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Godholio posted:AWACS in particular did almost nothing fixed 
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Jul 1, 2014 23:49
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Jul 2, 2014 02:28
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Supposedly they sent Apaches to Baghdad but I don't have to give a gently caress because I'm on terminal in 27 days.
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Jul 3, 2014 05:54
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I don't think we need iyaayas to remind us how bad an idea operating Apaches (in Iraq) without sufficient ground support is
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Jul 3, 2014 06:48
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Supposedly they sent Apaches to Baghdad but I don't have to give a gently caress because I'm on terminal in 27 days. 
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Jul 3, 2014 07:01
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Snowdens Secret posted:I don't think we need iyaayas to remind us how bad an idea operating Apaches
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Jul 3, 2014 07:01
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Well ISIS hasn't gotten to Karbala yet, so that's good for the Apaches, but apparently the Shi'a have decided to start killing each other in the city, so maybe they'll get an opportunity to repeat.
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Jul 3, 2014 08:40
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Snowdens Secret posted:I don't think we need iyaayas to remind us how bad an idea operating Apaches (in Iraq) without sufficient ground support is it's only a bad idea if you completely disregard established doctrine and threat brie- oh who am i kidding
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Jul 3, 2014 14:27
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Army_aviation.txt
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Jul 3, 2014 14:30
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Looks like ISIS kicked out some other rebel group out of the syrian al Omar oil fields. Tesla should be making 'are you with us or the terrorists?' commercials.iyaayas01 posted:Well ISIS hasn't gotten to Karbala yet, so that's good for the Apaches, but apparently the Shi'a have decided to start killing each other in the city, so maybe they'll get an opportunity to repeat. Iraq.txt Massud Barzani has called for the kurdish parliament to prepare for a vote on independence. It'll be interesting to see what they consider "kurdish", seeing as how the peshmega now control an area 40% larger than the official province in the wake of iraqi army vacating those areas. Over in Russia, Putin and friends has made disseminating "extremist or provocative" content subject to up to 5 years in prison. Which means they can throw you in the slammer for re-tweeting bad jokes about the church or government. Offensive or provocative words in art is also now banned. Although I suspect this is more legalizing what is already being done than any real change. In Ukraine the president has replaced most of the top military brass, so there might be something happening there soon. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Jul 3, 2014 15:27
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Christ, Putin really is turning Russia into USSR2-Gangster Boogaloo, isn't he? I don't know why anyone's surprised. Former KGB thug misses old days of KGB thugs running everything. How long before Russia claims to have invented a time machine/cloned dinosaurs, so we can have pics of Putin knocking out a T-Rex in a fight?
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Jul 3, 2014 17:18
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/saudi-arabia-sends-30-000-troops-iraq-border-state-owned-n147186quote:DUBAI - Saudi Arabia has deployed 30,000 soldiers to its border with Iraq after Iraqi soldiers withdrew from the area, Saudi-owned al-Arabiya television reported Thursday. The world's top oil exporter shares an 500-mile border with Iraq, where Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) insurgents and other Sunni Muslim militant groups seized towns and cities in a lightning advance last month. King Abdullah has ordered all necessary measures to protect the kingdom against potential "terrorist threats," state news agency SPA reported on Thursday. 30,000 seems a little excessive for security, but I guess it's a big border. It goes without saying that these are going to be Sunni-side guys, although the extent to which the Sauds want to cooperate with / fight the AQ guys publicly remains to be seen.
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Jul 3, 2014 17:54
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Doublepostin' cuz you guys were talking about Russia: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/07/michael-mcfaul-what-turned-putin-against-the-us/373866/ quote:"The bad news is I think Putin is now locked into his worldview," McFaul said. "It’s going to be a long, long confrontational struggle with Russia that will last at least until Putin is no longer the leader." McFaul's a nice guy who means well but I think he says a lot of obviously mistaken stuff, including this: quote:Another approach suggests that U.S. policy is to blame—either the Americans were far too aggressive, chastising Russia for its failings, driving NATO eastward, and supporting "color revolutions" in Eastern Europe, which drove Putin to paranoia; or else the Americans were too soft, letting Putin get away with his incursion into Georgia and telegraphing that they wouldn't strike back. McFaul rejected that, too, noting the long list of collaborations between the two governments up to February: a nuclear-arms-reduction treaty, distribution networks to Afghanistan, Iran sanctions, the Syrian chemical-weapons deal. Violent protests in 2010 in Kyrgyzstan didn't cause a crisis; Russian opinion polls showed two-thirds approval of the United States as recently as three years ago. The post-Cold War arms reduction treaties have been almost entirely unilateral - what arms reductions the Russians have done have been economically driven (or because they no longer had East Euro satellites to put the stuff in) and their treaty compliance has been questionable. The distribution networks to Afghanistan were paid with truckloads of cash money, the Iran sanctions were also iffy, and the Syria chem deal (which is just now getting anything done) is also, at best, no example of two states making mutual concessions.
