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| Spurs |
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165 | 32.93% |
| Thunder |
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76 | 15.17% |
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54 | 10.78% |
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50 | 9.98% |
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23 | 4.59% |
| Lakers |
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133 | 26.55% |
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PantsFreeZone posted:Tas Melas of the Starters just mentioned that Jonas Valanciunas is on the list of big men to work with Hakeem this offseason. I feel like "worked out with Hakeem" has reached the level of "put on 15 pounds of muscle" or "in the best shape of his life" in this-guy-is-gonna-take-a-big-step-I-mean-it offseason phrases. e: With the caveat that working out with Hakeem actually seems to work if you happen to already be Lebron or someone else good. Jack's Flow posted:The Cavs hiring Blatt would mean they are smart and will not hire Vinny del Negro. What the hell, Cleveland?! There's nothing saying they won't fire him after a couple more losing seasons that reasonable people would blame on their roster and drafting being bad. Then hire Mike Brown again. Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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Jun 19, 2014 21:59
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PantsFreeZone posted:
Irving is a better slasher and shooter than Wade without the baggage of "when will his knees finally explode for good." Irving is not a good defender, but Wade is at least as bad right now. Love is a better rebounder and shooter than Bosh. Bosh is a better defender than Love. Even in a best case scenario for Dwyane Wade next season, I think this is a wash. Edit: Holy poo poo, Embiid is getting foot surgery for a stress fracture apparently. God I hope the Cavs just take Wiggins. Icy Penguigo fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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Jun 19, 2014 22:01
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Neither Love nor Irving plays any defense. Neither shoots as efficiently as Bosh nor Wade. And that isn't even considering the ramifications of chemistry after playing together for 4 years, all ending in the Finals.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:05
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Icy Penguigo posted:Irving is a better slasher and shooter than Wade without the baggage of "when will his knees finally explode for good." Irving is not a good defender, but Wade is at least as bad right now. Embiid is going to become Sam Bowie isn't he? Back issues and foot issues for a big man is really bad news.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:17
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Icy Penguigo posted:Irving is a better slasher and shooter than Wade without the baggage of "when will his knees finally explode for good." Kyrie Irving isn't exactly a model of health, either. And what the hell, better shooter? Wade's rookie year is the only season that he's had a worse shooting year than Kyrie's best. And with similar or higher usage, too.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:17
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Love is a better three point shooter than Bosh, but it's not that big of a difference, whereas Bosh is a much better shooter everywhere else on the floor. He is a better rebounder than Bosh, that is really the only area where I'm comfortable saying Love is better than Bosh.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:18
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IcePhoenix posted:Kyrie Irving isn't exactly a model of health, either. And what the hell, better shooter? Wade's rookie year is the only season that he's had a worse shooting year than Kyrie's best. And with similar or higher usage, too. I meant he's a better shooter from 3 but I'll just shut up about the whole thing now.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:23
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I've head my head up the England/Uruguay match for the last couple hours and just heard about the Love/Martin/Barrea/13th pick to warriors for Thompson/Lee. As a Warriors fan, Love for Thompson/Lee is something i've been advocating since it became apparent Love wanted out. Getting the 13th pick and Barrea are just really nice bonuses. Holy poo poo, please happen.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:23
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Bashez posted:That was hilarious. At first it looks like a reasonable deal and then all of a sudden Philly is committing highway robbery. Please stop reminding me, it hurts.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:24
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It might end up being Nerlens Noel and Julius Randle for Jrue Holliday.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:26
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Icy Penguigo posted:I meant he's a better shooter from 3 but I'll just shut up about the whole thing now. You're right, though. I'm sure Irving and Love would look a lot better playing next to Lebron.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:35
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Rick posted:Love is a better three point shooter than Bosh, but it's not that big of a difference, whereas Bosh is a much better shooter everywhere else on the floor. He is a better rebounder than Bosh, that is really the only area where I'm comfortable saying Love is better than Bosh. It's a pretty big difference, especially when you consider how many more he shoots and the type of looks he gets versus the type of looks Bosh gets. And he's not like a little bit better as a rebounder, he is one of the 5 or so best rebounders in all of basketball. Love's a lot better than Bosh and that isn't a knock on Bosh in the slightest. IcePhoenix posted:Kyrie Irving isn't exactly a model of health, either. And what the hell, better shooter? Wade's rookie year is the only season that he's had a worse shooting year than Kyrie's best. And with similar or higher usage, too. He's much much better at the rim, but Irving has a way better jumper. But yeah lol at calling Wade's health a ticking time bomb when you're comparing him to Kyrie loving Irving. The last time Kyrie made it through a season healthy he was in loving high school MourningView fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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Jun 19, 2014 22:42
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Rick posted:Love is a better three point shooter than Bosh, but it's not that big of a difference It's a pretty big difference, especially since Love shots 3's like twice as much as Bosh did this year and with how and when each of them shoot them. e: Well I didn't refresh and MourningView pretty much already said the exact same thing haha
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Jun 19, 2014 22:47
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PantsFreeZone posted:Neither shoots as efficiently as Bosh nor Wade. Neither Love nor Irving play with LeBron James Edit: this is all incredibly stupid because LeBron isn't going to Cleveland jfc
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Jun 19, 2014 22:50
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Two Tone Shoes posted:Please stop reminding me, it hurts. Hey, at least we also got Pierre Jackson out of it! Right? ...right guys?  Speaking of Pierre, he is supposed to play in Summer League again! Gonna lead the Pels to the SL Championship. 
