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A Real Happy Camper
Dec 11, 2007

These children have taught me how to believe.

leidend posted:

Basically a Sony Z2 with an inferior keyboard and useless screen dimensions. I don't know how Blackberry ever got popular, I always hated them even though it was my patriotic duty to own one.

They were the first to do push e-mail, and that was 99% of why they ever got big. Once smartphones actually started coming over to the west RIM was hosed unless they could adapt. As you can tell, they haven't.

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JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!

A Pinball Wizard posted:

I used to use PFS: Professional Write on my XT; it was the poo poo. I loved it so much I refused to stop using it until I upgraded to Win95 and gave in to the siren call of long filenames.

I still tell people Microsoft Works I had on Windows 95 was one of the best writing programs I had. It wasn't all that robust compared to a Word or Wordperfect, but I used to be able to sit and type out reports and essays and stories in it better than any program before or since.

I can't even tell you what the magic x-factor was. I know I was a huge fan of the unbroken pages of text that made keeping a line of thought going that much easier. When I upgraded to more modern word processors they got too WYSIWYG in their formatting so I'd be in the middle of something and get:

(end of page)
HUGE SPACE
(start of new page)

That older Works did some things I really liked: Draft mode so I could focus solely on word count and writing and not about font sizes and layout. Page breaks represented by a simple and unobtrusive small dotted line.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


JediTalentAgent posted:

That older Works did some things I really liked: Draft mode so I could focus solely on word count and writing and not about font sizes and layout. Page breaks represented by a simple and unobtrusive small dotted line.

Word still has the draft mode, the button is on the bottom right of the window, right next to the zoom bar.

I still prefer LyX, though.

DONT TOUCH THE PC
Jul 15, 2001

You should try it, it's a real buzz.

Captain Novolin posted:

They were the first to do push e-mail, and that was 99% of why they ever got big. Once smartphones actually started coming over to the west RIM was hosed unless they could adapt. As you can tell, they haven't.

The only place they still got some pull was The Netherlands until recently, but that was mostly due to a carrier offering insane prices to teens and they all got the cheapest model.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

leidend posted:

Basically a Sony Z2 with an inferior keyboard and useless screen dimensions. I don't know how Blackberry ever got popular, I always hated them even though it was my patriotic duty to own one.
As Novolin said, they were the first to offer push e-mail and had the first phone that could integrate with enterprise e-mail systems like Exchange and sync mail, calendar and contacts automatically. That gave them a huge head start in the corporate world and a reputation for being "the professional phone". :rolleyes:

Since then they've been resting on their laurels and not doing much innovation. Once ActiveSync and various remote-management solutions for Android/iPhone matured Blackberry lost the only advantage they had and they've been steadily losing market share. Blackberry 10 was supposed to be their big push back into the game but it flopped hard.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

There is also a small and vocal group that strongly prefers typing on hardware keyboards. I can agree that the BB keyboard is a surprisingly nice typing experience, but I wouldn't trade the screen space ... and not having to wait to get a version with a Norwegian layout helps a lot, too.

pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!
I prefer a hardware keyboard, but I'll take swype over a blackberry keyboard. If I could get the slide out keyboard from my old Intercept (weak rear end phone, but solid keyboard) on everything I'd love it.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
My wife was one of those Blackberry freaks. She had a work Blackberry and a personal Blackberry. She finally switched to Windows 8 and missed the hardware keyboard for all of about 10 minutes.

And what's with the screen sizes all over the place? How can any app display properly when you've got 3 different widely disparate aspect ratios. And now they're supposed to be integrating with the Amazon App store? That's going to be a fantastic user experience.

Antifreeze Head
Jun 6, 2005

It begins
Pillbug

Computer viking posted:

There is also a small and vocal group that strongly prefers typing on hardware keyboards. I can agree that the BB keyboard is a surprisingly nice typing experience, but I wouldn't trade the screen space ... and not having to wait to get a version with a Norwegian layout helps a lot, too.

