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Jerry Cotton posted:No because most 'Western' people today who listen to (non-radio) music listen to it off CDs. I haven't listened to music from a CD in many, many years, and I know no one else that does either. Maybe my grandfather does (but even he uses spotify now). It's all streaming, either from a NAS or spotify. I still buy CDs though, to support artists I like. There's still too few good alternatives to buying FLAC for a lot of the music I listen to. 
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KozmoNaut posted:I actually thought to myself "Why doesn't mullet dude just order those European releases straight from Europe over the... Oh right, 1985 Cars, since using your phone will destroy the battery life, and actual radio sucks.
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Jul 13, 2014 19:09
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GreenNight posted:Most cars nowadays have a USB port where you can throw mp3s on a thumb drive and listen to tunes. "Most" as in "in United States"? Many places in Europe still drive with 5-10 year old second-hand cars, mostly budget models, and in Asia and other places stuff is even more barebones. New cars? Absolutely. Cars that make most of the driving fleet? Not so much.
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Yeah that makes sense. I'm 32 and have a decent CD collection still, which I still listen to but only in my car. USB tech still isn't very good for sorting and playing only specific folders (as if each folder was a CD). Of course I tend to just use Pandora off my phone connected to my car via Bluetooth.
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KozmoNaut posted:Are you sure? Because just about everyone I know listens at their computers or MP3 players. Whenever I go visit friends and family, all of the CDs that used to be proudly displayed are gone, and no CD player-equipped stereos in sight. Instead they stream everything, either directly from a NAS or from a streaming provider. We've got three major providers here, and they all offer sizeable libraries and decent sound quality. Why have a giant CD collection taking up space, when you can store it all on a hard disk and/or stream it? I had over 650 CDs at one time and the shelving units I used to store them were about 3'x4' (it took two and I had to put box sets on a regular bookshelf). I broke down all the jewel cases and everything fits into two of these:  I put the booklets & backing cards into four 2" binders and the whole lot is sitting in the closet.
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Der Kyhe posted:"Most" as in "in United States"? Many places in Europe still drive with 5-10 year old second-hand cars, mostly budget models, and in Asia and other places stuff is even more barebones. Hardly even in the US. But it is kind of hard to say one thing for the whole US, since it covers so many regions, and so many soci-ecnomical levels. If you lived in a rich area, where people consistently bought new cars, then sure. I haven't owned a vehicle newer than 10 years old. I still have an Mp3-cd capable radio I bought, god 10years ago thaI use. I've been looking to replace it with one that has a USB or just an internal SSD. The only person I know who has purchased a NEW vehicle, is my aunt. She drives a lot for work, so kind of needed. She put over 300K miles on a Santa fe! 
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KozmoNaut posted:Why have a giant CD collection taking up space, when you can store it all on a hard disk and/or stream it? Most people don't have giant collections of music.
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GreenNight posted:Of course I tend to just use Pandora off my phone connected to my car via Bluetooth.
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cheerfullydrab posted:Pandora is pretty obsolete and belongs in this thread. I have no idea why people still use it. Because people like the convenience of picking what kind of music they want to listen too with out having to make play listen or collect songs?
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I open Pandora when I just want to listen to music in the background and it does a fantastic job of doing that.
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Speaking of obsolete services, here's something on Prodigy: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/where-online-services-go-when-they-die/374099/ On a related note, I'm curious as to how online shopping worked in the early days around the late 80s and early 90s. Was it just as simple as providing a credit card number and having things shipped to your door? How secure was any of this?
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karl fungus posted:Speaking of obsolete services, here's something on Prodigy: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/where-online-services-go-when-they-die/374099/ Wow. That brings back memories. I was on Prodigy from 1992-1995 mainly to interact with fellow MST3K fans.
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Pandora is just absolutely terrible, its interface, its ads, its selection. There's a whole lot of other services that do the same thing better. Not obscure services and not better in an "install linux" way. Spotify's radio is better and it's not a product that's unknown. Pandora can't go away fast enough.
