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JustJeff88 posted:and I thought that perhaps a 120hz model would help avoid the stuttering that can happen with gaming systems. That's because consoles are not very powerful and a TV won't fix that.
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leidend posted:I honestly didn't laugh until you mentioned you wanted a built in DVD player. Also you should probably not be using component cables unless you aboslutely have to. Use HDMI. I'd still try to save up a couple months til you can afford a little bit more. They don't make flatscreens with DVD players built in unless you're looking at weird off brands that shouldn't really exist. You should probably read through the OP of this thread again - I'm really not trying to be rude here but this is kind of an odd post.
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I bought a Vizio 42" M422I-B1 a few days ago from Best Buy, but noticed the corners are improperly back lit. I returned it for another one and it seems like it still has the same issue. Is this a common thing? Are Vizio's generally hit and miss?
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It's really a common thing on all edge lit LCDs from $500 Vizios to $3000 Sonys. If you can't see it during normal viewing, don't drive yourself crazy about it. If it really bothers you, buy a 2014 Vizio that's full array backlit.
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shortspecialbus posted:Certainly, but I think you're overthinking this. There's not a lot to it. Here we go.
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bull3964 posted:It's really a common thing on all edge lit LCDs from $500 Vizios to $3000 Sonys. If you can't see it during normal viewing, don't drive yourself crazy about it. Yeah I quickly learned to eliminate any TV that said "edge lit" during my recent hunt. They all look like poo poo.
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kri kri posted:I appreciate this but I am not willing to drill holes in the walls for this project as I am renting. Fair enough, although they're rather small holes that you could pretty easily spackle up. I've drilled way worse than that in rentals, spackled them up, and never had an issue. But that's obviously your call.
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leidend posted:They all look like poo poo. No TV has perfect uniformity under all circumstances. My friend just picked up a new 2014 M series Vizio and while the full array backlight helps with situations like this, it's not immune to blooming. Regardless, I still wouldn't trade my edge lit W900A for one even though the Vizio is substantially cheaper. Despite being edge lit, my W900A has better blacks and the color accuracy is quite a bit better (at least after just 2-pt white balance calibration.)
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There's also a third type that has full backlighting but no local dimming, for the record.
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bull3964 posted:If it really bothers you, buy a 2014 Vizio that's full array backlit. It does bother me when Vizio's website says the model is "Full Array LED". I didn't actually know the difference before I bought the thing :\ http://store.vizio.com/mseries/m422ib1.html I guess I can return it for something else.
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Tiggs posted:It does bother me when Vizio's website says the model is "Full Array LED". I didn't actually know the difference before I bought the thing :\ Huh, I though the B1 was 2013 and the B2 was 2014. Looks like they change that designation per screen size. My friend bought the 55" version of that TV this past weekend and I didn't notice the corner issues. I wonder if only the smaller ones show the issue.
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Tiggs posted:It does bother me when Vizio's website says the model is "Full Array LED". I didn't actually know the difference before I bought the thing :\ I heard Scott Wilkinson discuss Vizio's Full Array LED and that the less premium televisions they sell with "Full Array" has a negligible effect, looking into further I think Amazon tells you how the feature is implemented into each size set.
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I'm returning my LG 60LB7100 for the Vizio M602I-B3. Edit: Done, and I like the vizio much better than the LG. The FALD is very nice, the blacks are very black and the TV looks great. r0ck0 fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Jul 16, 2014 |
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bull3964 posted:No TV has perfect uniformity under all circumstances. My friend just picked up a new 2014 M series Vizio and while the full array backlight helps with situations like this, it's not immune to blooming. Regardless, I still wouldn't trade my edge lit W900A for one even though the Vizio is substantially cheaper. Despite being edge lit, my W900A has better blacks and the color accuracy is quite a bit better (at least after just 2-pt white balance calibration.) So on this topic, I was just watching Hobbit Desolation of Smaug last night on my new Samsung un65h7150 and when the credits rolled I realized the flashlighting was really noticeable. Is this bad enough to be concerned enough to take this monstrosity down off of it's wall mount, pack it up and take it back for an exchange? Is it possible that wall-mounting it by it's very nature is going to contribute to this effect? 
