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Doltos posted:He's not some potential perennial top 5 all star but he should be a good presence on any team. My real issue with him is I don't believe he passes much once the ball hits his hands. He does not and that's my biggest knock on him. If you pass the ball to Randle it's either a shot, a turnover, or free throws. Not necessarily the worst thing in the world (Kevin McHale was the same way) but definitely something to be aware of.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:16
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The Glumslinger posted:You could literally say that about any PF in the draft, its a really dumb argument True, but teams make a guess about who can develop an outside game and who can't. The consensus seems to be that Randle probably won't.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:23
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I had a dream that the Lakers drafted some guy named Dominic and me and my stepbrother were really annoyed about it and the vatos we invited into the house we grew up in were really ragging us about it.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:23
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WIP is reporting that the Cavs want 3/10/32 for the #1.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:29
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I say do it.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:33
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I'd say wait them out and dare them to draft Wiggins
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Jun 26, 2014 20:34
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Don't dare Cleveland to do anything or they'll do something stupid. Wiggins and Philly are a match made in heaven. Parker belongs in Milwaukee as he might be the only player in a decade that actually wants to play in Milwaukee. Cleveland gets two extra picks to find some help. This needs to happen.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:36
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This is going to be an insane GDT
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Jun 26, 2014 20:38
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were the Cavs this desperate to trade last year's #1?
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Jun 26, 2014 20:40
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IIRC no one wanted it.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:41
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If Philly stands pat Cleveland might draft Exum and Wiggins falls to them anyways or they might draft Wiggins and Milwaukee takes Parker and you end up with Embiid or Exum or Vonleh if you're feeling frisky, none of which would be a bad consolation prize for a team who is not contending next season, especially when you consider that you have an early second round pick as well as the #10
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Jun 26, 2014 20:41
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euphronius posted:IIRC no one wanted it. they also made some insane demands as I recall (I think they asked for Anthony Davis or something?)
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Jun 26, 2014 20:42
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euphronius posted:This is going to be an insane GDT Yeah. The Sixers need to stay the gently caress away from Embiid after the year without Noel and the failed experiment that was Bynum. Vonleh has grown on me, and I am getting less and less impressed by Exum. If Stauskas stays at 10 there is no reason not to take him, but I can always dream that Wiggins drops to three or something crazy.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:42
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The arguement for Vonleh over Randle is that he's way longer, a better athlete, and has shown the ability to step out and hit a jumper. Randle was a beast a times, but he doesn't have a great wingspan for his size, is a little more of an under the rim guy, and struggled at time against bigger defenders (which is part of the reason his shooting percentage at the rim isn't very good), which he'll see more often in the pros. Vonleh is also a way better defensive player. Randle was awful on that end. Vonleh is not as polished as Randle is right now but his ceiling is a lot higher.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:46
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I see nothing wrong with the Sixers grabbing Embiid. They're not going to be competitive next year either short of a miracle FA signing.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:46
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Doltos posted:I see nothing wrong with the Sixers grabbing Embiid. They're not going to be competitive next year either short of a miracle FA signing. In the east though? At this point all you have to do is be better than the Bobcats..... The Sixers have the most money in the league available, and having all this young talent on rental is a great place to be. They need to stay away from injury problems unless the idea is to somehow move Embiid in the future...
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Jun 26, 2014 20:48
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The problem with Embiid is that his issues could last a lot longer than just next year. Foot and back injuries are a scary thing. If the only problem was that he'd have to miss like 50 games or whatever next year then he'd go in the Top 3 no questions asked.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:48
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euphronius posted:IIRC no one wanted it. Ya, they had a really confusing stance where they were quietly shopping it super hard but shopping it for like twice its market value. No one wanted that pick.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:50
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ESPN has some *advanced stats* yesterday which showed pretty well the Vonleh is superior to Randle in that they rebound about the same, but Vonleh is much better jump shooter and blocks more.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:50
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Yuzenn posted:In the east though? At this point all you have to do is be better than the Bobcats..... What young talent do they have? The only legit NBA rotation players on the whole team next year are going to be Thad Young, whoever they draft maybe, and MCW (who I think is way overrated right now). It's a really bad team. They're a lot worse than even the Bobcats or Hawks and won't be competitive next year. euphronius posted:ESPN has some *advanced stats* yesterday which showed pretty well the Vonleh is superior to Randle in that they rebound about the same, but Vonleh is much better jump shooter and blocks more. He's way way way better on a per possession basis, but his usage isn't nearly as high. Vonleh knocked down jumpers at a good rate but he really didn't shoot very many so there's some sample size worries there.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:50
