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The official translation is up at CrunchyRoll. It's pretty close to the leak, but has Jean calling himself an idiot rather than someone unable to be ruthless.
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I really like how the manga plays around with unreliable PoVs. Armin and Jean saw a different facial expression on the interior MP's face. Marlow saw a gun, when it was just a stick.
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Jul 10, 2014 01:05
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Seeing as how the next release is imminent, it got me thinking. It's kinda surprising how irrelevant Eren has become these past eight chapters, considering he's the key to everything going on in the story, and may just be the strongest person in the entire world. I get the feeling he'll be back in center stage again soon. quote:Does anyone else get the feeling like Isayama has been lying to us and Jean is actually the main character of this series? Sure Eren is more important, but Jean feels much more like the protagonist than Eren at this point. How many times and for how long has Eren been the MacGuffin/damsel in distress now? The series has evolved to a ensemble cast, like for example Games of Thrones, instead of being focused on a single heroic main character. Now it's the story of Eren, Mikasa, Armin, Levi, Sasha, Jean, Hange, Connie, Historia, even Reiner, Bertolt, etc. We had entire chapters where the plot thread was a group which didn't hae Eren, Mikasa or Armin, chapters that were flashbacks of other people in the group like Sasha, etc. Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jul 14, 2014 |
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Jul 14, 2014 23:40
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Thinking about it, I feel like the Titans will ultimately be revealed to be some kind of attempt at relieving humanity of the burdens of being human gone horribly wrong. When Eren disappears into his Titan form upon commencement of the operation to take back Trost, he finds himself lost in a happy memory of his family together in their homes. It's something that he doesn't want to come out of, and only emerges from with the help of Armin. There is also the bit with Pixis telling Eren about the belief that a common foe would bring humanity together. Perhaps whoever or whatever created the Titans though they could put all of humanity in a state of permanent contentment and happiness by causing them to disappear into a form which is nigh indestructible and requires no food and very little sunlight to continue to function. The fact that something went wrong and it is the Titans themselves who united against a common foe, and mindlessly and relentless pursued the consumption of that foe, would fit thematically with the idea of unifying against a common enemy. Not entirely sure where the ape titan fits into all of this.
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Jul 16, 2014 19:09
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Monkey Trouble will never be brought up again, not even by the characters. Everything else will resolve without answering what his deal was, leaving fans confused and angry for decades.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:07
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Terper posted:Monkey Trouble will never be brought up again, not even by the characters. Everything else will resolve without answering what his deal was, leaving fans confused and angry for decades. 
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Jul 16, 2014 20:10
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threeagainstfour posted:Thinking about it, I feel like the Titans will ultimately be revealed to be some kind of attempt at relieving humanity of the burdens of being human gone horribly wrong. It could be the typical "biological weapon from past age that went out of control".
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Jul 16, 2014 21:03
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Turin Turambar posted:It could be the typical "biological weapon from past age that went out of control". I think it's almost certainly going to be some sort of technology run amok, but I think it's going to turn out that it was never meant to be a weapon.
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Jul 16, 2014 21:47
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threeagainstfour posted:I think it's almost certainly going to be some sort of technology run amok, but I think it's going to turn out that it was never meant to be a weapon. It could be something that started as transhumanism "positive" technology but later there were factions that clashed each other for whatever reason and started using it in offensive ways, hundreds of years later the losing faction are the few humans remaining.
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Jul 16, 2014 23:58
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Turin Turambar posted:The series has evolved to a ensemble cast, like for example Games of Thrones, instead of being focused on a single heroic main character. Now it's the story of Eren, Mikasa, Armin, Levi, Sasha, Jean, Hange, Connie, Historia, even Reiner, Bertolt, etc. We had entire chapters where the plot thread was a group which didn't hae Eren, Mikasa or Armin, chapters that were flashbacks of other people in the group like Sasha, etc. At this point, Eren is basically a running joke about shonen protagonists and damsels in distress, though.
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Jul 17, 2014 00:11
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oh man this series is getting 2spooky4me Spoof on Titan 33
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Terper posted:Monkey Trouble will never be brought up again, not even by the characters. Everything else will resolve without answering what his deal was, leaving fans confused and angry for decades. I'm sure he's in the basement that supposedly exists under Eren's old home.
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Jul 17, 2014 01:34
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threeagainstfour posted:Thinking about it, I feel like the Titans will ultimately be revealed to be some kind of attempt at relieving humanity of the burdens of being human gone horribly wrong. The previous chapter actually subtly revealed the truth of why Titans devour humans. Titans or rather the human inside the titan devours other humans in the off chance one of them is a titan shifter, so it's pilot may regain their humanity. It's a process the pilot has no real control over. With the "Coordinate" having the ability to issue orders and Annie's powerset existing, I think Titans were always intended to be or modified to be a weapon. I did like Eren's happy moment because while it clashes with his desire for freedom and exploration- maybe the hint is that's his real desire. Or maybe it's like when Ymir said that she was trapped in an endless nightmare it's a situation where they are both trapped in a tranquil environment, but not what they really wanted. quote:Monkey Trouble will never be brought up again, not even by the characters. It sure seems that way, but Ymir said that "the situation in the walls will soon become a hell" so either there is another attack imminent, or maybe another memory purge by the conspirators.
