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Jippa posted:So he will be out in 2 years? Closer to three, barring any ill health that gets him released on compassionate grounds - he is 84, so that's not too unlikely. As one of his victims said, though, the sentence is not as important as the verdict. I just hope that when the judge asked the jury foreman if he was ready to deliver a verdict, he replied "Yes. Can you guess what it is yet?"
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notaspy posted:I expect this government to make a similar mistake as the last when they fired a nonce into space but put a child in there by mistake. Bloody nu labour!!!! This government had an alleged nonce on staff in Downing Street. Cameron is such a wonderful judge of character. Last time the Tory sleaze was all extramarital affairs, dodgy arms deals and cash4questions (we buy any question), this time it appears to be paedos, private eyes and private functions.
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Jedit posted:I just hope that when the judge asked the jury foreman if he was ready to deliver a verdict, he replied "Yes. Can you guess what it is yet?" Altogether now. Lock the paedophile up, m'lud, Lock the paedophile up. Lock the paedophile up, m'lud, Lock the paedophile up.
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HortonNash posted:This government had an alleged nonce on staff in Downing Street. Cameron is such a wonderful judge of character. I amazed just how bad labour have been capitalising on all the poo poo coming out of the Tory party. It writes itself, just a constant dribble of raw sewage that should have killed any other government but this lot just get away with it
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notaspy posted:I amazed just how bad labour have been capitalising on all the poo poo coming out of the Tory party. Bit early for this sort of stuff, I think Labour are waiting to see the whites of their eyes. Use it now and the public will forget. Not to mention, unlike Cameron, Ed probably doesn't want to cause a trial to collapse by commenting on it before it is over.
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Like I said before, it's the end of the beginning:quote:More News of the World staff may face phone-hacking charges
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notaspy posted:I amazed just how bad labour have been capitalising on all the poo poo coming out of the Tory party. If there is one thing the Tories are better at, it is taking Labour criticisms and spinning them into a hypocrisy narrative. I mean pretty much every other week Labour highlights something then the Tory press finds out they've done exactly the same and beat them with it. I'd bet that Labour have chosen to keep out of the Tory nonce stuff because they have no idea how endemic it was on their own turf. Look at how the Daily Mail spun the harmless Harriet Harman nonce association into a major story and multiply it by 1000x if they could find an actual Labour nonce.
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This incredible attempt at spin on c4 right now is amazing. No admission of guilt, no admission of a coverup, "mistakes" and all, "acceptance" of most of the general public not having sympathy. 18 months is "harsh". And now Krishnan is pissed and attacking the deputy editor.
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That's Wallis for you. He did rather accurately say that he's been made the fall guy for News International at the start though.
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Brown Moses posted:I can see arguments for and against this, especially in a case like this when they got away with their crimes because of their position in society. It doesn't matter how long he's sentenced to, because we don't really like to let people die of old age in jail. They can make all the terms run consecutively and he'll still be out after three years or so on grounds of health. He's already lost the most important thing. Everything else is just posturing.
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Brown Moses posted:I can see arguments for and against this, especially in a case like this when they got away with their crimes because of their position in society. There are very good reasons to hand out sentences according to the laws at the time the crime was committed, and I'm curious as to why people think it shouldn't apply here (other than knee-jerk desire to punish, though I suspect/hope it's more than that).
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Each individual hacking event is a separate crime right? So theoretically can't they hit Brooks again on a different set of hacking events? Or if nothing else, it came out that there was hacking against the royals that I thought wasn't known about before the trial, that has to hold some higher penalties, right?
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RevKrule posted:Each individual hacking event is a separate crime right? So theoretically can't they hit Brooks again on a different set of hacking events? Not really, apart from her Maj in very specific circumstances the Royals have no more de jure protection than any commoner. (De facto protection is obviously a different matter).
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I wonder if they're trying to pull another McAlpine and have people assume him guilty on twitter etc, denounce it as a malicious and false witchhunt and then try to denounce all reasonable suspicion and call for the public to let the police do their job and not to risk any of these important investigations with rumourmongering.
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More papers getting their 9 month back log of phone hacking related stories out, this time the Mail with Rebekah Brooks and a riddle over Met Police chief: Alleged attempt to interfere in appointment of London's top policeman.
