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Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer

As depressing as this is it makes me smile that Bob's Burgers was one of the only shows to grow.

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X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

xeria posted:

I finished watching season 1 of 24 last night, and it...kind of felt boring? I didn't really care at all about what happened with Jack's wife, and everyone felt like they had exactly two emotions: :geno: and :qq:. And then Jack's third emotion, :tizzy:.

Should I bother watching more if the first season didn't really grab me?

I actually like the first season, but I think it's probably the most boring season even if it's good. A lot of times it doesn't have the ridiculousness that I love in 24. And if I were ranking the eight seasons I'd probably rank it in the bottom half, maybe with only seasons four and six below it.

Twee as Fuck
Nov 13, 2012

by Lowtax
Anyone watched Deadbeat? It came out on Hulu back in April. It stars Tyler Labine (Tucker & Dale vs Evil, Reaper) and the blurb makes it sounds nowhere near as good and funny as it is:

quote:

The series follows Kevin Pacalioglu, a slacker medium for hire, who attempts to solve various ghosts' unresolved problems, so that they can move on to a final resting place, occasionally with the help of his best friend and drug dealer, Roofie

It's a vehicule for Labine to do what he does best, and I thought it was really great. It's kind of The Dude from Big Lebowski decided to become a Ghostbuster, and it really works thanks to the casting. It's also been renewed and they are working on the second season.

If it had come out on Netflix instead of Hulu you'd probably hear a lot more about it

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


xeria posted:

I finished watching season 1 of 24 last night, and it...kind of felt boring? I didn't really care at all about what happened with Jack's wife, and everyone felt like they had exactly two emotions: :geno: and :qq:. And then Jack's third emotion, :tizzy:.

Should I bother watching more if the first season didn't really grab me?

You really shouldn't watch past episode 12 either way, it takes a distinct nosedive after that point.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

xeria posted:

I finished watching season 1 of 24 last night, and it...kind of felt boring? I didn't really care at all about what happened with Jack's wife, and everyone felt like they had exactly two emotions: :geno: and :qq:. And then Jack's third emotion, :tizzy:.

Should I bother watching more if the first season didn't really grab me?

No, it never shows any more than it does in the first season. It just ramps the elements up to 11.

VorpalBunny
May 1, 2009

Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog

...of SCIENCE! posted:

Also, the most :effort: episode title of all time:



This just reminded me of the Rick & Morty episode with the sexbot, and Morty's monster son, and how depressing and gross and heartfelt the whole thing was...man, I can't wait for that show to come back!

...of SCIENCE!
Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

VorpalBunny posted:

This just reminded me of the Rick & Morty episode with the sexbot, and Morty's monster son, and how depressing and gross and heartfelt the whole thing was...man, I can't wait for that show to come back!

"...and the sex robot for my grandson."

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax

Rarity posted:

No, it never shows any more than it does in the first season. It just ramps the elements up to 11.

Going to 11 is what differentiates 24 from all the boring action-adventure shows that followed. 24 isn't about a government agent trying to save the day, its about a violent sociopath being given carte blanche to maim, torture and kill anyone and everyone in pursuit of slightly more dangerous sociopaths. The bloody swaths of destruction Jack cuts across downtown LA/New York/London are second to none. Have the Agents of SHIELD ever murdered a person's family to force a confession from a witness? Has Carrie Matheson ever tortured an injured woman while evading unmanned aerial drone strikes in a Ford Focus? Did Arrow from the CW show Arrow ever strangle his best friend because she tried to stop him from assassinating a foreign head of state?

Didn't think so :colbert:

Jack Bauer is the only person who has done those things because he is the only true American badass on television. And that's why we love him.

Irish Joe fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jun 13, 2014

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

I'm gonna go ahead and agree with Irish Joe on this one.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Good thing we have a Supreme Court Justice who weighs court decisions based on what a patriot Jack Bauer is.

...of SCIENCE!
Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

GreenNight posted:

Good thing we have a Supreme Court Justice who weighs court decisions based on what a patriot Jack Bauer is.

Politicians reminisce about Mayberry as if it were a real place and time we could aspire to return to and not a Desilu backlot.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

...of SCIENCE! posted:

Politicians reminisce about Mayberry as if it were a real place and time we could aspire to return to and not a Desilu backlot.

Like how the best thing about Mayberry was that there was no colors?

