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Taff posted:Has Jerichos "Strange Kentucky People" video ever turned up? To my knowledge it's never surfaced, but Lance Storm swears it's real, and Jericho said on Twitter / Facebook a few years ago that a copy had been found. I would probably give a kidney to see it.
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Is the fact that Eric Young is fun to watch more an indictment of TNA or an endorsement of EY?
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Timby posted:To my knowledge it's never surfaced, but Lance Storm swears it's real, and Jericho said on Twitter / Facebook a few years ago that a copy had been found. I would probably give a kidney to see it. If the Jimmy Garvin GAB video can surface, anything can. The problem with TNA has never been the wrestlers. Bobby Roode, Bully Ray, Eric Young, they're fine workers. The problem has always been the toxic atmosphere, 2000 WCW creative, and horrific management.
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Luigi Thirty posted:If the Jimmy Garvin GAB video can surface, anything can. Here's a question: What's this?
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Jimmy Garvin shot a behind the scenes video at the 1988 Great American Bash that was full of kayfabe-breaking wrestlers messing around with Jimmy. It's noteable since it was still the 80s and kayfabe was still a big deal back then. This dude here reviews it: http://www.oowrestling.com/columns/circa/20040820c.shtml Here is part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMh2aBYKucM And part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1D6MW9uqsA It also has Arn's butthole.
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What are some of the better In Your House PPVs? I've seen Mind Games with the incredible Shawn Michaels/Mankind main event and a few really lovely In Your Houses.
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E-Diddy posted:Jimmy Garvin shot a behind the scenes video at the 1988 Great American Bash that was full of kayfabe-breaking wrestlers messing around with Jimmy. It's noteable since it was still the 80s and kayfabe was still a big deal back then. This dude here reviews it: Is the reviewer naive, or was he actively trying to avoid mentioning that Hawk was using the water to wash cocaine down his nose?
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bartok posted:What are some of the better In Your House PPVs? I've seen Mind Games with the incredible Shawn Michaels/Mankind main event and a few really lovely In Your Houses. Canadian Stampede, St. Valentine's Day Massacre. The good ones still have lovely undercards but amazing main events.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Canadian Stampede, St. Valentine's Day Massacre. The good ones still have lovely undercards but amazing main events. Rock/Mankind was not the ME on St. Valentine's Day Massacre. 
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Luigi Thirty posted:Canadian Stampede, St. Valentine's Day Massacre. The good ones still have lovely undercards but amazing main events. Canadian Stampede didn't have a single bad match. The entire card is amazing.
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https://sites.google.com/site/chris...F-In-Your-House This should help you. Some of the early shows were 2 hours long and had dark matches before and after the actual PPV and not all of them are noted.
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bartok posted:What are some of the better In Your House PPVs? I've seen Mind Games with the incredible Shawn Michaels/Mankind main event and a few really lovely In Your Houses. Beware of Dog is also a must-see.
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Was the Lawler/Kauffman feud the most successful mainstream angle not associated with WWE or WCW? And how did the popularity of WWF compare with it at the time?
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Lawler/Kauffman did get some mainstream attention but really didn't draw that much money and only continued because Kauffman refused to cash his checks
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oatgan posted:Lawler/Kauffman did get some mainstream attention but really didn't draw that much money and only continued because Kauffman refused to cash his checks Wasn't it a good draw in the beginning? IIRC the problem was that they kept it going too long because as mentioned Kaufman was happy to work for free.
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It's pretty surreal watching the GAB 1988 right after that youtube video.