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Brown Moses posted:From the Indie tomorrow Tebbit kinda put his foot in it this morning on the Andrew Marr show - while I'm sure he was just looking to preemptively distance himself from any putative cover-up by waffling about the general Westminster culture he ended giving a pretty damning soundbite of "There was a culture that the Establishment had to be protected" which has been interpreted by a lot of reporters as "There definitely was a cover-up". The genie is coming out of the bottle on this and we're rapidly approaching a point where - regardless of whether or not a cover-up existed/still exists - everything out of the mouth of every politician is going to sound like part of the cover-up. Like at this moment Labour can sit on their hands and make vague noises about maybe investigating something and it sounds like it's just Labour being their normal indecisive mealy-mouthed selves, but a few more days of this being at the top of the news agenda and people will start wondering just who they're trying to protect - there's already rumours of a "senior Labour figure" being involved in the Eighties.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Tebbit kinda put his foot in it this morning on the Andrew Marr show - while I'm sure he was just looking to preemptively distance himself from any putative cover-up by waffling about the general Westminster culture he ended giving a pretty damning soundbite of "There was a culture that the Establishment had to be protected" which has been interpreted by a lot of reporters as "There definitely was a cover-up". They are all up to there neck in it but I get the feeling that the Tories are the worst ones of the lot (for a change) but this'll all come down to which way the papers go. This is their turn to completely poo poo all over the political class after the shoeing they have just taken. I was talking to my dad about this whole clusterfuck and it all stems from the guardian do their job and not giving up on a story. It really is one of those storied that a journalist gets into the business for; it shows how incestuous the powerful have become. Take a bow Nick Davies.
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notaspy posted:They are all up to there neck in it but I get the feeling that the Tories are the worst ones of the lot (for a change) but this'll all come down to which way the papers go. This is their turn to completely poo poo all over the political class after the shoeing they have just taken. Ah? What was the Grauniad's particular contribution to all this, then?
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Gambrinus posted:Do you think we need a dedicated paedophile thread on here then? (Yes, that sounds a bit weird).
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notaspy posted:I get the feeling that the Tories are the worst ones of the lot (for a change) Haha, for a change? Did you miss the entire 80s and 90s? Now there's the possibility that Thatcher's government covered up a paedo ring, and one of her Home Secretaries is a rapist.
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Gambrinus posted:Do you think we need a dedicated paedophile thread on here then? (Yes, that sounds a bit weird). We did actually have a paedogedden thread when Yewtree started up. This seems like an appropriate place to revive it given this sort of long-running but mostly slow-burning story doesn't really suit the monthly format of the UKMT.
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shrike82 posted:It does seem odd to lump phone hacking and paedogeddon together unless there's some connection I'm missing. All British institutions are either metaphorically or literally loving children.
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Hypothetically if it is revealed all three parties were covering up paedophilia and/or had paedophiles in their ranks what the hell happens? Where does Britain go from there domestically or regarding its international standing? Are we heading for a thousand year Farage (assuming nothing connects to Hamilton or other ex-Tory kippers)? Or do the Sun's sales figures in the aftermath of phone hacking suggest that as long as none of the paedophiles were immigrants or helping the unemployed the public wont care?
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There have been a fair few apologisers for the celebrity paedophile hunt (it's a witch hunt, it was a different time, but he was so nice on TV! He's old now what's the point?) but I don't think politicians would get off so lightly. To be fair though, I think there will just be a lot of noise, maybe some of the older members getting their P45 and a lot of talk about moving forward.
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I'm of the mind that paedo stuff would have stayed covered up if the wider hacking and corruption hadn't been exposed. This is where the guardian cones in. They didn't go along with this one rogue hacker line and kept digging which uncovered the Milly dowler story. It was this that blew the whole thing open and put the institutions of the land against each other. You could argue the paedogeddon was on the cards once the newsnight report was buried but we'll never know.
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HortonNash posted:Now there's the possibility that Thatcher's government covered up a paedo ring, and one of her Home Secretaries is a rapist. Its a LOT worse than that if whats been alleged for over 2 decades is true. Hell there is one former male Tory Prime Minister (now deceased) who has been implicated in it, and its possibly his 'tastes' that caused the whole cover up of them all to happen. It all stinks yet they have good form for hiding it in plain sight, take Lord McAlpine, who was before his death the largest collector of pedophile artist Graham Ovenden. People can now happily say this as hes dead so you cant be sued for slander, even though the fact he had the largest collection of Ovenden's work is on public record and therefore not slanderous.
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:I don't think there's been one since Aatrek was around  nice
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notaspy posted:I'm of the mind that paedo stuff would have stayed covered up if the wider hacking and corruption hadn't been exposed. This is where the guardian cones in. They didn't go along with this one rogue hacker line and kept digging which uncovered the Milly dowler story. It was this that blew the whole thing open and put the institutions of the land against each other. I think it's a lot more to do with Yewtree et. al, with Ore (flawed as it was) being the initial spark. People are realising that something was/is deeply, deeply wrong in society and that sex offenders don't necessarily lurk in the shadows and leap out of bushes, they can be people who you see on television every day. The only real contribution of the phone hacking scandal is making people realise just because it sounds like a ludicrous conspiracy doesn't mean it's not actually true.
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shrike82 posted:It does seem odd to lump phone hacking and paedogeddon together unless there's some connection I'm missing. Milly Dowler.
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