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Tab8715 posted:Is there any reason why I wouldn't want to buy this Vizio M602I-B3? I don't really care for any of the Smart TV Features as I'll be using a HTPC or PlayStation 4. Screen quality is pretty important to me... Sorry for the thread necromancy but did you end up getting this TV? I am in a similar position: wanting a new TV primarily for playing PS4 and watching sports and movies and was looking at the 55'' version of this Vizio: http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M552i-B...#productDetails I am also looking at similar models from Sony and Sharp (my last TV was a 46'' Sharp Aquos that I am only upgrading from because I don't have the original packaging and this moving company is charging $300 to move it.) I will be pulling the trigger within the next couple weeks so any input would be appreciated.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Sorry for the thread necromancy but did you end up getting this TV? I am in a similar position: wanting a new TV primarily for playing PS4 and watching sports and movies and was looking at the 55'' version of this Vizio: http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M552i-B...#productDetails I got the 60" ver of this TV and it's been pretty sweet so far. There are calibration settings on the net you'd want to do on every god drat input, but it looks pretty great. I've been mainly watching Dish and playing Steam. No problems.
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MMD3 posted:So on this topic, I was just watching Hobbit Desolation of Smaug last night on my new Samsung un65h7150 and when the credits rolled I realized the flashlighting was really noticeable. Is this bad enough to be concerned enough to take this monstrosity down off of it's wall mount, pack it up and take it back for an exchange? Is it possible that wall-mounting it by it's very nature is going to contribute to this effect? I don't recall seeing anything like that for my tv, but I don't usually watch a black screen either. I will test it to see. Mine is not wall mounted yet, need to get an electrician out to put an outlet on the wall first. Now that I have this tv, I am looking to sell my old one. Does anyone know how much a 65" Mitsubishi DLP would go for? It is this tv here: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-FDfr8AMNp2R/p_690WD65733/Mitsubishi-WD-65733.html( I have never heard of the company but it is the first link that came up). The DLP chip failed and was replaced in 2011 or 2012, it has 3 HDMI ports and a USB port, so it is not THAT ancient.
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GreenNight posted:Probably get $500 for it or so. That sounds good, higher than what I was thinking anyway. I guess we need to see what people actually offer first.
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As mentioned, I got a Sharp Aquos 70UQ17U a bit ago. Prior to this, I've only owned plasmas, as far as HDTVs go. While doing calibration last night, I noticed that the black is very "splotchy." On an all black screen, there's significant splotches of lighter color throughout. It's not concentrated in the corners or anything - I could try to get a picture if asked. What I wanted to know was if that's considered normal for LED TVs. If so, I'll just get used to it. It's quite noticeable on a pure black screen, and somewhat noticeable on a dark scene in a movie. The rest seems to have calibrated pretty well, based on my first gen Spears and Munsil blu-ray running through an Oppo BDP-103.
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I saw the TV that I liked from Amazon in a SEARS and the viewing angles sucked rear end so I've been looking at this instead http://www.sears.com/samsung-51inch-class-1080p-600hz-plasma-hdtv-pn51f5300afxza/p-05775373000P?prdNo=6&blockNo=6&blockType=G6 For whatever reason it's way cheaper at SEARS than even on Amazon and the picture looked pretty nice. I think my main questions are what this 600hz bullshit is all about and whether or not the 47ms input lag will bother me. Also I realize that Plasma screens aren't as ridiculous as they used to be (permanent health bars are great) but some reassurance that I won't regret it over an LED would be nice.
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shortspecialbus posted:As mentioned, I got a Sharp Aquos 70UQ17U a bit ago. Prior to this, I've only owned plasmas, as far as HDTVs go. While doing calibration last night, I noticed that the black is very "splotchy." On an all black screen, there's significant splotches of lighter color throughout. It's not concentrated in the corners or anything - I could try to get a picture if asked. What I wanted to know was if that's considered normal for LED TVs. If so, I'll just get used to it. It's quite noticeable on a pure black screen, and somewhat noticeable on a dark scene in a movie. I don't think I quite made it clear enough that I was actually asking a question here - Is splotchy black normal on non-plasma HDTVs?
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shortspecialbus posted:I don't think I quite made it clear enough that I was actually asking a question here - Is splotchy black normal on non-plasma HDTVs? I'm not an expert, but as I'm hoping to make a purchase soon, I've been researching like mad. I think the answer is yes, especially with frame-dimmed lcds, blooming and splotchy blacks are fairly common. I've also read a lot of folks talking about the "panel lottery" and that these kinds of effects can vary wildly even within specific models.
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AhhYes posted:I'm not an expert, but as I'm hoping to make a purchase soon, I've been researching like mad. The panel lottery is more related to who the underlying manufacturer is. For instance vizio has three companies make their panels, one being sharp, I forgot the other two. One easy way to help get the best TV from the model you choose is to get the one with the latest manufacturing date. The idea is that the later TVs will have the manufacturing flaws worked out and should be in good working order. Also this is only really possible if you buy from a B&M store with stock on hand.
