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BobHoward posted:Yes, the 920 is still a useful CPU, but so is a Core 2. Yeah. Nehalem was OK, but I really think it's worth upgrading from. Sandy is a different story, and seriously cut down on power consumption compared to Nehalem. Power consumption/heat/noise alone would make me want to get Haswell if I had Nehalem still, let alone flat out the better performance. Edit: with the loving exception of a 980X or 990X. They were just badass as hell, and if I had one I'd be pushing that thing for years to come, in the same way someone with Sandy-E or Ivy-E no doubt will also do. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jun 17, 2014 |
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Its a really interesting time we live in considering the processing power of procs isn't really falling that much with respect to apps yet their prices fall considerably with time so you end up flooding the market with totally useable hardware for a fraction of the cost. Probably undercutting the new low end. I mean I'd rather have more cores and more processing power by buying used high end last gen hardware than new low end hardware but thats just me.
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Jun 17, 2014 18:23
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BobHoward posted:I'm pretty sure you didn't do much legwork making sure your post was factual here because the first benchmarking site I pulled up (Anandtech's "Bench") shows a 4790 faster than a 920 by a ratio greater than 2x in some of the single thread CPU tests. Granted, there's not a lot of tests from 2008 that AT still runs on modern CPUs, but still. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7189/choosing-a-gaming-cpu-september-2013
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It reads like some of you get really hung up on clock rate with regards to measuring progress.
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Jun 17, 2014 18:44
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Its pretty natural I guess. Clock rate has been hitting a wall for sure. But clock for clock is just as important of course. I'll save the car analogies but there are plenty
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go3 posted:It reads like some of you get really hung up on clock rate with regards to measuring progress. It reads to me like benchmarks show less than 10% difference (for single video cards) between a stock clocked 920 and a 4770K in games. Guess which one overclocks well. DC might be the first worthwhile upgrade to the 920 simply because of how well DC overclocks, not because of stock clock, the surrounding benefits (better power consumption, better chipset, faster SATA, etc) are just now outweighing the smaller performance gain of the CPU itself.
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An i7-920 system is using double the power of a Haswell i7 system, though. Overclocked, that can easily jump to 4x the power. And that article leaves out one of the most important CPU-dependent gaming metrics: minimum framerate. If you follow articles that measure 99th percentile frame times/minimum FPS (such as on Tech Report), an i7-920 is the kind of chip an FX-8350 could compare favorably against. It's not "bad," in the sense of being unplayable, but there's much stuttering-type badness than a Haswell chip just would not have, and that's not reflected in average framerates.
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The number of games you're going to encounter that are regularly bottlenecked by CPU performance could be counted on maybe 2 hands
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deimos posted:It reads to me like benchmarks show less than 10% difference (for single video cards) between a stock clocked 920 and a 4770K in games. Guess which one overclocks well. Yup, that's essentially what I was trying to say.  go3 posted:The number of games you're going to encounter that are regularly bottlenecked by CPU performance could be counted on maybe 2 hands Also this.
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go3 posted:The number of games you're going to encounter that are regularly bottlenecked by CPU performance could be counted on maybe 2 hands Unfortunately Kerbal Space Program is one of them 
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Jun 17, 2014 22:15
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"Devil's canyon" reminds me far too much of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21geIuzTaU0
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FormatAmerica posted:Unfortunately Kerbal Space Program is one of them Emulation, too.
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Jun 18, 2014 05:48
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The first stores are starting to list it as in stock here. Whether it is truly shipping or they just are trying to catch preorders is anyones guess right now.
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Jun 18, 2014 19:26
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Its happening http://www.hardwareversand.de/en/So...066acd278b9e861
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Yup, they had listed it as available on the 23rd a few days ago when I ordered. I haven't received a shipping confirmation yet.
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Got my z97 Vii Gene installed and holy crap, full PWM support is amazing. My noctua fans are idling along at 180rpm now. They wouldn't go below 600rpm on my old z77 board. Now TD needs to ship my 4790k. edit: another site with a 4790k in stock http://www.atelco.de/articledetail.jsps?ref=13&pvid=4q8lfj50c_hwj5sao0&agid=2850&aid=170309 edit2: http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo...%3Faid%3D170309 Someone call and see if its legit Don Lapre fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 19:40
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Is anyone really surprised that modern video games, designed to reach the largest market by running on consoles and as many existing PCs as possible, are not pushing newest generation processors to the limit?
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canyoneer posted:Is anyone really surprised that modern video games, designed to reach the largest market by running on consoles and as many existing PCs as possible, are not pushing newest generation processors to the limit? Pretty sure no one in this thread is, why the question?