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Elliotw2 posted:Cars, since using your phone will destroy the battery life, and actual radio sucks. Using Bluetooth to connect my phone to my car stereo doesn't drain the battery that much. It uses maybe 10% every hour. Even so, I can just plug the phone into the stereo's USB port to charge it. I guess it might be more if you were streaming music from the internet, though.
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Also almost every car has a cigarette lighter socket (or auxiliary power outlet in newer cars) and a decent car charger costs less than a CD. Content: I'm going to say CD changers in general but especially in cars. They're just too mechanically complex compared to a single slot player and are notorious for breaking down (often trapping your six favourite disks).
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Jerry Cotton posted:No because most 'Western' people today who listen to (non-radio) music listen to it off CDs. Not even my ex buys CDs any more. 
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karl fungus posted:Speaking of obsolete services, here's something on Prodigy: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/where-online-services-go-when-they-die/374099/ I can't remember the year of my first eBay purchase, but PayPal hadn't been invented yet. I paid by calling the seller - it was a business auctioning the item - and gave them my credit card number over the phone. From there, it was shipped to my door.
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Last Chance posted:Actually, I think the most impressive part is how they were able to get the CDs and tapes to automatically load themselves into the player. I'd pay top dollar for that feature, even now! I donno, tractor beams are pretty outdated as a loading mechanism these days. Most players since ~2010 use transporters to beam the cassettes into the player, saves having a hinge for the door.
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cheerfullydrab posted:Pandora is just absolutely terrible, its interface, its ads, its selection. There's a whole lot of other services that do the same thing better. Not obscure services and not better in an "install linux" way. Spotify's radio is better and it's not a product that's unknown. Pandora can't go away fast enough. Seriously spotify does everything pandora does and more. Why stick with such a poo poo service?
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Plinkey posted:Sega also did this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Channel which was awesome. I had sega channel for about a year or two before it got replaced by an N64. It did sometimes take up to 5-6 minutes to download the 500ish kb games though. Worth the wait. I had Sega Channel; it was great except that it only had enough save RAM for one game, so loading a different game would erase your save for the previous game. It was basically a one-way cable modem. Since there was no uplink, it couldn't request a particular game; instead, it was just constantly broadcasting the various games. When you selected a game, it would have to wait for the game you selected to start being broadcast before it would actually download, which lead to highly variable download times. I would always get up early on the first day of the month to check out the new selections of games. cowtown has a new favorite as of 03:48 on Jul 14, 2014 |
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Base Emitter posted:Not even my ex buys CDs any more. This wasn't about buying CDs though.
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karl fungus posted:On a related note, I'm curious as to how online shopping worked in the early days around the late 80s and early 90s. Was it just as simple as providing a credit card number and having things shipped to your door? How secure was any of this? I think as late as 2000 I paid for an ebay auction with a money order. I would get the total from the seller, go to the bank or post office and get a money order in that amount, and mail it to the seller. The seller would ship after receiving payment in the mail. I think some would take a personal check but would wait until it cleared the bank.
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SybilVimes posted:OTOH, I just yesterday saw an ad for Type IV cassettes for 44p each, so I guess cassette isn't totally dead, yet. Cassette is making a comeback, for precisely the same reasons it disappeared in the first place. Cassettes died because they were easy to rip off; CDs were preferred not just because they sounded better but because you needed specialist equipment to make a duplicate CD and burning the discs at top speed took ages. Now we all use MP3 players, it's much easier to copy music on CD - you just stick it in a PC, rip the tracks to file in seconds and torrent them all over the world. Meanwhile, it requires specialist equipment to rip MP3s from tape and they take ages to copy manually. As a result, cassettes are becoming popular with small musicians who want to sell their music to more than one person.