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r0ck0 posted:The panel lottery is more related to who the underlying manufacturer is. For instance vizio has three companies make their panels, one being sharp, I forgot the other two. One easy way to help get the best TV from the model you choose is to get the one with the latest manufacturing date. The idea is that the later TVs will have the manufacturing flaws worked out and should be in good working order. Also this is only really possible if you buy from a B&M store with stock on hand. I think I'll post a picture of it next week. I have a 30 day guarantee and I bought the protection plan anwyays so if it turns out to be more than it should be I'll just make them come get it and bring me a new one.
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Are curved panels just this year's gimmick or something we expect to stick around? I'm starting to look for a new TV to purchase this fall, and I'm tying to gauge what's actually worth paying for. I at least know that I'm skipping 4K for now 
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I'm going to go with gimmick. They are just throwing poo poo at the wall right now to see what gets people in the stores and buying TVs.
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bull3964 posted:I'm going to go with gimmick. They are just throwing poo poo at the wall right now to see what gets people in the stores and buying TVs. Yeah, gimmick is probably the right call, but they do serve to make the TVs almost as pretty turned off as they are on.
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It's less than a gimmick than 3D since it doesn't really detract from the viewing experience but it probably won't catch on.
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The curve is probably great if you're watching by yourself and sitting at the focal point but watching with other people won't be as nice. Plus it will be really goofy mounted on a wall.
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I won't be wall-mounting it, but this is definitely a concern:Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:The curve is probably great if you're watching by yourself and sitting at the focal point but watching with other people won't be as nice.
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Looking for a tv for my girlfriends place to use with a ps4/chromecast. I would much prefer to get it at costco, opinions on these sets? I don't know anything about JVC but this seems like a good deal. JVC EM55FTR - http://www.costco.com/.product.100103365.html Vizio E480i-B2 - http://www.costco.com/Vizio-48%22-Class-1080p-120Hz-Smart-LED-HDTV-E480i-B2.product.100100168.html
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kri kri posted:Looking for a tv for my girlfriends place to use with a ps4/chromecast. I would much prefer to get it at costco, opinions on these sets? I don't know anything about JVC but this seems like a good deal. I have that Vizio and it looks really nice for the price. The interface is sluggish and there's some quirks with it (stupidly narrow IR cone, only one button on the TV). There's not much lag in game mode. Overall I'm very pleased with my purchase. And since you mentioned Chromecast, it's worth noting that that TV will actually show up as a device you can cast to. I know that works with Youtube and Netflix, at least. So you can "cast" to the TV and it will open the video in one of the native apps. It doesn't work as slick as an actual Chromecast but it was good enough that I put my Chromecast on another TV. Also, it will automatically switch if you cast to the TV, but you have to manually switch inputs if you cast to a Chromecast plugged in to it.
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kri kri posted:Looking for a tv for my girlfriends place to use with a ps4/chromecast. I would much prefer to get it at costco, opinions on these sets? I don't know anything about JVC but this seems like a good deal. JVC is made by amtran, which I believe also makes some of Vizio's TVs (and part owner of Vizio, too). You lose local dimming and full array led for a direct lit led panel, but it will probably be decent enough if you just want a tv to watch stuff on. Neither are actually 120hz, but 60hz panels with backlight blanking to imitate 120hz panel refresh. The JVC comes with a roku stick, while vizio is a full smart tv. They do have the 55" e series there for about 100 more than the jvc, though.
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One thing to note though, Vizio actually does the R&D on their TVs. Current JVC TVs are just a rebadge of some generic brand design. JVC doesn't really have much involvement with them.
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Thanks for the replies. Looks like vizio might be the best bet. Also looking at this LG one for $550: http://www.costco.com/LG-47%22-Class-1080p-120Hz-Smart-LED-HDTV-47LB6100.product.100106877.html Fake 120hz doesn't sound very appealing, how do I tell if a set is true 120hz? My budget is $600 or under.
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Bestbuy lists the true refresh rate on their site, so for many TVs you can just look it up on Bestbuy.com. Otherwise you need to Google it usually.
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Aphrodite posted:Bestbuy lists the true refresh rate on their site, so for many TVs you can just look it up on Bestbuy.com. Thanks - from what I can tell the E550i-B2 has a refresh rate of 120hz according to: http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/vizio-lcd-tv/vizio-e550i-b2.html and http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-e-series-55-class-54-5-8-diag--led-1080p-120hz-smart-hdtv/3320006.p?id=1219090455813&skuId=3320006 is this not the case, is this TV actually 60hz?
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I heard Vizios have different quality panels on different sizes, is there something I should be worried about on the 60' version of that tv? http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?skuId=3730007&pid=1219093274066&pcatId=pcmcat193400050018
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