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Season 1 had Dennis Hopper and Zeljko Ivanek playing evil Serbian para military dudes with ridiculous accents. And Jack's wife had amnesia for 3 hours and recovered. I like how season 1's story was tame compared to later ones.

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax

GreenNight posted:

Like how the best thing about Mayberry was that there was no colors?

They added colors after the fifth season, but nobody talks about them because the show really went downhill after they showed up.

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

PLEASE let this be a normal field trip...

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


I know it wasn't that well received but the USA show Sirens got picked up for a second season.

I liked it though.

bagrada
Aug 4, 2007

The Demogorgon is tired of your silly human bickering!

...of SCIENCE! posted:


Also, the most :effort: episode title of all time:



I hope they did an Always Sunny in Philadelphia style intro for that.

Terry's friend: "I'll never date a robot!"
Cue music, title screen: "TERRY'S FRIEND DATES A ROBOT"

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

CaptainHollywood posted:

Maybe I should get back to watching Walking Dead - the producers seem to know where it's all headed. I stopped halfway last season.

http://www.avclub.com/article/walking-dead-could-go-long-12-seasons-205754

The article reads like an Onion article.

quote:

Still, Alpert says they’re not really thinking five seasons ahead right now; they’re actually thinking seven seasons ahead. “We know where season 11 and 12… we have benchmarks and milestones for those seasons if we’re lucky enough to get there,” Alpert said of these important future scenes they already have mapped out, such as “Zombie Attack” and “Discussion of Zombie Attack.”

Haven't really kept up with the show, though I caught that vaunted episode this season with the two kids and my impression of the show is that Walking Dead a pit where vapid characters meets the most grim dark porn settings and plots imaginable. Anyone who recommends the show to me is suspect and immediately crossed off the people I listen to about TV list.

EDIT: Also 24 is poo poo and to be avoided. Don't jump on that grenade.

Shageletic fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jun 13, 2014

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Walking Dead is more fun and wacky than anything on USA. It looks grimdark but the show producers are just having fun coming up with new death setpieces.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Shageletic posted:

The article reads like an Onion article.

Well considering the site, that's pretty appropriate.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Deadpool posted:

Well considering the site, that's pretty appropriate.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ONION AV CLUB NEVER HEARD OF IT

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Shageletic posted:

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ONION AV CLUB NEVER HEARD OF IT

Well you see, it's a site started by The Onion that somehow became a popular review site even though it's not very good at all. That's the joke. Everything about it is a parody that nobody gets.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

Deadpool posted:

Well you see, it's a site started by The Onion that somehow became a popular review site even though it's not very good at all. That's the joke. Everything about it is a parody that nobody gets.

AV Club is generally pretty good. I think there is one writer there that I don't like reading, but the site as a whole is fine. They're quick, I usually agree with their reviews, and they can be pretty funny sometimes. What's your issue with it?

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

The reviews are usually just recaps from what I've seen. And the Todd VanderWiff guy takes Louie way too seriously. I read one review where he spent half of it talking about fighting with his own wife or something. Blargh.

Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.
O'Neal is the only guy there who is consistently funny and they don't let him review poo poo.

Truly a shameful site.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

JohnSherman posted:

AV Club is generally pretty good. I think there is one writer there that I don't like reading, but the site as a whole is fine. They're quick, I usually agree with their reviews, and they can be pretty funny sometimes. What's your issue with it?

From what I've been exposed to from there it seems to just be full of blowhards that take TV way too seriously and over-analyze everything to a ridiculous degree. I understand that's how some people watch TV and I know there's a lot of people around here that do exactly the same thing, but I just personally can't get into that kind of thing. I also don't think it's the worst thing in the world, I just like to tease those that think the AVClub is the be-all end-all of TV review. There are people that think if it gets an A+ on that site that means without dispute it's one of the best episodes of TV ever created.

Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.

Deadpool posted:

From what I've been exposed to from there it seems to just be full of blowhards that take TV way too seriously and over-analyze everything to a ridiculous degree. I understand that's how some people watch TV and I know there's a lot of people around here that do exactly the same thing, but I just personally can't get into that kind of thing. I also don't think it's the worst thing in the world, I just like to tease those that think the AVClub is the be-all end-all of TV review.

To be fair, there are definitely a ton of shows that invite the viewer to do the level of analysis AV Club writers like to engage in. That doesn't apply to, say, Adventure Time, but if I was paid to do it you bet your rear end I'd churn out a weekly essay about whatever I was assigned.