I think for anyone that has to use it as a professional device, where spelling and whatnot actually matter, software keyboards are a tremendous hindrance. My typing speed is down considerably since I switched away from my BlackBerry and I would desperately like to go back to touch typing. poo poo, I think I was faster with a 12 key pad before T9 was a thing than I am with my Samsung.

Kirk Vikernes
Apr 26, 2004

Count Goatnackh

Related to the Phillips head talk.... I just had to tear down the carbs on one of my motorcycles due to a badly stuck float. I've worked on a few Japanese bikes and this one is no different. The Japanese have mastered making Phillips head screws out of an alloy that are slightly softer than cheddar cheese. The only safe way to get them out is an impact driver and a few light taps with a hammer. As usual, I'm replacing the hardware with Allen head screws.

Dogan
Aug 2, 2006

WebDog posted:

I was reminded of this bizarrely fascinating documentary : Gizmo, which appears to be an assortment of newsreels inventors trying to show off their inventions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaVwqraUKxA.

My favorite is at 18:37 - a clever trap designed to catch delinquent children

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan
I watched Gizmodo as a kid, on an ancient Betamax tape and deck my dad bought at a garage sale. I think he had Atomic Cafe in that format but I'm not sure.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Krispy Kareem posted:

And what's with the screen sizes all over the place? How can any app display properly when you've got 3 different widely disparate aspect ratios.

iPhone user?

Because Android has had this sort of thing handled pretty ok for a while. I haven't done any Android dev for about 3 years, but even back then they had ways to design your UI elements such that some parts would stretch while others stayed the same ratio. It's never really been a big issue in my experience, I think it's been the likes of Jobs and Gruber who have made multiple screen sizes sound like a loving Everest ascent.

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.
I mean, have you never used a desktop computer? It's not like we've never dealt with that before...

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Pham Nuwen posted:

iPhone user?

Because Android has had this sort of thing handled pretty ok for a while. I haven't done any Android dev for about 3 years, but even back then they had ways to design your UI elements such that some parts would stretch while others stayed the same ratio. It's never really been a big issue in my experience, I think it's been the likes of Jobs and Gruber who have made multiple screen sizes sound like a loving Everest ascent.

I use Android and iOS.

But those are varying resolution sizes of the same general aspect ratio. And even iOS in all it's design glory has to stick black bars on some applications when the ratios don't perfectly match up. Blackberry 10 has the Z line (full screen), Q (half screen), and now this thing (square screen). A developer could make an app that looked good on all three variants, but it's not like Blackberry has the most robust ecosystem. And their recent plan to use the Amazon app store means you'll be able to use apps that were never designed to work on those sized screens.

Keiya posted:

I mean, have you never used a desktop computer? It's not like we've never dealt with that before...

My Samsung netbook could not use Photoshop because some of the pop-up windows expanded beyond the screen border The application required a minimum screen height of 720px, but most netbooks had 600px. It's not a desktop, but still goes to show the problem with non-standard sizes.

Jonny Quest
Nov 11, 2004

Krispy Kareem posted:

And what's with the screen sizes all over the place? How can any app display properly when you've got 3 different widely disparate aspect ratios. And now they're supposed to be integrating with the Amazon App store? That's going to be a fantastic user experience.

It's really only two aspect ratios, though:

- 1:1 (Q5, Q10, Classic, Passport)
- 16:9 (Z5, Z10-ish, Z30)

Very easy to develop for.

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber

Dirk Squarejaw posted:

Related to the Phillips head talk.... I just had to tear down the carbs on one of my motorcycles due to a badly stuck float. I've worked on a few Japanese bikes and this one is no different. The Japanese have mastered making Phillips head screws out of an alloy that are slightly softer than cheddar cheese. The only safe way to get them out is an impact driver and a few light taps with a hammer. As usual, I'm replacing the hardware with Allen head screws.

