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thehustler posted:Obviously it was all down to Nick Davies, but the point is that the Guardian let him do his job, don't interfere, and trust him. That's their role in this. They will bankroll his work and just know that he'll get the work done. Davies was actually on the PIE/child abuse story back in the 90s too.
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shrike82 posted:It does seem odd to lump phone hacking and paedogeddon together unless there's some connection I'm missing. Corruption in the upper echelons of power
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Jul 7, 2014 10:11
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I still can't believe there was an organisation called the paedophile information exchange
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Jul 7, 2014 10:25
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Jose posted:I still can't believe there was an organisation called the paedophile information exchange I first heard about it in a Tom Sharpe novel, so I assumed it was a joke he made up. I thought the same about NAMBLA, for the same reasons. It's just proof of the old saying that truth is always stranger than fiction because fiction has to be internally consistent.
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Jul 7, 2014 10:44
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Jose posted:I still can't believe there was an organisation called the paedophile information exchange What does the existence of PIE say about how child abuse and paedophiles were regarded in the 70s? The people behind it were willing to out themselves publicly as paedophiles, so was it just not considered a big deal? Or were they pariahs trying to jump on the civil rights bandwagon?
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Jul 7, 2014 11:04
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ukle posted:Its a LOT worse than that if whats been alleged for over 2 decades is true. Hell there is one former male Tory Prime Minister (now deceased) who has been implicated in it, and its possibly his 'tastes' that caused the whole cover up of them all to happen. I'm not going to Google the guy for obvious reasons but is that an artist who is a pedophile but who's work is not explicit or an artist who created sexually explicit works with underage subjects? If so why weren't they both done for possessing child porn in any case?
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Jul 7, 2014 11:19
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Crashbee posted:What does the existence of PIE say about how child abuse and paedophiles were regarded in the 70s? The people behind it were willing to out themselves publicly as paedophiles, so was it just not considered a big deal? Or were they pariahs trying to jump on the civil rights bandwagon? Bit if both, it was an era when all the old norms were getting challenged so these guys came out from the shadows and stood up for paedosexuality and were somewhat accepted by the civil rights movement. This is why there was once a connection in the public eye between male homosexuality and paedophiles. Then everyone came to their senses and treated these abusive cunts the way they deserved.
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Jul 7, 2014 11:23
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Munin posted:I'm not going to Google the guy for obvious reasons but is that an artist who is a pedophile but who's work is not explicit or an artist who created sexually explicit works with underage subjects? Nude / semi clothed pictures of underage subjects Munin posted:If so why weren't they both done for possessing child porn in any case? As its 'art'. There were attempts to get him done for creating child porn about a decade ago but they ended in rather questionable circumstances. Ovenden was done last year for indecent assault on one of his underage models; somehow managed to get off with a suspended sentence. ukle fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 11:24
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Munin posted:I'm not going to Google the guy for obvious reasons but is that an artist who is a pedophile but who's work is not explicit or an artist who created sexually explicit works with underage subjects? If so why weren't they both done for possessing child porn in any case? Graham Ovenden (Guardian article, you're safe clicking the link). He is a rather famous artist and photographer who did portraits of naked children, for decades. And then he was convicted of abusing children (historic abuse), and people "suddenly realised" that his pictures of little girls with their legs spread weren't quite as innocent as they first thought. I think this was probably another case of the "great and good" protecting their own (he was feted by critics, hung in the V&A and Tate etc), until it became impossible to continue. McAlpine was apparently quite the fancier of Ovenden's work, read into that what you will.
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Jul 7, 2014 11:33
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Pretty soon it's going to be hard to get a photo of Thatcher where she isn't in the company of a known sex offender.
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Jul 7, 2014 11:36
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JoylessJester posted:Pretty soon it's going to be hard to get a photo of Thatcher where she isn't in the company of a known sex offender. Depending how far up this goes, that may end up applying to solo photos as well.
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Jul 7, 2014 11:42
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Darth Walrus posted:Depending how far up this goes, that may end up applying to solo photos as well. Nah Thatcher didn't like to gently caress minor's just Miner's.
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Jul 7, 2014 11:54
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ukle posted:Nah Thatcher didn't like to gently caress minor's just Miner's. Milk Snatching?
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Jul 7, 2014 12:05
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If it turns out Thatcher was involved in hushing things up, that'll rip the Tories apart because so many of them were either directly connected to her at the time or today identify themselves as her acolytes. Are we going to see someone thrown to the wolves to protect the memory/brand of the Iron Lady? Admittedly, the idea of Thatcher becoming as toxic a name as Savile or Rolf is quite appealing.
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Jul 7, 2014 13:56
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I'm reminded of those early Hellblazer comics where Tories are literally demons from hell. Turns out it may not be that far from the mark.
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Payndz posted:If it turns out Thatcher was involved in hushing things up, that'll rip the Tories apart because so many of them were either directly connected to her at the time or today identify themselves as her acolytes. Are we going to see someone thrown to the wolves to protect the memory/brand of the Iron Lady? For this reason alone strenuous efforts will be made to keep her out of it. If it turns out there were paedophiles in her cabinet she'll likely become a Rebekah Brooks type figure who was simply unaware of her underling's crimes. Attempts to push it further will be vehemently dismissed as lefty smears. Of course if it turns out there were paedophiles in any Labour cabinet they'll argue anyone who even served as a PPS to a non-paedophile cabinet member in the same cabinet will be attainted for life.