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I still hold to my belief that there are three factions all originating from the same radical enviromentalist group centuries ago bent on the destruction of most of humanity due to our effect on the planet. Titan Village, who are the purists and believe in a rough agrarian lifestyle and not associating with non-titan humans. And in turn had a truce with the Royalists, who want a higher quality of life by keeping a tiny portion of humanity alive to manipulate as an economic base to support their affluent lifestyles. And finally the extremist, the monkey titan, a loner, probably the former leader of the radical enviromentalist group who fervently believes all humans must die, whether they have titan abilities or not, and had previously been unaware of the existance of the wall civilization or titan village and probably the most powerful titan there is with a range of abilities including Eren's commander ability.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:It sure seems that way, but Ymir said that "the situation in the walls will soon become a hell" so either there is another attack imminent, or maybe another memory purge by the conspirators. I'm pretty sure she was referring to the fact that society within the walls is already breaking down due to the territory and resources that have already been lost.
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Jul 17, 2014 16:26
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I wonder if Eren's coordinate powers could possibly force titans to turn back into humans.
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Jul 17, 2014 16:52
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AshB posted:I wonder if Eren's coordinate powers could possibly force titans to turn back into humans. Is that possible? I thought the entire reason why the Shifters could control their Titan forms was because their bodies weren't fully dissolved within the Titan. Eren over-exerted himself as a Titan, and found it harder to control himself as his real body started to dissolve.
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AshB posted:I wonder if Eren's coordinate powers could possibly force titans to turn back into humans. I doubt it. Becoming a titan seems like a semi-permament transformative process. The titan becomes your body. That being said there is the possibility for a cure. quote:I'm pretty sure she was referring to the fact that society within the walls is already breaking down due to the territory and resources that have already been lost. Ymir is a smart girl who is in the know to the truth of the world, but how could she know that? The people still support the monarchy, because they appear to be working for everyone's best interest. Even a horrific and de-humanizing event like the purge after the fall of the walls didn't bring down the government because the argument could be made it was done with humanity's best intentions in mind. Now that I think about it, even the real goals of the conspirators within the walls is like that. They just want to keep their lifestyle and influence over people- but do have shades of wanting to do what's best for humanity. Whatever "preventing war" is. Even King of the Assholes Rod Reiss appears to genuinely care about the people in his life. Edit: Though- not saying you're wrong either. It's a good point. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jul 18, 2014 |
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You could be correct and there might be more to it, but the writing has been on the wall (groan) since they lost Wall Maria.
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I guess it's kind of a wacky thought, but I thought it would be interesting and not especially implausible if the coordinator powers could turn titans back into humans. Although the power to control titans is very useful, the power to turn them into humans again would probably have a way bigger impact to the new context of the story. The story has recently taken a turn to suggest that titans were created by humans, possibly for some kind of power play. If somebody could undo everything that's been done, imagine the intrigue. It's probably too off the wall though.
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I think that in the same way that there is a "control the titans" coordinate, there are "shifter" coordinates, which allow the person to still being himself and revert the transformation, be a shifter in other words. That's why when a normal Titan devours a shifter he regains the ability to be human again.
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Hey sorry to barge in homies-- if I watched the anime, where can I pick up where it left off in the manga?
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Razzled posted:Hey sorry to barge in homies-- if I watched the anime, where can I pick up where it left off in the manga? Chapter 33 I believe. Or right before. The last fight is different in the manga.
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Turin Turambar posted:I think that in the same way that there is a "control the titans" coordinate, there are "shifter" coordinates, which allow the person to still being himself and revert the transformation, be a shifter in other words. That's why when a normal Titan devours a shifter he regains the ability to be human again. I don't think those are mutually exclusive. All the shifters we met so far seem capable of keeping their sanity and controlling their transformation. Eren just kind of sucks at it more than the others, that's all.
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AshB posted:I don't think those are mutually exclusive. All the shifters we met so far seem capable of keeping their sanity and controlling their transformation. Eren just kind of sucks at it more than the others, that's all. No, I'm talking of why shifters are that, shifters, and normal Titans can't control themselves. Every shifter (including Eren) has a Shifter coordinate, which also is transferable.
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HorseRenoir posted:Is that possible? I thought the entire reason why the Shifters could control their Titan forms was because their bodies weren't fully dissolved within the Titan. Eren over-exerted himself as a Titan, and found it harder to control himself as his real body started to dissolve.
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It's also likely that the mindless titans were at one point weapons of war that could be controlled by groups of coordinate Titans, but for whatever reason the ability to coordinate titans was lost/sabotaged by another group, leading to the current state of affairs where the world is swarmed with mindless titans eating every human they can get their hands on.