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Jun 19, 2014 22:54
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Love Curry Iggy Bogut and whoever would be really good
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Jun 19, 2014 22:55
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MourningView posted:He's much much better at the rim, but Irving has a way better jumper. This is probably a dumb comparison (because body types) but If Ricky Rubio shot the same percentage at the rim this year that Dwyane Wade did his FG% would have been over 46% instead of 38.1. I'll take the guy that can finish over the guy that can shoot. Especially if he can hit his free throws.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:56
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In 2015, Love will probably be a better player than Bosh, this shouldn't be a controversial statement at all and isn't at all a knock on Chris Bosh. I just know the GSW offer is Klay, Barnes and Lee for Love and some mix of Martin and JJ. I'd rather they get a year of Love and hope a real coach, maybe some success, and more money win out. On the plus side maybe I can get dirt cheap season tickets again. Also, Martins contact doesn't seem awful for a guy who is at least a low end starter. I don't see the big deal about wanting to get out of a MLE-type deal of SG with a 16.0 PER....
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Jun 19, 2014 22:57
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IcePhoenix posted:This is probably a dumb comparison (because body types) but It's not a binary thing, though. Teams can play off Rubio because they know he can't shoot and that takes away opportunities to drive.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:00
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It is interesting to see Cleveland fans jump wildly from hopefulness to crushing depression and I feel like basketball is the only sport where it happens
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Jun 19, 2014 23:06
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Kibner posted:Speaking of Pierre, he is supposed to play in Summer League again! Gonna lead the Pels to the SL Championship. They're actually going to sign him this year right?
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Jun 19, 2014 23:12
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euphronius posted:It might end up being Nerlens Noel and Julius Randle for Jrue Holliday. Do you want me to kill myself? Only a man hoping for suicide would remind me of this.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:14
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Declan MacManus posted:It is interesting to see Cleveland fans jump wildly from hopefulness to crushing depression and I feel like basketball is the only sport where it happens It's because they never reach hopefulness in any other sport, they know better than that.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:20
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No offense but you are delusional if you think the Cavs are the best long-term fit for Lebron. Best case scenario is what, they take Embiid and in a few years look like a slightly better version of this year's Rockets (and that's assuming they can get some good roleplayers on cheap contracts)? I'm sure Lebron can't wait to waste the remaining years of his athletic prime waiting on that. Why not just sign with Houston this offseason if that's the team he wants to play with?
