials and construction generally. Looks like I'm wrong on that one.
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fknlo posted:Still gonna test drive one. I have a feeling the dealer mark ups are going to be nuts. Which is fine and dandy since I've been jonesing for the Morgan 3 Wheeler as of late. I'll probably do the same but I decided a while ago I'd rather get an F-Type Coupe. I'm I guess a bit less interested in tracking the car than the creature comforts.
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dissss posted:I think everyone (Koreans included) will start do de-contented, cheaper to produce versions of their cars for the US domestic market. sadnessboner posted:Isn't that already happening with Hyundai? I thought the confusing mess of cars Hyundai has in Australia is because we get both the US and Euro models. they've got a pair of cars in each class up to medium. The Hyundai Elantra GT sold in the USA is de-contented compared to the Hyundai i30 sold overseas. (Despite different names, they're the same car.) Things you can't get on the US-spec model at any price: * No LED Daytime Running Lights * No Xenon HID headlights * No adaptive front lighting (lights move as you take a curve) * No rear fog lamps * No chrome door handles; no door handle illumination * No electric folding mirrors * No active cruise control * No color HUD in the instrument cluster * No rain sensing wipers * No front/rear parking sensors None of those are deal breakers, but that's a significant list of little things you just can't get here in the States. Of course, the USA model comes with a 2.0L standard -- the biggest Euro petrol engine is a 1.6L -- and in Australia the 1.8L is standard with the 2.0L only appearing on the SR (sporty) model. Also, the USA gets the premium grille as standard, gets 16 inch alloys as standard, and includes XM Radio, which doesn't seem to be a thing outside of North America. It's just one car, but it's certainly de-contented compared to its overseas counterpart. I think a big part of that has to do with the role the Elantra GT plays in the American lineup, though. It's positioned as a more "sporty" and "fun" car than an Elantra Sedan -- with a bigger standard engine and other "sportier" bits -- and this is probably because of the perception of hatchbacks in the USA. Hatchbacks in the US are seen as a more quirky option, and are more popular with car enthusiasts. Whereas in Europe, hatchbacks are the bread-and-butter. Everyone drives them, so they need to scale across the entire buying lineup.
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BigBadBrewsta posted:Hatchbacks in the US are seen as a more quirky option, and are more popular with car enthusiasts. Whereas in Europe, hatchbacks are the bread-and-butter. Everyone drives them, so they need to scale across the entire buying lineup. I think this will start changing a bit as urban Americans continue to downsize their cars. Also I think that the culmination of this 20 year trend of SUVs -> CUVs -> Mini-CUVs will be a return to hatchbacks and wagons in the US. They just might not be the hot hatches and wagons that enthusiasts claim to crave. The Prius in all its forms is a hatchback. The Leaf is a hatchback. The Impreza hatchback sells like hotcakes in the PNW, and the Golf/GTI and Mini Cooper continue to be popular, and even the Jetta Sportwagen sells in decent numbers for being fairly niche (in the US). All of those are really popular in my area. I suppose it really depends on where you live though, because a whole shitload of big trucks and SUVs still get sold nationwide especially in suburban and rural regions.
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BigBadBrewsta posted:the premium grille  The what now?
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Kenshin posted:I'll probably do the same but I decided a while ago I'd rather get an F-Type Coupe. I'm I guess a bit less interested in tracking the car than the creature comforts. I'd be a lot more interested in the F-Type if the type-S wasn't $80k dollars. And yeah, tracking the car isn't my top priority either. I just want something unique and fun.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:
Outside of the US, there are different front grilles (fascia?) as options. In the US, we only get the "premium" grill, which is considered a higher trim option everywhere else. Seriously.