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Jul 3, 2014 18:02
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It boggles my mind the number of people who blame the US for Russia's douchebaggery because the US had the gall to let former Soviet countries direct their own foreign policy.
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Jul 3, 2014 18:21
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Until Russia becomes not completely hosed up, us being adversarial with them seems inevitable. Many of our foreign policy objectives are inherently at odds, the bits of our foreign policy not inherently at odds end up at odds because selling weapons to our enemies is one of their few non-oil industries and state revenue generators, and most critically their country is too hosed up for there to be enough mutual commercial activity to smooth out these rough edges.
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Jul 3, 2014 18:56
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I read on the Aviationist blog that Iran sent some Su-25 ground attack jets to Iraq. Dunno how truthful that is.
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Jul 3, 2014 18:56
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It showed up on the BBC yesterday, too. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28125687
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Jul 3, 2014 19:14
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Snowdens Secret posted:The distribution networks to Afghanistan were paid with truckloads of cash money. This is the understatement of the century, and I sincerely hope that congressional hearings someday put people up against the wall. But that'll never happen. We'll get Bob Kraft's super bowl ring back from Putin before we have Congress literally bring back crucifixion to make up for the cluster gently caress that is the NDN and the advocates that brought it about.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:57
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Snowdens Secret posted:http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/saudi-arabia-sends-30-000-troops-iraq-border-state-owned-n147186 Because declaring yourself caliph pretty much also declares "you're next" to the Sauds and other neighbours. And the last thing they want is getting instability leaking across the border during the current fighting. SA may want sunnis back in power in Baghdad to counter Iran and Syria, but the latest moves by ISIS has essentially entirely put them of the list of people who can be worked with. Expect to see a lot of people who are not ISIS get a lot of resources soon, because they have managed to do the impossible; get Turkey, the Kurds, Syria, SA, Iran, Israel and the US to work towards a common goal.
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Jul 3, 2014 21:33
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Every single time I read the word "caliph" my brain processes it as "khaleesi".
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Jul 3, 2014 21:44
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ISIS is a false flag op to bring all of the middle eastern countries together with America and bring in a new golden era of peace and friendship.
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Jul 3, 2014 22:26
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Whip Slagcheek posted:ISIS is a false flag op to bring all of the middle eastern countries together with America and bring in a new golden era of peace and friendship. I wonder how far a public official could read that sentence out loud without laughing.
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Jul 3, 2014 22:31
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"ISIS is a false flahahahahahhahahah
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somewhatpathetic posted:It showed up on the BBC yesterday, too. Extra hilarity points awarded for them being ex-Iraqi units that were impounded in 2003.
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Jul 3, 2014 23:39
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welp just updated my resume on clearancejobs.com and gettin the old polos and 5.11s ready
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Jul 4, 2014 00:00
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Okay Iraq, you can have your toys back but only if you promise to be a good little failed state and only bomb Sunnis with them.
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Jul 4, 2014 00:00
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Whip Slagcheek posted:ISIS is a false flag op to bring all of the middle eastern countries together with America and bring in a new golden era of peace and friendship. Some dude is already "just asking questions" to this effect in the D and D middle east thread. Not so much as for the motive but just in a "a thing happened, therefore America and Israel are behind it" sense.
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Jul 4, 2014 00:15
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Best Friends posted:Some dude is already "just asking questions" to this effect in the D and D middle east thread. Not so much as for the motive but just in a "a thing happened, therefore America and Israel are behind it" sense. Well it is D&D...I'm pretty sure aliens could have appeared and glassed the Middle East and broadcast live worldwide....and you'd still get the same reaction. They're a special brand of stupid.
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Jul 4, 2014 00:21
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"Are our alien overlords complicit in the Zionist oppression of the Palestinian people? Why is there no transparency in the process by which their Flesh Harvesters select humans to be deliquesced in the enzyme tanks?"
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Jul 4, 2014 00:33
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:I wonder how far a public official could read that sentence out loud without laughing. Closest you'll see is republicans blaming Obama.
