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Chasiubao posted:Pro: TAS Catwoman skin is Con: Catwoman is an unfun, garbage character to play as. I don't know what it is about Catwoman I hate. Maybe the lack of gadget variety, maybe the climbing aspect, maybe the fact her ground takedowns take so much longer than Batman's and I always get hit because I can't time them right... I'll fully admit that I hate playing Catwoman because I'm bad at playing Catwoman. However it's not even that she's different from Batman. I liked playing as Robin, and he plays different from Batman, although not ENTIRELY, I guess. Half of Robin's gadgets were the same as Batman's, so maybe it wasn't as steep a learning curve. Though yeah, the TAS skins are all great, Catwoman included.
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Catwoman's predator sections were poo poo because she has no good movement options and also lacks the fun toys and variety of batman, but I don't understand what problem people have with her combat sections, I found her barrels of fun, she attacks way faster than anyone else and has great crowd control options.
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Jun 26, 2014 14:19
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khwarezm posted:Catwoman's predator sections were poo poo because she has no good movement options and also lacks the fun toys and variety of batman, but I don't understand what problem people have with her combat sections, I found her barrels of fun, she attacks way faster than anyone else and has great crowd control options.
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Jun 26, 2014 14:50
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"I'll see this one wheeled into Blackgate on a gurney.  "Jesus christ Bats, calm the gently caress down! But...I feel guilty for enjoying Ezio Redfield over Kevin Connory's voice acting. The rougher, angrier Batman seems to gel much better with the image of the character I have in my head I guess.
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Jun 26, 2014 15:55
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poptart_fairy posted:"I'll see this one wheeled into Blackgate on a gurney. I kinda preferred both Sonic the Bathog and the Joelker over Conroy and Hamill. Don't get me wrong, I love their performances but it was refreshing getting some new talent after hearing them for so long.
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Jun 26, 2014 16:02
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poptart_fairy posted:"I'll see this one wheeled into Blackgate on a gurney. Mr. Freeze orchestrated an attack that resulted in his wine cellar being set on fire. It's gone beyond being personal now.
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Jun 26, 2014 16:38
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kalonZombie posted:Con: Catwoman is an unfun, garbage character to play as. khwarezm posted:Catwoman's predator sections were poo poo because she has no good movement options and also lacks the fun toys and variety of batman, but I don't understand what problem people have with her combat sections, I found her barrels of fun, she attacks way faster than anyone else and has great crowd control options. Catwoman's ability to run silently lets you absolutely wreck almost all of the predator sections, with the exception of Top of the World and arguably end of the line, with their limited space and open sightlines, respectively. EOTW Extreme is in particular controller-breakingly frustrating to get 3 medals on as catwoman. I also don't mind combat as catwoman- I'm comfortable focusing on a combination of basic hits, dodges and counters that builds up to a ridiculously high number, and her speed makes that easy. I'll never get three medals on Joker's Carnival with her, though. The real pain of the catwoman content is how freaking sexist the writing is.
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Jun 26, 2014 16:41
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God dammit. I can't get above a 9 variation bonus in City, and can't remember more then 10. I'm trying to remember all the various things I need to do. Strike Counter Evade Cape Stun The four special moves for having a combo string Ground takedown Ultra Cape Stun ??? ??? What are the two I'm missing?
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Jun 26, 2014 21:30
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You're missing Aerial Attack and Beatdown. Also all the quick-fire gadgets.
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Jun 26, 2014 22:05
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Discendo Vox posted:The real pain of the catwoman content is how freaking sexist the writing is.
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Jun 26, 2014 22:13
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Quest For Glory II posted:You don't want to have your way with Batman?? Please make this the new thread title.