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More like it's popular with musicians who don't want anyone to listen to their music because who the gently caress owns a tape player in this day and age
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The Twinkie Czar posted:I think as late as 2000 I paid for an ebay auction with a money order. I would get the total from the seller, go to the bank or post office and get a money order in that amount, and mail it to the seller. The seller would ship after receiving payment in the mail. I think some would take a personal check but would wait until it cleared the bank. As a Canadian, I hope there is special place in hell for every American that bought something from me via a money order and didn't have the sense to send the peach one instead of the green one. And yes, I would occasionally have to wait for some fool who wanted to pay by cheque too. Anyway, the CD itself might not yet be an obsolete technology, but the writeable CD is certainly speeding towards that distinction. Maybe someone is still using them instead of any of the better options to back up data, but the last time I used one was to write an audio CD for a blind guy I work with. CDRs seem to be getting more expensive and harder to track down in a physical store too, which is a sure sign they're heading towards obsolesce. I never see more than a couple spindles at a store, and they're approximately twice the price (per disc, many times more for data capacity) of a DVD. Interestingly, the same blind guys tells me that Braille is generally falling out of use. If you have ever seen a Braille book, you would know why - they are huge. Apparently screen readers for the blind are quite accurate so there just isn't much need. He says it really only comes up on elevators and other public places if he can't find anyone to ask. As for audio DRM, I would love to know just how much time and money was plowed into that was so easily circumvented with an hour to spare and a $1 wire from the dollar store. The same argument can be used against the cassette thing Jedit is positing - as long someone is going to listen to that tape once, they have played it exactly as many times as is needed to create a digital copy of it.
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A lot of people use CD-Rs for sneaker networks* just because there's huge stacks of them (empty CR-Rs not sneakers) everywhere. Yes, an USB drive would be a better way but  *) Thanks to stupid limits on e-mail attachment sizes, mostly.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Thanks to stupid limits on e-mail attachment sizes, mostly. Speaking of obsolete technologies, why is this still a feature on modern email systems? Things I have never heard anyone say: "Thank god we have an attachment size limit, it would make my life so much harder if it weren't there".
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Sir_Substance posted:Speaking of obsolete technologies, why is this still a feature on modern email system? Probably because of the fact that around 100% of users never delete messages.
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Sir_Substance posted:Things I have never heard anyone say: People I guess you've never talked to: server administrators.
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Because dumb gently caress users try to email a couple dozen 20-meg tif files to an external address.
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GreenNight posted:Because dumb gently caress users try to email a couple dozen
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Manky posted:People I guess you've never talked to: server administrators. I'm not sure they're capable of human communications.
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Some dumb-gently caress once requested (without any intention of actually reading through it I'm sure) a hard copy of a certain contract with all of its attachments. I saw it being delivered by a forklift truck. It was on an EUR pallet stacked about knee-height with binders.
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Na'at posted:Seriously spotify does everything pandora does and more. Why stick with such a poo poo service? I don't use music streaming services very often, but when I do, it's specifically in the hopes of finding new music to listen to. Pandora lets me build a station based on some artists I like and away it goes. Spotify works in sort of the same way, but for some reason every time I've tried to use it it tries to play certain songs constantly, like as often as every fourth song. gently caress Spotify right in it's stupid rear end.
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File size limits on email are a good thing given how emails are delivered, processed, and stored. Email as a whole is another technology that is really out of date. I wouldn't go so far as to say it is obsolete, but it has a lot of limitations due to how it is implemented.
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KozmoNaut posted:I remember some of the later Bang & Olufsen tape player could skip tracks with reasonable accuracy and stop fast-forwarding by themselves once the hit the next track. I always thought that was pretty neat. I have a twenty-year old Yamaha tape deck that can do this. It fast-forwards to the start of the track, then has to reverse a bit because it overshoots (I guess it works by detecting the end of a silent stretch of tape). It also has a preview mode where it will play the first half minute or so of each track.
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Lowen SoDium posted:File size limits on email are a good thing given how emails are delivered, processed, and stored. I think it doesn't have enough limitations. It should all be plain text (whatever that means in a computing context) with quotes above answers. 
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Jerry Cotton posted:I think it doesn't have enough limitations. It should all be plain text (whatever that means in a computing context) with quotes above answers. Trying to keep mailings formatted so they display cleanly in a majority of mail clients is an ongoing nightmare here. How many ways are there to display one mailing given one simple page of HTML + CSS? Way, way too many
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