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MourningView posted:What young talent do they have? The only legit NBA rotation players on the whole team next year are going to be Thad Young, whoever they draft maybe, and MCW (who I think is way overrated right now). It's a really bad team. They're a lot worse than even the Bobcats or Hawks and won't be competitive next year. I'm playing a scenario in my mind where its Stauskas at the 2 and Vonleh at the 4, tbh.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:55
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@KBergCBS Four players moving up teams' draft boards: Shabazz Napier, Kyle Anderson, Elfrid Payton and Jusuf Nurkic, league sources say. The LeBron Effect
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Jun 26, 2014 20:57
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MourningView posted:He's way way way better on a per possession basis, but his usage isn't nearly as high. Vonleh knocked down jumpers at a good rate but he really didn't shoot very many so there's some sample size worries there. He only shot 41, to be exact. Not 41 threes, but 41 jump shots. I like his overall projection as a shooter better than, say, Victor Oladipo, but it's a big mystery
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Jun 26, 2014 20:57
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WhyteRyce posted:@KBergCBS I wish sports teams would do away with GMs and just let star players build the team around them like when people grab pickup teams.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:57
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WhyteRyce posted:@KBergCBS Supposedly he's been really good in workouts too but yeah, LeBron calling him the best PG in the draft is helping him way more than it should.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:58
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Yuzenn posted:I'm playing a scenario in my mind where its Stauskas at the 2 and Vonleh at the 4, tbh. I think if the Sixers gets Vonleh/Randle + Stauskas/Harris they will be a great up-and-coming team next year with the addition of a healthy Noel. MCW/Stauskas/Young/Vonleh/Noel or MCW/Harris/Young/Randle/Noel would be fantastic. Any way they can come out of the lottery with a good SG and PF they win the draft. e: or Gordon as a PF pick.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:58
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Declan MacManus posted:He only shot 41, to be exact. Not 41 threes, but 41 jump shots. I like his overall projection as a shooter better than, say, Victor Oladipo, but it's a big mystery It's true. But in terms of comparing him to Randle, Randle shot a decent number as was absolutely awful at them, so that's kind of a worry. He came in with a reputation as a good shooter and hits his free throws at a decent rate though so I guess you hope he bounces back.
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Jun 26, 2014 21:00
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How do you become less impressed with Exum when you haven't seen anymore of him than the miniscule amount available?
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Jun 26, 2014 21:04
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Strawberry Panda posted:How do you become less impressed with Exum when you haven't seen anymore of him than the miniscule amount available? well team scouts keep anonymously leaking negative things because their teams instruct them to do so and everyone is talking up people that they just watched so
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Jun 26, 2014 21:05
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MourningView posted:It's true. But in terms of comparing him to Randle, Randle shot a decent number as was absolutely awful at them, so that's kind of a worry. He came in with a reputation as a good shooter and hits his free throws at a decent rate though so I guess you hope he bounces back. Ya I'd rather have a guy who can't shoot or doesn't want to shoot and won't shoot than a guy who shoot 17.3% on jump shots and keeps taking them.
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Jun 26, 2014 21:05
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I have absolutely no idea how good or bad Exum is but I have a feeling Orlando will take him.
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Jun 26, 2014 21:07
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Exum not wanting to work out for people has dropped my consideration of him, but I still think he goes top-5.
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Jun 26, 2014 21:10
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@WojYahooNBA: Marcus Smart is emerging as serious consideration for Utah with fifth pick, league sources tell Yahoo. Smart didn't workout for Jazz.
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Jun 26, 2014 21:11
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Lockback posted:Exum not wanting to work out for people has dropped my consideration of him, but I still think he goes top-5. Didn't he only not want to work out for the Cavs?
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Jun 26, 2014 21:13
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double sulk posted:@WojYahooNBA: Marcus Smart is emerging as serious consideration for Utah with fifth pick, league sources tell Yahoo. Smart didn't workout for Jazz.
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Jun 26, 2014 21:14
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Doltos posted:Didn't he only not want to work out for the Cavs? And this doesn't drop him in my estimation.
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Jun 26, 2014 21:15
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Lockback posted:Exum not wanting to work out for people has dropped my consideration of him, but I still think he goes top-5. Eh, not working out either means he got a promise from someone or he's trying to trick a team into thinking he got a promise from someone. No harm in gaming the system a bit
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Jun 26, 2014 21:15
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I'm really disappointed that there's no one obviously as terrible as Jan Vesely to go in the lottery this year.
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Jun 26, 2014 21:15
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All hope I have for the Kings this draft rests on Smart, Exum, and Randle all getting taken in the top 7
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R.D. Mangles posted:I'm really disappointed that there's no one obviously as terrible as Jan Vesely to go in the lottery this year. Aaron Gordon reminds me a lot of Vesely so when Philly panics and picks him at 3 I will telepathically send you my laughter
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