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Jun 26, 2014 22:35
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Quest For Glory II posted:I don't think there's a single line of dialogue about any female character in the batman mythos that wasn't "I'm unna rape that bitch" which, it's a city of criminals but geez. Save some of that hate and lust for Batman. You don't want to have your way with Batman?? God, homoerotic tension between Batman and, say, the Arkhamverse Riddler or Pengin would be the most hilarious thing ever, if they could avoid the heavy taint of rape and sexual violence (they probably can't). I love the idea of goons awkwardly hitting on Batman as he beats the stuffing out of them, or Cobblepot sounding incredibly sexually repressed as he talks about wanting to put Bruce Wayne in a cage on display. Catwoman's a character fully capable of agency and interesting writing when in good hands, which is what makes her misuse even more frustrating. I hate Catwoman being AC's Rouge the Bat, but I can comprehend the rationale for making a "sexy" character, however distasteful or poorly done I might find it. Leave the horrible "sexy" stuff to Poison Ivy- she has no other interesting or redeeming features, so at least there it'd be no great loss (if still grating). It's the unceasing rape context, on top of the cheap sexual exploitation, that makes me so unhappy with one part of what was otherwise an excellent game. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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Jun 26, 2014 23:01
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Discendo Vox posted:God, homoerotic tension between Batman and, say, the Arkhamverse Riddler or Pengin would be the most hilarious thing ever, if they could avoid the heavy taint of rape and sexual violence (they probably can't). I love the idea of goons awkwardly hitting on Batman as he beats the stuffing out of them, or Cobblepot sounding incredibly sexually repressed as he talks about wanting to put Bruce Wayne in a cage on display. This is too funny not to exist Quick, someone with talent poorly dub in new lines over all of his AC cutscenes
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Jun 26, 2014 23:06
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Potential goon lines: "hey, Batman! Nice outfit! It really shows off your, um...nevermind" *takes swing, gets countered* "I'll send flowers to your hospital room, Bat!" *his gun is disassembled, he gets punched* "I bet your momma warned you about guys like me!" *capestunned, beatdown combo, interrupted into instant takedown that breaks both his arms. A single tear runs down Batman's face as he turns to face the other mincing goons vying for his attention* Of course, Batman won't fall for any of the Arkhamverse characters. It's already confirmed that his sole love interest in Arkham Knight is the Batmobile. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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Jun 26, 2014 23:11
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"Put your crotch in my face and pound me in the balls, Batman!" - goon laying stunned on the ground who you very suddenly do NOT want to do a ground takedown on.
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Jun 26, 2014 23:13
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Discendo Vox posted:I love the idea of goons awkwardly hitting on Batman as he beats the stuffing out of them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kA0dycScs0
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Jun 26, 2014 23:22
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I'm shaking with rage after watching this. Couldn't you have at least posted a trigger warning?
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Jun 26, 2014 23:23
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Discendo Vox posted:God, homoerotic tension between Batman and, say, the Arkhamverse Riddler or Pengin would be the most hilarious thing ever, if they could avoid the heavy taint of rape and sexual violence (they probably can't). I love the idea of goons awkwardly hitting on Batman as he beats the stuffing out of them, or Cobblepot sounding incredibly sexually repressed as he talks about wanting to put Bruce Wayne in a cage on display. Poison Ivy can be interesting when she is written as forcing Batman to face representation of a problem which is different from 'criminals breaking into banks.' At her best she's written as an exaggerated eco-terrorist legitimately more interested in protecting and defending plantlife and nature than she is in protecting humanity. Ra's kind of goes into this territory sometimes too but from a more human perspective. Forcing Batman to confront other kinds of problems can lead to positive or interesting stories where Bruce Wayne can actually do something positive and forward-thinking even if he has to oppose Poison Ivy's particular way of doing things, which is less than he can do against classic criminals because Joker's gotta break his rear end out of prison in time for this month's story. Of course 99% of the time she's written as Hot Green Lady Who Makes Out With People so, y'know.
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Jun 26, 2014 23:26
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Yeah, I'm aware of the environmental angle, I've just never seen it fit into the broader themes of the batman mythos as well. Poison Ivy doesn't hit any of the classic elements of Madness, Crime, or The City like the best Batman villains do. There's no parallel or inversion with what Batman represents-she's just a generic environmental terrorist, just with a lack of clothes. As such, it's really hard to giver her internal conflict or motivation more than "I love plants, men/humans are pigs, seduce/destroy/get beaten up". If she were ever written as a female Ra's with an environmental focus and maybe an ounce of sympathy or rationality, that'd be one thing. But the trend almost from her inception was to make her mindset inhuman-often literally. I guess we both want the same thing here, but we also both know it's not gonna happen. Are there any female characters in batman that comics creators and their fans haven't eventually ruined? DrNutt posted:I'm shaking with rage after watching this. Couldn't you have at least posted a trigger warning? Admit it- that's not rage. You've just seen your fanfiction brought to life by the sultry tones of Mark Hamill.
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Crappy Jack posted:"Put your crotch in my face and pound me in the balls, Batman!" - goon laying stunned on the ground who you very suddenly do NOT want to do a ground takedown on. I can only hear this as John DiMaggio.