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Jul 4, 2014 00:40
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Fojar38 posted:It boggles my mind the number of people who blame the US for Russia's douchebaggery because the US had the gall to let former Soviet countries direct their own foreign policy. Russia's douchebaggery isn't the U.S.'s fault, but eastern expansion of NATO was still a colossally stupid idea. Just because the former Eastern Bloc wanted to join doesn't mean we had to let them in. Friendly reminder that if Bush and his merry band of morons had had their way c. 2007 NATO would've faced not one but two Article V commitments in the past 10 years that would've potentially put NATO combat troops into direct combat with the Russian military. Obama Africanus posted:This is the understatement of the century, and I sincerely hope that congressional hearings someday put people up against the wall. When the alternative is to be beholden to Pakistan shutting down our entire supply chain every time we drone someone, even a clusterfuck on the scale of the NDN starts to appear to make sense. Of course the real alternative is "don't fight a loving decade+ long land war in loving Afghanistan you retards" but welp Madurai posted:Extra hilarity points awarded for them being ex-Iraqi units that were impounded in 2003. Not 2003, Iran has been holding on to those fuckers since 1991.
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Jul 4, 2014 01:34
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white privilege posted:welp just updated my resume on clearancejobs.com and gettin the old polos and 5.11s ready Yep lotta guys around here dusting off the old resumes and asking how leave of absence works again
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Jul 4, 2014 01:36
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white privilege posted:welp just updated my resume on clearancejobs.com and gettin the old polos and 5.11s ready And here I was thinking the days of wine and roses for contractors was over.
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Jul 4, 2014 01:57
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iyaayas01 posted:Friendly reminder that if Bush and his merry band of morons had had their way c. 2007 NATO would've faced not one but two Article V commitments in the past 10 years that would've potentially put NATO combat troops into direct combat with the Russian military.  Honest to god, there are few things that would make me happier than seeing F-22s rack up a 50:1 kill ratio against advanced Flankers, just to spite Gates and the Lightweight Fighter Mafia.
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Courthouse posted:Because declaring yourself caliph pretty much also declares "you're next" to the Sauds and other neighbours. And the last thing they want is getting instability leaking across the border during the current fighting. SA may want sunnis back in power in Baghdad to counter Iran and Syria, but the latest moves by ISIS has essentially entirely put them of the list of people who can be worked with. Even without getting into how the Saud royal family plugs into Wahhabism and Salafism and how those form the basis of this entire movement, these guys have been saying "our goal is a global caliphate" since at least the 80s, to everyone that'll listen; that hasn't slowed the Saudis from giving them loads of 'help' in the interests of loving with common enemies, and this has a looong way to go before it heads in a direction SA isn't really excited to see. quote:they have managed to do the impossible; get Turkey, the Kurds, Syria, SA, Iran, Israel and the US to work towards a common goal. This is absolutely not happening and don't be fooled into thinking it is.
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iyaayas01 posted:Russia's douchebaggery isn't the U.S.'s fault, but eastern expansion of NATO was still a colossally stupid idea. Just because the former Eastern Bloc wanted to join doesn't mean we had to let them in. Ahem, I believe you mean Russia would have been deterred by the threat of NATO A.V commitment and would've never advanced I'm being sarcastic, I think a mutual defense pact that includes every Tom Dick and Jeorgi in the northwestern hemisphere is a stupid idea too, but 'uhhhh Article V' is pretty much the sole reason lots of wonks have given for why Putin didn't continue to head west this Spring.
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Jul 4, 2014 03:04
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white privilege posted:welp just updated my resume on clearancejobs.com and gettin the old polos and 5.11s ready shoot a mud in the face for me tia
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:shoot a mud in the face for me tia
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Snowdens Secret posted:Even without getting into how the Saud royal family plugs into Wahhabism and Salafism and how those form the basis of this entire movement, these guys have been saying "our goal is a global caliphate" since at least the 80s, to everyone that'll listen; that hasn't slowed the Saudis from giving them loads of 'help' in the interests of loving with common enemies, and this has a looong way to go before it heads in a direction SA isn't really excited to see. Sure, but a pretty big part of it is them being in charge of the crazy, and said crazy not encroaching on their borders/authority. Declaring oneself calipha is officially saying you should be taking a knee, which they could just not give a poo poo about if not for the fact that they might soon share a border. Biting the hand that feeds them and all that. SA wants sunnis in Baghdad and Damascus, that's the endgame here, but they don't want ISIS to be those sunnis. They cannot be worked with. And no, obvs not together. But they are all making moves to remedy ISIS current successes. What they imagine comes after ISIS is of course fundamentally at odds with each other.
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