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I wonder if the place wherever Bertholdt and Reiner are from actually knows about the whole government conspiracy and wanted Eren's power to overthrow the government or otherwise somehow act against their interests. Maybe those two aren't as bad as we might currently think.
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I think that Reiner's group may have had very different expectations of the inside of the walls before they arrived. Reiner says that their original goal was just to kill everyone and that discovering Eren was a side objective. We haven't seen what the three of them where like during the first attack, but during the second Reiner is looking for any excuse he can to stall. "No let's wait a little longer", "Lets go help relieve the castle instead of sneaking off", "Look mysterious human titan, investigate!". It could be that they knew, or at least believed, that someone inside the walls was responsible for the Titans. So they set up a plan to let the titans inside and eat everybody, then either they discover the coordinate, or one of the feral titans eats them and becomes it. Once they're inside they realise that most of these people are unaware of the conspiracy and become allot more hesitant to carry out the original plan. Especially after they become friends with several other trainees.
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Turin Turambar posted:I think that in the same way that there is a "control the titans" coordinate, there are "shifter" coordinates, which allow the person to still being himself and revert the transformation, be a shifter in other words. That's why when a normal Titan devours a shifter he regains the ability to be human again. Turin Turambar posted:No, I'm talking of why shifters are that, shifters, and normal Titans can't control themselves. Every shifter (including Eren) has a Shifter coordinate, which also is transferable. and you are using the term for all titan abilities
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Jackard posted:These posts are weird because the comics refer to the Coordinate, capital C, as the "control titans" ability (which is probably more engrish from this author and is supposed to be Coordinator) I'm speculating with more types of coordinates, taking as example the Coordinate we know and other details given in the plot.
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The abilities are not "coordinates", that term is referring to a specific ability.
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AshB posted:I wonder if the place wherever Bertholdt and Reiner are from actually knows about the whole government conspiracy and wanted Eren's power to overthrow the government or otherwise somehow act against their interests. Maybe those two aren't as bad as we might currently think. My theory on this is they wanted to kill all the humans in the walls to establish themselves inside, safe from the titans or perhaps the mysterious magilla gorilla faction. Or they wanted to kill all the humans so that there are no more titan reinforcements. They would be the only humans left who are significantly more powerful than an army of normal titans. On finding Eren, they don't need anything within the walls anymore. The crisis ends, but humanity remains enslaved to the conspirators within the walls. quote:I think that Reiner's group may have had very different expectations of the inside of the walls before they arrived. My educated guess toward the titan-shifter faction is: A. They teach the youth that humanity in the walls are all just awful people who's lives mean nothing. Or the needs of the wall humans are inferior to their own needs. Annie, Berthold, and Reiner did not expect to make friends or find people they genuinely care about. The gravity of what they did only hits them after they've grown up some. I like to think Annie apologizing to Mina's corpse was her personal wake up call to what they've done to the humans in the walls. B. Whoever is the leader of the titan shifter faction believes in the "Darth Vader" school of rewarding failure, with how utterly terrified the infiltrators are of failure. Annie cried out of frustration when Eren was stolen from her. Ymir points out that they can't go back home empty handed. As in, coming back without success is not allowed. C. Both of Reiner's personalities are likely the ideal paragon of that society. So you can make some smart guesses as to what each side prefers. Reiner's warrior personality is much more aggressive for example. Tellingly, they both are really big on self-sacrifice. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Jul 22, 2014 |
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Wow, just read the whole thing. Don't normally read any sorts of comics at all. Doesn't look like we'll find out much about King Louie for a while yet, which I think is a shame.
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Yes, EVERYONE. LOVES. MIKASA. except Eren. SoT part loving hell
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ful posted:Wow, just read the whole thing. Don't normally read any sorts of comics at all. Doesn't look like we'll find out much about King Louie for a while yet, which I think is a shame. I caught up last month too after watching the anime on netflix and I still can't believe they haven't gone to the goddamn basement yet. Like to the point I feel like I fundamentally misunderstood how many walls got knocked down or which one got plugged up again.
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Krinkle posted:I caught up last month too after watching the anime on netflix and I still can't believe they haven't gone to the goddamn basement yet. Like to the point I feel like I fundamentally misunderstood how many walls got knocked down or which one got plugged up again.
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The first episode of the anime had him within walking distance of both the outer gate, watching the rangers come in and cry about dying in vain, and the inner gate when everyone ran to the boats and sailed twenty meters into the next ring. So I'm thinking wall to wall city in the outer ring and also the outer ring is not unfathomably large. When they were hookshotting all over the city in the middle part of the anime I am thinking "this is reclaiming the outer ring again, that rock smashed erin's house and now it is plugging up the hole. This is thematic and now they can go see what is in the basement." But now they're in the actual outer ring and they ride horses all day through empty land and occasionally find a city or abandoned castle while looking for the hole in the wall and I don't understand the world anymore.
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Missing Name posted:Yes, EVERYONE. LOVES. MIKASA. Have you seen the one with the 1.5m titans and her?
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