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Jul 7, 2014 14:11
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Hypothetically if it is revealed all three parties were covering up paedophilia and/or had paedophiles in their ranks what the hell happens? Where does Britain go from there domestically or regarding its international standing? Are we heading for a thousand year Farage (assuming nothing connects to Hamilton or other ex-Tory kippers)? Or do the Sun's sales figures in the aftermath of phone hacking suggest that as long as none of the paedophiles were immigrants or helping the unemployed the public wont care? 'Mistakes were made, here, look at all these dead people who we've just discovered were the whole conspiracy'. Then two years later we go around again. Public inquiries don't blame the living.
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mfcrocker posted:Corruption in the upper echelons of power Bingo, these incidences of corruption don't happen in isolation, many are part of the same networks of corruption, so I think it's worth discussing things like Daniel Morgan, phone hacking, paedophilia cover ups as part of one subject. Exaro just published a summary of the story so far here, plus all the background work they've been doing (which is a lot). Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 14:18
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Payndz posted:If it turns out Thatcher was involved in hushing things up, that'll rip the Tories apart because so many of them were either directly connected to her at the time or today identify themselves as her acolytes. Are we going to see someone thrown to the wolves to protect the memory/brand of the Iron Lady? It looks like it's a cross party coverup, so likely it'll gently caress up all the political parties except the ones not involved. So it's UKIP all the way to No10.
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Hats off to the PM, he is announcing an enquiry BUT it'll cover the NHS and the BBC along with government. Can anyone guess which organisation (s) will come off the worse? To the point they will need total root and branch reform, something best handled by the market.
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Jul 7, 2014 14:38
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notaspy posted:Hats off to the PM, he is announcing an enquiry BUT it'll cover the NHS and the BBC along with government. Can anyone guess which organisation (s) will come off the worse? To the point they will need total root and branch reform, something best handled by the market. All previous inquiries showed that "People that knew were terrified of saying anything because of his connections to the government and the fact that people very quickly lost their jobs if they brought it up" but sure, investigate the BBC and the NHS again. I'm sure it'll give some new insights.
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notaspy posted:Hats off to the PM, he is announcing an enquiry BUT it'll cover the NHS and the BBC along with government. Can anyone guess which organisation (s) will come off the worse? To the point they will need total root and branch reform, something best handled by the market. Depressing how blatant and accepted this method of deflection is, to the point where the BBC report actually leads news of the enquiry by name-dropping itself and the NHS "as well as other major institutions" rather than any focus on Westminster.
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Pasco posted:Depressing how blatant and accepted this method of deflection is, to the point where the BBC report actually leads news of the enquiry by name-dropping itself and the NHS "as well as other major institutions" rather than any focus on Westminster. That's what they think neutrality sounds like. I used to cheer that element of the BBC that actually reported stories negative of itself unlike the private outfits, but it's not like the proud self-critique has actually improved it at any point.
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Peter Wanless, CEO of the NSPCC, will review the abuse claims. I'd be interested to know how they selected him - the NSPCC's main area of expertise these days is blowing huge amounts of money on marketing campaigns that don't accomplish anything as far as we know.
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Jul 7, 2014 15:50
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Well he'll be able to find if any senior public figures are satanists I suppose.
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OppyDoppyDopp posted:Peter Wanless, CEO of the NSPCC, will review the abuse claims. I'd be interested to know how they selected him - the NSPCC's main area of expertise these days is blowing huge amounts of money on marketing campaigns that don't accomplish anything as far as we know. Social workers in particular are very critical about what the NSPCC actually "does"
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Gonzo McFee posted:It looks like it's a cross party coverup, so likely it'll gently caress up all the political parties except the ones not involved. So it's UKIP all the way to No10. Somehow it will turn out that farage was responsible for all the cover ups. All of them.
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Brown Moses posted:Coulson is being done for perjury Uh oh, that could be up to another 7 years at Her Maj's Pleasure.
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Jul 7, 2014 17:39
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Brown Moses posted:Coulson is being done for perjury Will that be relating to the Tommy Sheridan case?
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this sick filth posted:Will that be relating to the Tommy Sheridan case? Presumably. I can't stand Tommy Sheridan but that was a really good move, getting Coulson to deny phone hacking under oath.
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Jul 7, 2014 18:19
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this sick filth posted:Will that be relating to the Tommy Sheridan case? That's the one, more details on it here.
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Jul 7, 2014 18:20
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Piers Morgan has opinions about Coulson and Cameron. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...ct-9588925.html quote:Hell hath no fury like a spurned Piers Morgan. 
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Jul 7, 2014 18:27
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marktheando posted:Piers Morgan has opinions about Coulson and Cameron.
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marktheando posted:Piers Morgan has opinions about Coulson and Cameron. Oh Piers, if only a single person on Earth liked you, your complaining might gain traction 
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Jul 7, 2014 18:48
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marktheando posted:Piers Morgan has opinions about Coulson and Cameron. I'll never get the blatent "Sure these people did incredibly illegal things BUT THEY DID SO MUCH GOOD AS WELL" as if you can literally karma balance your life. Killed a guy while driving drunk? Just hope you've volunteered at homeless shelters for 10 years and that brings it back to neutral.
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JoylessJester posted:Pretty soon it's going to be hard to get a photo of Thatcher where she isn't in the company of a known sex offender. Or war criminal or both!
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:Someone post the story about Piers joking at parties about hacking into people's phones. Is anything coming of this (well, phone hacking at The Mirror in general)? The last I heard he was being questioned by police and he seems so obviously guilty of something, but nothing seems to have happened yet. I guess they might have been waiting to see how the first round of trials worked out?
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There was a report on channel 4 news about children sexually abusing other children. There is literally nobody who isn't a pedo.
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HortonNash posted:Haha, for a change? Indeed. You couldn't walk without stumbling over another TORY SLEAZE headline.
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