Scroll up to the chat on JIS screws. You're using the wrong screwdriver.

Rather than finding the right screwdriver, most people muscle them out then swap for Allen-heads.

axolotl farmer
May 17, 2007

Now I'm going to sing the Perry Mason theme

Code Jockey posted:

You know what I just caught myself doing?

Using Win7 at work, I needed to edit a build file, and I was in a command prompt.

> edit buildfile.build

I miss MS-DOS EDIT more than I thought I did, apparently.



I used to use it all the time, it was great for those constant autoexec.bat / config.sys tweaks. Someone port it to Win7!

In the command prompt you can do notepad file.txt.

Or install a windows port of your favorite command line Linux text editor. nano.

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter
It's actually still in the 32-bit versions, so I can use edit on my fancy tablet.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

I personally prefer all-glass phones an tablets but I don't use it for work correspondence or something where my typing is more intense than some text messages. I think my opinion would be different if I had to type on it extensively.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Pham Nuwen posted:

iPhone user?

Because Android has had this sort of thing handled pretty ok for a while. I haven't done any Android dev for about 3 years, but even back then they had ways to design your UI elements such that some parts would stretch while others stayed the same ratio. It's never really been a big issue in my experience, I think it's been the likes of Jobs and Gruber who have made multiple screen sizes sound like a loving Everest ascent.

It's not getting them to work, it's getting them to work well, see all the Android tablet apps that are just the phone app stretched out, versus creating a separate, nicer interface for tablets. It's why apps that don't provide a specific tablet interface in Play get marked as "designed for phones."

And the only reason iPhone apps have black bars is because their developer never targeted a version of the SDK with support for the taller screen, and stretching them anyway could lead to broken layouts. AutoLayout exists, and can be nice, but isn't mandatory.

LethalGeek
Nov 4, 2009

I'm really sad hardware keyboards in phones seem to be obsolete :smith:

forbidden dialectics
Jul 26, 2005





I'd buy a reboot of the Droid 2/3/4 with modern hardware in a loving heartbeat. I don't give a gently caress how thick the thing is, hardware keyboards are just plain better.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

axolotl farmer posted:

In the command prompt you can do notepad file.txt.

Or install a windows port of your favorite command line Linux text editor. nano.

Oh yeah, I routinely call notepad from the command line. And nano rules, I use it in all my Linux boxes. :respek:

e. I'm torn on physical keyboards. I got so good with T9 on my old phones I could text message blazingly fast [not like "lol hi2u" but actual full words], then physical QWERTY keyboards with my Windows Mobile phones and G1. The move to a soft keyboard on my Galaxy S was painful, I adapted but I've never been able to type quite as fast/accurately, and I've used a lot of different soft keyboards.

Code Jockey has a new favorite as of 00:07 on Jun 21, 2014

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


The OG iPad was released in 2010. I had a tablet in Two-Thousand Mother loving Seven.

7" touch screen, WiFi, 80GB HDD, aluminum chassis. It ran Linux, came with Opera preloaded, and had a goddamn kickstand.

That's right, it was an Archos 704. :smug:



I was 18 at the time, so it was mostly used for watching porn.

Edit:

pienipple posted:

Yeah, I'd been using MP3 players for years when the ipod came out and it just switched people's questions from "Is that a minidisc player?" to "Why does your ipod look so weird?".

Used this for many years and still miss it:


I dropped it really hard and broke the screen, you cannot get a screen for this fucker for love or money as it seems that is always the part that breaks.

the 1.8" mechanical hard drive works fine, but it only played one album because I couldn't see to change it.

Now I have a Sandisk Sansa Clip and it does the job ok.

:hfive:

KillHour has a new favorite as of 00:33 on Jun 21, 2014

Inco
Apr 3, 2009

I have been working out! My modem is broken and my phone eats half the posts I try to make, including all the posts I've tried to make here. I'll try this one more time.
I had an Archos 605 after I decided to get rid of my Zen Jukebox Xtra, and it died within 2 months. I exchanged it for another one, which died in about 3 weeks. It was utter garbage, and the Zune I got after that lasted for 2 years before the battery stopped charging.