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Guinness posted:I think this will start changing a bit as urban Americans continue to downsize their cars. Also I think that the culmination of this 20 year trend of SUVs -> CUVs -> Mini-CUVs will be a return to hatchbacks and wagons in the US. They just might not be the hot hatches and wagons that enthusiasts claim to crave. Once people get used to high step in/out they won't go back, especially people over 40. Also there is demand due to with visibility when you are surrounded by Chevy Tahoe's and bro-trucks at every light. I speak for my mid 60's parents who have a Murano/Escape haul a doggie around and have no interest in going back to mid-size sedans or a lowish wagon. Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jun 12, 2014 |
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Keyser S0ze posted:Once people get used to high step in/out they won't go back, especially people over 40. yeah, my other half is the same height as me almost (just under 6'), and she hates getting down into cars. That's why we're probably going to get a CX-5 or similar when we get a car in a few months. We rented one out in Seattle and both really liked it, and though I can come up with a dozen or more different cars I would rather have, a fuel efficient AWD CUV that you don't step down into makes everyone happy. And then I can buy something low and annoying for myself and won't have to worry about her cursing it every time she has to drive it or in it.
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It's official. Tesla has open sourced all of their patents. http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you
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Jesus Christ. An "All our base" reference in 2014.
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fknlo posted:I'd be a lot more interested in the F-Type if the type-S wasn't $80k dollars. And yeah, tracking the car isn't my top priority either. I just want something unique and fun. I don't know why but I've been more interested in the middle-tier model with the 380hp Supercharged V6 than the V8. Probably due to the cost difference. (also it's gonna be a lot more likely that they will have the V6 versions up for lease than the V8)
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Kenshin posted:I don't know why but I've been more interested in the middle-tier model with the 380hp Supercharged V6 than the V8. $77k before any options. That's the one I'd want as well.
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Guinness posted:I think this will start changing a bit as urban Americans continue to downsize their cars. Also I think that the culmination of this 20 year trend of SUVs -> CUVs -> Mini-CUVs will be a return to hatchbacks and wagons in the US. They just might not be the hot hatches and wagons that enthusiasts claim to crave. CUVs are the return of the hatchback in the US. It's pretty apparent that taking a hatchback, lifting it two inches, then throwing on some body cladding will dramatically increase sales. Just look at the Subaru XV Crosstrek: it's selling twice as fast as the Impreza hatchback is. And it is on track to become Subaru's third best selling vehicle, after the Outback (jacked up Legacy wagon) and Forester.
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The 2015 Mustang configurator is up. Performance pack EcoBoost with the 3.55 rear end is 28k. GTs start at 32. No more Grabber Blue though 
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Propaganda Bob posted:The 2015 Mustang configurator is up. Performance pack EcoBoost with the 3.55 rear end is 28k. GTs start at 32. No more Grabber Blue though I was just playing around on this. The Recaros look nice, but $1600 seems a bit steep for either cloth (base Ecoboost) or leather (premium Ecoboost). Fully kitted out GT vert hits $49.3k 
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Something about a 4-banger Mustang just seems so... Contrary to the point. I'll have to test one for myself.
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Propaganda Bob posted:The 2015 Mustang configurator is up. Performance pack EcoBoost with the 3.55 rear end is 28k. GTs start at 32. No more Grabber Blue though But you can get it in Jag Green. loving sold. KillHour fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jun 13, 2014 |
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KillHour posted:But you can get it in Jag Green. loving sold.
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Yeah, it's more like a dark gun metal grey with a dark green tint/pearl to it
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Q_res posted:Yeah, it's more like a dark gun metal grey with a dark green tint/pearl to it Uh. Yes please.   e: thanks for those links, that thing is beautiful. Mental Hospitality fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jun 13, 2014 |
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SouthLAnd posted:Uh. Yes please. and http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/guard-2015-mustang-1350.html
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SouthLAnd posted:Uh. Yes please. Is it me or does the back end have something very Porsche-like going on. I don't mean in the sense of "looks like x crossed with y" but more of, this Mustang is closer to proper sports car proportions than pervious generations.
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