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Jun 19, 2014 23:26
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chunkles posted:They're actually going to sign him this year right? Most likely. They have consistently said they view him as their draft pick for this year. Even as far back as before last season started, iirc.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:29
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The hot thing seems to be the reports for Klay Thompson being available for Kevin Love, while I'd hate to see Klay go, as long as it means David Lee is gone as well then I'm happy with it.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:39
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E2M2 posted:Love Curry Iggy Bogut and whoever would be really good Give Draymond more minutes.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:39
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morestuff posted:It's not a binary thing, though. Teams can play off Rubio because they know he can't shoot and that takes away opportunities to drive. No but he's really bad at the rim. Like 47% bad. He got better as the season went on, sort of, but even with a busted jumper he only needed to be league average-ish to be really effective.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:40
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Captain Tolerable posted:The hot thing seems to be the reports for Klay Thompson being available for Kevin Love, while I'd hate to see Klay go, as long as it means David Lee is gone as well then I'm happy with it. It's pretty funny listening to Tolbert and whoever that shitlord he has with him on the air saying the trade would be bad. Klay Thompson is hilariously overrated in the bay area and Love is a top ten player in the league. Making the trade will make us a better, deeper team.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:50
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Sheriff posted:No offense but you are delusional if you think the Cavs are the best long-term fit for Lebron. Best case scenario is what, they take Embiid and in a few years look like a slightly better version of this year's Rockets (and that's assuming they can get some good roleplayers on cheap contracts)? I'm sure Lebron can't wait to waste the remaining years of his athletic prime waiting on that. Why not just sign with Houston this offseason if that's the team he wants to play with? I think Houston might be the best place for LeBron to sign this summer. Spacebump fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Jun 20, 2014 00:01
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Sheriff posted:No offense but you are delusional if you think the Cavs are the best long-term fit for Lebron. Best case scenario is what, they take Embiid and in a few years look like a slightly better version of this year's Rockets (and that's assuming they can get some good roleplayers on cheap contracts)? I'm sure Lebron can't wait to waste the remaining years of his athletic prime waiting on that. Why not just sign with Houston this offseason if that's the team he wants to play with? I know what you are saying, but LeBron, Harden, Dwight, Handsome Parsons and the flotsam of the Rockets bench would probably win the next 2 or 3 titles. And, even as a Miami fan, I would love to see that team destroy the West while conquering Texas.
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Jun 20, 2014 00:01
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Would be looking forward to the eventual "Harden betrayed Durant" poo poo from sportswriters if Lebron joins the Rockets and they play the Thunder.
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Jun 20, 2014 00:06
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PantsFreeZone posted:I know what you are saying, but LeBron, Harden, Dwight, Handsome Parsons and the flotsam of the Rockets bench would probably win the next 2 or 3 titles. Oh, I'm a Rockets fan so I don't disagree at all. I just think it's silly to think Lebron should sign with Cleveland and wait and hope their young guys develop and they get lucky in the draft when that team basically already exists.
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Jun 20, 2014 00:17
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Houston would be the best place to sign if you're willing to take a big rear end discount since they can make $19m in space without gutting the team. Since nobody will probably do that it's kind of irrelevant thoughCaptain Tolerable posted:Would be looking forward to the eventual "Harden betrayed Durant" poo poo from sportswriters if Lebron joins the Rockets and they play the Thunder. He already betrayed the hopes and dreams of Oklahoma by not giving Clay Bennett a giant discount on his contract
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Jun 20, 2014 00:21
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I thought Harden's side of the story was that they gave Harden an offer, Harden went to go think about it, and by the Presti already decided to pull the trigger on a trade
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Jun 20, 2014 00:23
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WhyteRyce posted:I thought Harden's side of the story was that they gave Harden an offer, Harden went to go think about it, and by the Presti already decided to pull the trigger on a trade I think it was basically this, but he had something ridiculous like a 2 hour deadline to say yes.
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Jun 20, 2014 00:28
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WhyteRyce posted:I thought Harden's side of the story was that they gave Harden an offer, Harden went to go think about it, and by the Presti already decided to pull the trigger on a trade I think both are technically true. The contract negotiations had been ongoing for months with various offers, the Thunder had made it clear that their last one was the final one, and they were ready to pull the trigger on a trade to Houston, and he had like an hour or something to finally make a decision on the final offer. He either didn't make a decision in time (Harden's version) or he turned down the final offer outright, and Presti pulled the trigger. E: My point being that the thing that he "only had an hour/2 hours/whatever" to think about it is a little misleading, since it makes it seem like Harden had no idea what the situation was until the clock was about to strike midnight, when the negotiations had been ongoing all summer and the Thunder had been clear they were prepared to trade him and were shopping around for various packages. Eventually it came to a point that it had to be a yes or a no, which I assume is a point most negotiations hit. Mandrel fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Jun 20, 2014 00:28
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The way I see it, OKC should have sought better value out of that trade elsewhere. Was there ever anyone else they talked to?
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Jun 20, 2014 00:28
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Kull the Conqueror posted:The way I see it, OKC should have sought better value out of that trade elsewhere. Was there ever anyone else they talked to? There's a few we know about. Off the top of my head, the big one Presti evidently wanted was the Beal pick (to take Beal) from the Wizards and somebody else, but Washington turned it down.
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Kull the Conqueror posted:The way I see it, OKC should have sought better value out of that trade elsewhere. Was there ever anyone else they talked to? They did. They asked for Beal and Thompson at the very least.
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