Aristophanes
Aug 11, 2012

Quickly, bring me a beaker of wine, so that I may wet my mind and say something clever!

LethalGeek posted:

I'm really sad hardware keyboards in phones seem to be obsolete :smith:

My second smartphone was one of these:



Typing on it was great, but unfortunately after a year or so it occasionally stopped receiving all messages until I took the sim card out, put it in another phone and let the stuck messages flood back in. Also, the really nice rubberised coating on the back peeled off and made the phone look really beat-up and budget.

I refused to let go of full keyboards for a while though, my next phones were



and



I've since got an iPhone 5S and given up on the physical keyboard entirely. With the autocorrect being (usually) very good I don't miss having a physical keyboard anymore.

Jehde
Apr 21, 2010

I only recently had to retire this beast:



I still instinctively try to pull out the keyboard on my new phone and then get a little sad that I can't.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free
Oh man so that laserdisc player I got over a month ago has just been sitting collecting dust since I didn't have an s-video cable to run to my projector for it [and gently caress composite video]. I finally ordered one, got it and hooked it up tonight and holy poo poo it works perfectly. I tossed in the copy of Jurassic Park I got with it, and it looks awesome [read: at 160" on the projector, it looks like a nice quality VHS tape]. The gigantic disc also sounds awesome when it spins up. I need to get another optical cable to run digital sound through it, but I am just so loving thrilled it works right.

Goodwill owns so much.

Also, holy poo poo Jurassic Park is on three discs, each with two sides!

e. this is the one I got, a Sony MDP-550. Not my photo, since mine is used [but in stellar physical shape]:



Also no remote, but I need to go back to Goodwill and dig in the remote pile to make sure it isn't there. It's like $20 from various websites, for a freaking remote! It does have a sweet jog dial though, which was cool in the 90s.

Code Jockey has a new favorite as of 09:20 on Jun 22, 2014

Wanamingo
Feb 22, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Wow, you only need to get up six times during the movie? Can't imagine why the laserdisc failed.

Ron Burgundy
Dec 24, 2005
This burrito is delicious, but it is filling.
Single disc single side players were the most basic models to be fair to the format.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

Ron Burgundy posted:

Single disc single side players were the most basic models to be fair to the format.

This one appears to be single disc double side, so, after a quick read of wikipedia, it looks like the laser switches sides. Neato! I'll only have to get up three times! That's considerably more convenient. :v:

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

Code Jockey posted:

This one appears to be single disc double side, so, after a quick read of wikipedia, it looks like the laser switches sides. Neato! I'll only have to get up three times! That's considerably more convenient. :v:

Looks like this inside:

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber

Mister Kingdom posted:

Looks like this inside:



Somehow that whole rotating mechanism was cheaper than just adding a second laser?

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter
In the mid 80's/early 90's? Most likely.

Slavik
May 10, 2009
Is there several seconds of delay with the movie paused while it switches sides?

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

Slavik posted:

Is there several seconds of delay with the movie paused while it switches sides?

Yep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRCnJJOdysM

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

I can still remember the exact spot in Star Trek 6 where I had to get up and flip the disc.

"Two pairs of gravity boots." :smug:

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

MA-Horus posted:

I can still remember the exact spot in Star Trek 6 where I had to get up and flip the disc.

"Two pairs of gravity boots." :smug:

Was that where the side ended or was that the spot where you thought "this movie is too loving stupid I'll just flip it to see if the end is any better?"

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Veotax
May 16, 2006


Jerry Cotton posted:

Was that where the side ended or was that the spot where you thought "this movie is too loving stupid I'll just flip it to see if the end is any better?"

The Undiscovered Country is one of the best films in the series. :colbert:

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