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax
I don't think I've ever read a full AV review. At most I'll look at the letter grade and scan the stray observations. Oh, and occasionally I'll ctrl-f a review of a show I haven't seen to find out if a character I like was in an episode.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

AV Club used to have really good interviews, but those seem to have all dried up.

Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.

FactsAreUseless posted:

AV Club used to have really good interviews, but those seem to have all dried up.

It's not really TV-related, but I love the Hatesong feature.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
I generally quite enjoy AV Club, and Todd VanDerWerff has a lot of good observations when he's not off on one insane tangent or another. But I did laugh pretty hard when a How I Met Your Mother review opened with this:

quote:

Weddings make such reliable sitcom fodder because at weddings, the minutiae of etiquette and custom collides head-on with the chaotic maelstrom of human emotion and the cultural power of a rite of passage.

Random Roles is probably their best regular section.

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

It's really dependent on the reviewer, and they can be pretty long-winded and up their own asses sometimes. The community is insufferable also, the comments are just a mess of inside jokes referencing each other. I'd rather they didn't even assign letter grades as a large portion of the comments is just complaining about whether that episode deserves that grade or not, and blah blah why is a more critically regarded show rated lower, etc. The less popular shows actually have decent discussion because they're not so high trafficked. The Six Feet Under reviews are really well done if you're into the whole thematic analysis thing.

hope and vaseline fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jun 13, 2014

DominoDancing
Apr 26, 2008

Each morning after Sunblest
Feel the benefit
Mental arithmetic

Lumberjack Bonanza posted:

It's not really TV-related, but I love the Hatesong feature.

I actually think that's the worst feature they've got. There's never any discussion going on. It's just interviewer and interviewee smugly agreeing that random song X (usually a particularly easy target) "sure does suck, eh"? It's neither funny nor insightful. Ever.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Deadpool posted:

There are people that think if it gets an A+ on that site that means without dispute it's one of the best episodes of TV ever created.

They're so self important that they don't give A+ reviews for new episodes of TV shows. An A is the highest they'll go.

smg77
Apr 27, 2007

Mu Zeta posted:

The reviews are usually just recaps from what I've seen. And the Todd VanderWiff guy takes Louie way too seriously. I read one review where he spent half of it talking about fighting with his own wife or something. Blargh.

I usually like Todd's reviews but that one was just cringeworthy.

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012
LUFTHANSA YOU FUCKING DICKWEASEL
Is the Luther thread gone?

Dead Snoopy
Mar 23, 2005

xeria posted:

I finished watching season 1 of 24 last night, and it...kind of felt boring? I didn't really care at all about what happened with Jack's wife, and everyone felt like they had exactly two emotions: :geno: and :qq:. And then Jack's third emotion, :tizzy:.

Should I bother watching more if the first season didn't really grab me?


Irish Joe posted:

Going to 11 is what differentiates 24 from all the boring action-adventure shows that followed. 24 isn't about a government agent trying to save the day, its about a violent sociopath being given carte blanche to maim, torture and kill anyone and everyone in pursuit of slightly more dangerous sociopaths. The bloody swaths of destruction Jack cuts across downtown LA/New York/London are second to none. Have the Agents of SHIELD ever murdered a person's family to force a confession from a witness? Has Carrie Matheson ever tortured an injured woman while evading unmanned aerial drone strikes in a Ford Focus? Did Arrow from the CW show Arrow ever strangle his best friend because she tried to stop him from assassinating a foreign head of state?

Didn't think so :colbert:

Jack Bauer is the only person who has done those things because he is the only true American badass on television. And that's why we love him.

There is this dude from The Shield called Vic Mackie and he makes Jack Bauer look like a pussy.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Jack Bauer killed like 3 presidents. And his own dad.

hcreight
Mar 19, 2007

My name is Oliver Queen...
Didn't steal from no money train though.

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...of SCIENCE!
Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
The AV Club used to be pretty good but then they did a bunch of cutbacks and tried to be another lovely Buzzfeed-come-lately and all the actual talent was either let go or left for greener pastures. Now it's either boring recaps or people getting way too worked up over kids cartoons or no effort "lol this lovely thing is soooo lovely you guys! :buddy:" bandwagoning.

If you're like me and you loved the old My Year/World of Flops column, Nathan Rabin has a column at The Dissolve called Forgotbusters where he talks about movies that were the top-grossing films of their year yet failed to leave any lasting imprint on pop culture. It's pretty rad.

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