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canyoneer posted:Is anyone really surprised that modern video games, designed to reach the largest market by running on consoles and as many existing PCs as possible, are not pushing newest generation processors to the limit? It turns out programming for lots of cores is difficult. Don Lapre fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 22:33
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Don Lapre posted:It turns out programming for lots of cores is difficult. Clearly chrome has no problem with that... 
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deimos posted:Clearly chrome has no problem with that... Multiprocess vs multithread.
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deimos posted:Clearly chrome has no problem with that... I have a theory that Chrome does this to obfuscate how hideously bloated its memory consumption has become. Remember back when Firefox would eat upwards of 2.5GB if you had multiple tabs open for too long, and how it caused everyone to drop the browser like a hot rock when Chrome launched? Yeah.
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But you can just use memory mapping to hide your memory usage.
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Da Mott Man posted:Multiprocess vs multithread.
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Multiprocess has it's benefits if you don't have inter process data. Like tabs in a browser. Unrelated but I'm reading up on haswell and it seems that the 4770/4790 both have just 16 pcie lanes. I know that most GPUs don't need all 16 rev3 lanes but is this going to be an issue moving forward what with NVMe and beefier GPUs?
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Shaocaholica posted:Multiprocess has it's benefits if you don't have inter process data. Like tabs in a browser. We just need to move the Intel socket to the center of the GPU
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Are there any GPUs on the horizon that use more than 16 PCIe lanes?Don Lapre posted:Got my z97 Vii Gene installed and holy crap, full PWM support is amazing. 
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Cardboard Box A posted:Are there any GPUs on the horizon that use more than 16 PCIe lanes? To plug into what? Is there a 32 lane pci-e slot?
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Don Lapre posted:To plug into what? Is there a 32 lane pci-e slot?
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Cardboard Box A posted:Holy crap that board is $210. Is it worth it for PWM support and that sweet red and black color scheme? Also what is that giant L-shaped thing surrounding the CPU? Heatsink for the voltage regulators.
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Cardboard Box A posted:Are there any GPUs on the horizon that use more than 16 PCIe lanes? The board also has really nice audio, SATA Express/m.2 support, and, as a ROG board, gives access to a number of Asus's silly specialized utilities and whatnot. Silly stuff like client-side network packet prioritization, odd stuff like a game overlay that turns positional audio data into a sonar map for your FPS-cheating needs, and nicely-skinned run-of-the-mill stuff like RAMdisk software. It's a luxury and overclocking board. But in that category, it's one of the more affordable models and it does a pretty good job of justifying its price to enthusiasts.
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I am anxiously awaiting the mITX Z97 version of the VII that they announced earlier in the month. The miniature sound card is pretty sick. 
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Don Lapre posted:Really hoping amazon's june 20 release date is accurate. No dice.
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Cardboard Box A posted:Are there any GPUs on the horizon that use more than 16 PCIe lanes? I wasn't convinced before whether that series was worth the money (over seemingly similar ~$150+ boards) but recently I've been swayed.
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Oh, also the L-shaped thing is the VRM heatsink.
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Ever since the Maximus IV GENE-Z, I've felt that the mATX ROG boards have offered some of the best combination of high-end quality components, features, and price. At ~$200 they're still on the high end of cost, but it's really not that much more than good mid-range ATX boards, and for the people who really don't need all the expansion slots of an ATX board (which is most of them), the high-end features make it worthwhile. I did a build for someone with that GENE-Z, and at the time it was one of the cheapest boards with Intel NIC which is something I always prefer to use (I previously just tended to throw in a PCI/PCIe NIC). I'm actually going to be getting the Maximus VII GENE myself, as soon as Micro Center get the 4790K in stock. When bought as a CPU/MB combo, the board will cost "only" $180, which I find to be very reasonable for what you get.
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The Asus ROG Maximus VII HERO is only $10 more than the GENE, and unless you really need the smaller form factor I think you get a better value. Edit: All that stuff about audio is wrong because I am retarded and didn't notice it uses a dedicated soundcard. I do still think the HERO is a better deal because the difference is $10 and you get some useful connectors, but if you actually value the smaller form factor the GENE is a great board. Alereon fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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Alereon posted:The Asus ROG Maximus VII HERO is only $10 more than the GENE, and unless you really need the smaller form factor I think you get a better value. It would be interesting to see benchmarks comparing the audio performance of the GENE and the HERO, I'm thinking the GENE would have noticeably worse EMI because of the limited board space to route the audio traces away from noises sources. It doesn't appear to have a physically isolated board area like on the HERO, but they may have been able to come close via efficient routing. The gene has a separate sound card it comes with. The sound chipset isn't even on the board. 
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The hero is what I want pretty badly.
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Don Lapre posted:The gene has a separate sound card it comes with. The sound chipset isn't even on the board.
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