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bartok posted:What are some of the better In Your House PPVs? I've seen Mind Games with the incredible Shawn Michaels/Mankind main event and a few really lovely In Your Houses. Badd Blood 1997's main event is the debut of HIAC, and it is insanely goddamned great. edit: looking through that list, and jesus christ, was there ever a good King of the Ring (other than '98)? I actually kind of like wrestling tournaments, but they just don't seem to work out for the WWE. Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Jun 21, 2014 |
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I've only recently just got back into wrestling and I just watched Summerslam 2013. So i'm wondering just what the general reaction was to Bryan beating Cena clean because when I was watching that was basically unheard of, hell it's basically unheard of now. Were there any leaks about the outcome? Because if not the reaction must have been insane.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I've only recently just got back into wrestling and I just watched Summerslam 2013. So i'm wondering just what the general reaction was to Bryan beating Cena clean because when I was watching that was basically unheard of, hell it's basically unheard of now. Were there any leaks about the outcome? Because if not the reaction must have been insane. Real-time reactions start here, it was pretty glorious. Shenanigans start here, it's pretty hilarious 
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bartok posted:What are some of the better In Your House PPVs? I've seen Mind Games with the incredible Shawn Michaels/Mankind main event and a few really lovely In Your Houses. I seem to recall most of this show is dogshit, but Jarrett/Michaels from IYH 2 is pretty terrific. And the super coked out Dok Hendrix backstage report afterwards.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I've only recently just got back into wrestling and I just watched Summerslam 2013. So i'm wondering just what the general reaction was to Bryan beating Cena clean because when I was watching that was basically unheard of, hell it's basically unheard of now. Were there any leaks about the outcome? Because if not the reaction must have been insane. The outcome of the match wasn't in doubt once everyone knew how bad Cena's arm was and that was pretty common knowledge a couple weeks before the show. What was in doubt was how clean it would be and whether the injury would play into it, and that came as a major surprise. Hardly anyone was expecting a perfectly clean win, and IMO that was the real beginning of what now seems to be WWE's #1 booking project of getting all of their eggs out of the Cena basket.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I've only recently just got back into wrestling and I just watched Summerslam 2013. So i'm wondering just what the general reaction was to Bryan beating Cena clean because when I was watching that was basically unheard of, hell it's basically unheard of now. Were there any leaks about the outcome? Because if not the reaction must have been insane. One major thing to consider is that no one had ever seen the knee before, since Bryan always used the headbutt and Yes!/No! Lock.
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Why does NJPW always spell Kazuchika Okada's name using katakana instead of kanji, like their other Japan-native wrestlers?
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Fag Boy Jim posted:Badd Blood 1997's main event is the debut of HIAC, and it is insanely goddamned great. KOTR '93 was my favorite. Hart/Razor is very fun, Hart/Perfect is one of my absolute favorite WWF matches ever, and the final is also real good. Plus it's the last of Hulk Hogan in the WWF for almost a decade. '08 was also fun just for Regal rampaging through everyone before he hosed up his push for himself.
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Happyman posted:Why does NJPW always spell Kazuchika Okada's name using katakana instead of kanji, like their other Japan-native wrestlers? It's a stylistic choice. His name used to be spelled in kanji when he was a young lion before going to TNA. You may also notice that Minoru Suzuki has his personal name written in hiragana (みのる). Here's a conversation I had with harperdc about this same subject. quote:Thauros wrote on Feb 12, 2014 00:00: quote:So if you're already familiar with kanji, hiragana and katakana you're halfway there -- but the rabbit hole goes deeper. In Chinese, kanji makes sense -- each character has one reading and one meaning. In Japanese, poo poo gets difficult. Suzuki's also experimeneted with different kanji for his family name in the past when he was in AJPW.
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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:The outcome of the match wasn't in doubt once everyone knew how bad Cena's arm was and that was pretty common knowledge a couple weeks before the show. There was a lot of feeling that Cena would win and then Orton would cash in on him and beat him, so the Bryan win wasn't exactly guaranteed.
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:One major thing to consider is that no one had ever seen the knee before, since Bryan always used the headbutt and Yes!/No! Lock. He'd done the knee in WWE a bunch, just not as a finisher. He used to do it off the apron to an outside opponent all the time, and the version he uses as a finish was just kind of a move he used.
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Is there legit heat between Tanahashi and Shibata or is their rivalry more of a work?
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NienNunb posted:Is there legit heat between Tanahashi and Shibata or is their rivalry more of a work? There is some heat from Tana and others at NJPW because Shibata left during one of the worst periods of New Japan (when he, Tana and Shinsuke were supposed to be the 3 new stars) to a mediocre career as a freelancer and in MMA, and then returned during the middle of a boom period. Tanahashi's ideas on wrestling run completely contrary to Shibata and how he wrestles so there's that too. It does seem like it's being exagerrated a fair bit, but there does also seem to be some real heat there. http://yottsumepuroresu.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/njpw-hiroshi-tanahashi-talks-about-his_22.html Excerpt from Tanahashi's book talking about his rivals, including a bunch of stuff on Shibata. http://yottsumepuroresu.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/njpw-katsuyori-shibata-talks-about-his.html Interview with Shibata about Tanahashi.
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I come from Wales where rugby is king and at the dawn of the 1900's there was a terrific war between several rugby unions as to who controlled Welsh rugby and when I say a war I mean knives out and real willingness to kill opposing team players. Can anyone tell me what it was like for a wrestler in the early 1900's as regards the territories that they wrestled for?
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Ultragonk posted:I come from Wales where rugby is king and at the dawn of the 1900's there was a terrific war between several rugby unions as to who controlled Welsh rugby and when I say a war I mean knives out and real willingness to kill opposing team players. Can anyone tell me what it was like for a wrestler in the early 1900's as regards the territories that they wrestled for? Territories were dead by the mid 80s, weren't they?
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bradzilla posted:Territories were dead by the mid 80s, weren't they? So the 80+ years before that were like....?