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Jun 26, 2014 23:44
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TechnoSyndrome posted:You're missing Aerial Attack and Beatdown. Also all the quick-fire gadgets. The quick-fire gadgets actually don't count! They get their own category that doesn't count towards the trophy, so you can pretty much ignore them. Though why would you, because not using quickfire gadgets in an Arkham game is like playing a Platinum Games game by just spamming the light attack button.
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Jun 27, 2014 00:08
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I can only hear this as John DiMaggio. That's weird, because John DiMaggio isn't in any of these games.
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myname_isdoug posted:That's weird, because John DiMaggio isn't in any of these games. Yes he is, he voices a bunch of the random thugs.
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Jun 27, 2014 00:57
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ImpAtom posted:Yes he is, he voices a bunch of the random thugs. Uncredited, to be fair.
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Jun 27, 2014 01:40
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Phylodox posted:Uncredited, to be fair. Yeah, but that's pretty common for voice actors since the union stuff is so weird.
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Jun 27, 2014 01:48
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Weird, I've never heard a thug I thought sounded like DiMaggio and I didn't see an Arkham credit on IMDB. Whatevs.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:51
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You must not know what John DiMaggio sounds like because every other thug in the Arkham series sounds like Jake the Dog.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:54
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Yeah, drop Batman into any fight anywhere in any game. There is a 99% chance you will be pushing Bender's poo poo in during that fight.
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Jun 27, 2014 03:23
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Well, I still don't think it sounds like him, but maybe he has more range within the "big Jersey guy" character than I thought. Just kinda weird that the only places I can find that say DiMaggio definitely did voices in the game are this thread, TVTropes, and Kotaku.
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Jun 27, 2014 03:36
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myname_isdoug posted:Well, I still don't think it sounds like him, but maybe he has more range within the "big Jersey guy" character than I thought. Because DiMaggio, like many voice actors, works uncredited on a number of smaller roles. It is the only way to get around specific union pay scale issues. His voice is incredibly distinctive however and easily recognized.
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I've said this before, but the absolute best moment for DiMaggio was when he played a thug mimicking the Joker and Harley. It was certainly a reference to him playing the Joker in Under the Red Hood, although he sounded very different when he was imitating Mark Hamill as opposed to doing his own spin.
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Discendo Vox posted:I guess we both want the same thing here, but we also both know it's not gonna happen. Are there any female characters in batman that comics creators and their fans haven't eventually ruined? Batwoman maybe? I dunno.
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Jun 27, 2014 04:49
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You either hear John Dimaggio or Steven Blum. Though Blum is much more obvious. And yes you'll always hear Dimaggio. He sorta sounds like jake/marcus fenix when he's one of the random goons.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The New-52 did a good job of mucking up a few of the better ones. I know Amanda Weller became a standard comic-book supermodel. The main writers for Batwoman, an open lesbian, quit in protest of DC's refusal to let her get married on-page.
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Jun 27, 2014 06:56
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Wasn't that because DC just hate marriage in general? Still dumb, of course.
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Jun 27, 2014 06:58
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Speaking of New 52, I've been wondering if Arkham Knight might have Barbara Gordon appear as Batgirl instead of Oracle. Personally I'm still not quite sure what to think about DC's decision to get rid of Oracle and restore Barbara as Batgirl, but I do know it would be pretty cool to be able to kick rear end as Batgirl even if it's only in challenge rooms or whatever.
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OH NO MAN posted:Speaking of New 52, I've been wondering if Arkham Knight might have Barbara Gordon appear as Batgirl instead of Oracle. Personally I'm still not quite sure what to think about DC's decision to get rid of Oracle and restore Barbara as Batgirl, but I do know it would be pretty cool to be able to kick rear end as Batgirl even if it's only in challenge rooms or whatever. Oracle is already confirmed to be in the game.
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Oh. Well. That's what I get for not paying much attention to the pre-release stuff, I guess. Still, I wouldn't mind if she (Batgirl, that is - I don't think the world is ready for wheelchair-based stealth rooms) were playable in challenge rooms or DLC or something. DMorbid fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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Oracle in a wheelchair in stealth, swinging between predator points, would be pretty hilarious, if a bit non-PC.
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OH NO MAN posted:Speaking of New 52, I've been wondering if Arkham Knight might have Barbara Gordon appear as Batgirl instead of Oracle. Personally I'm still not quite sure what to think about DC's decision to get rid of Oracle and restore Barbara as Batgirl, but I do know it would be pretty cool to be able to kick rear end as Batgirl even if it's only in challenge rooms or whatever. I would be all for that, especially if we get skins for all the other Batgirls too. Cass would save money on voice acting too!
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