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Ultragonk posted:I come from Wales where rugby is king and at the dawn of the 1900's there was a terrific war between several rugby unions as to who controlled Welsh rugby and when I say a war I mean knives out and real willingness to kill opposing team players. Can anyone tell me what it was like for a wrestler in the early 1900's as regards the territories that they wrestled for? At the turn of the century there weren't territories. Some promoters would have a stranglehold on a city or as you got into the 20s a region, but wrestlers weren't really confined to a territory. The biggest stars did matches all over the country and Europe too. Some would wrestle mainly in one city (especially if they were a local freak show attraction, they might only do a few matches there) but it kind of resembled the way boxing is promoted now in terms of promoters and wrestlers. The affiliations were less formal, but I think that describes it. Wrestlers obviously worked many, many more matches than boxers do today. I haven't heard of many violent clashes between warring promoters. I'd guess when it is a work everyone is less inclined to die for it? The timeline I put in the Wrestling History thread may help a little: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3592744 MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jun 21, 2014 |
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MassRafTer posted:At the turn of the century there weren't territories. Some promoters would have a stranglehold on a city or as you got into the 20s a region, but wrestlers weren't really confined to a territory. The biggest stars did matches all over the country and Europe too. Some would wrestle mainly in one city (especially if they were a local freak show attraction, they might only do a few matches there) but it kind of resembled the way boxing is promoted now in terms of promoters and wrestlers. The affiliations were less formal, but I think that describes it. Wrestlers obviously worked many, many more matches than boxers do today. I haven't heard of many violent clashes between warring promoters. I'd guess when it is a work everyone is less inclined to die for it? That's a great explanation. I have a great grandfather who was stabbed on the training pitch to stop him playing so to see what the wrestlers did ion that time is very interesting. For an example in 1899 a Welsh fullback said they could kill any other rugby player within 5 minutes of being on the pitch, of course he really couldn't and that was just in Wales and not internationally.
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I love territory talk.
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Thauros posted:It's a stylistic choice. His name used to be spelled in kanji when he was a young lion before going to TNA. You may also notice that Minoru Suzuki has his personal name written in hiragana (みのる). Another idea might be aping baseball player Ichiro Suzuki, which as a name is something like Joe Johnson in Japan - especially in kanji - so he usually is referred to in katakana (イチロー) and his first name alone to boot. That's one of the only sports stars I can think of who uses katakana, and since he's such a legend, that might be a reason too. Actor and director Beat Takeshi is another person who's famous and used katakana too. Tl;dr it's rare and, therefore, memorable.
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Ultragonk posted:That's a great explanation. I have a great grandfather who was stabbed on the training pitch to stop him playing so to see what the wrestlers did ion that time is very interesting. For an example in 1899 a Welsh fullback said they could kill any other rugby player within 5 minutes of being on the pitch, of course he really couldn't and that was just in Wales and not internationally. The worst I've really heard was William Muldoon being reportedly menaced by gangs of thugs (he was a former NY police officer) acting on behalf of his opponent. Other than that there isn't much more than brutal beatings inside of matches, or cool poo poo like Matsuda threatening to kill Evan Lewis if he used the sleeper on him, so Lewis just leglocked him into the hospital. Rugby players did what wrestlers only threatened to do.
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MassRafTer posted:The worst I've really heard was William Muldoon being reportedly menaced by gangs of thugs (he was a former NY police officer) acting on behalf of his opponent. Other than that there isn't much more than brutal beatings inside of matches, or cool poo poo like Matsuda threatening to kill Evan Lewis if he used the sleeper on him, so Lewis just leglocked him into the hospital. Ha ha that's great.
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MassRafTer posted:The worst I've really heard was William Muldoon being reportedly menaced by gangs of thugs (he was a former NY police officer) acting on behalf of his opponent. Other than that there isn't much more than brutal beatings inside of matches, or cool poo poo like Matsuda threatening to kill Evan Lewis if he used the sleeper on him, so Lewis just leglocked him into the hospital. Rugby players did what wrestlers only threatened to do. Whenever I watch anything regarding early 20th century wrestling it just seems like a lot of guys playing GOT YOUR LEG in front of very nicely-dressed people
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MassRafTer posted:The worst I've really heard was William Muldoon being reportedly menaced by gangs of thugs (he was a former NY police officer) acting on behalf of his opponent. Other than that there isn't much more than brutal beatings inside of matches, or cool poo poo like Matsuda threatening to kill Evan Lewis if he used the sleeper on him, so Lewis just leglocked him into the hospital. Rugby players did what wrestlers only threatened to do. I'm sure there would have been more stabbings if you concentrated all of the promoters into an area slightly larger than New Jersey.
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