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dont settle for less
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Bloody posted:what the gently caress is ddate ddate is for discordian-format dates i don't think sl is part of centos, though
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Jul 22, 2014 19:00
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prefect posted:ddate is for discordian-format dates kill urself
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Jul 22, 2014 19:21
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This system with the ability to download and install from a wide repository of apps at a moment's notice doesn't have an app I really care about preinstalled! I am really mad at this!
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Jul 22, 2014 19:31
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Suspicious Dish posted:This system with the ability to download and install from a wide repository of apps at a moment's notice doesn't have an app I really care about preinstalled! I am really mad at this! I hate e-mailing the sysadmin for these things
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Jul 22, 2014 19:42
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It's free software
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Jul 22, 2014 21:49
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Mr Dog posted:oh noes a linux intended for serious commercial applications doesn't include a le epic monkeybacon date printing program yeah, but it's your dad's epic ninja bacon joke. it's unix history. you see, when an unfunny joke gets old, and it's loved by fat greybeards very much, a tradition is born
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Jul 22, 2014 21:59
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yeah, but it's your dad's epic ninja bacon joke. it's unix history. recursive acronyms are awful
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Jul 22, 2014 22:06
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pram posted:osx (an official UNIX) has dc my macs seem to have both dc and bc ~/$ bc bc 1.06 Copyright 1991-1994, 1997, 1998, 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. For details type `warranty'. quit ~/$ ~/$ ~/$ ~/$ ~/$ dc 6346620 420 / 69 / p 219 quit ~/$
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Jul 22, 2014 22:09
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Symbolic Butt posted:I hate e-mailing the sysadmin for these things So the problem is "the only way to install software is globally, and requires the help of a sysadmin". Foiled by terrible package systems again!
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Jul 23, 2014 00:42
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the problem is that bc should totally be one of those utility unix things that is included in every linux by default like awk I also have a beef with ubuntu not including rsync but I guess you could argue that it's not "classic" enough idk
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Jul 23, 2014 01:10
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bc is in the posix specification
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Jul 23, 2014 01:12
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Symbolic Butt posted:the problem is that bc should totally be one of those utility unix things that is included in every linux by default like awk We can't include every app out of the box. That's what a good app installation experience is for.
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Jul 23, 2014 02:47
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Suspicious Dish posted:We can't include every app out of the box. That's what a good app installation experience is for. you should include all the apps that i want out of the box  p.s. have you guys updated your git package yet? 
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Jul 23, 2014 13:07
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Symbolic Butt posted:the problem is that bc should totally be one of those utility unix things that is included in every linux by default like awk i actually like a system to come with as little as possible ootb, to keep image sizes small and to keep vendors honest (i.e. no implicit dependencies)
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Jul 23, 2014 15:55
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if you are worried about a system having the right things installed when you log into it, you have already made at least two mistakes 1. you don't have configuration management set up correctly to guarantee those packages are installed 2. holy poo poo why are you logging into a system interactively? it's 2014, centralize your logging and configuration management
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Jul 23, 2014 15:56
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Suspicious Dish posted:We can't include every app out of the box. That's what a good app installation experience is for. fedora has a very nice app installation experience that normal human beings can navigate and it will also boot from a usb key in like 30 seconds basically they made the right call on this poo poo
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Jul 23, 2014 15:57
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:2. holy poo poo why are you logging into a system interactively? it's 2014, centralize your logging and configuration management lol good luck with centralized logging when you have an actual large network
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Jul 23, 2014 15:59
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notorious bsd can you explain what 'logging in interactively' means? like, i gotta type in my username and pass to log in. That's what interactive means to me. What other way is there?
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Jul 23, 2014 16:01
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:fedora has a very nice app installation experience that normal human beings can navigate Why do you think we spent so much time on it? For reference, the previous "app installation experience" was debating over what photo manager to install by default, since if you didn't like it, users had to hunt through a sea of cardboard box icons trying to figure out what the gently caress "libvalagee-gir-data-1.2" is and why it showed up when you searched for "photoshop"
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Jul 23, 2014 16:09
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Careful Drums posted:notorious bsd can you explain what 'logging in interactively' means? you are doing something wrong if you need a shell prompt on a linux host
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Jul 23, 2014 16:10
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yeah but what is it that i'm doing wrong? serious question because i don't loving know poo poo about networking and stuff
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Jul 23, 2014 16:11
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i just run the install script, make me a username / pass, add myself to sudoers, and off i go into a linux install wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Jul 23, 2014 16:12
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Sniep posted:lol good luck with centralized logging when you have an actual large network i know how this game works, no matter how much log traffic i've seen in the wild, you have another definition of "large" but i have seen centralized logging done with 80 gpbs of log traffic alone across four continents. whatever loving network you have, it's 2014, not 1994. we're not stuck with syslog on 10 mbps networks anymore. centralized, indexed, searchable logging is feasible at any scale.
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Jul 23, 2014 16:13
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that sounds loving coool
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Jul 23, 2014 16:14
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whats the prettiest linux please linux nerds?
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Careful Drums posted:yeah but what is it that i'm doing wrong? use configuration management + automated deployment to put servers up and down. use your centralized log database to examine application problems. the only time you should ever need an interactive shell is when one of these things is broken.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:whatever loving network you have, it's 2014, not 1994. we're not stuck with syslog on 10 mbps networks anymore. centralized, indexed, searchable logging is feasible at any scale. that's not our business. we're not going to invest the kind of money to make this a reality when things are just fine how they are. there is centralized logging from one angle but not full system logs because why? you can just get them from the system in questino.
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Jul 23, 2014 16:16
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lol if you're cjing linux individually just lol
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Sniep posted:lol good luck with centralized logging when you have an actual large network  how bigs ur network
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Jul 23, 2014 16:17
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Awia posted:whats the prettiest linux please linux nerds? dont worry i found it http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/
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Sniep posted:that's not our business. we're not going to invest the kind of money to make this a reality when things are just fine how they are. there is centralized logging from one angle but not full system logs because why? you can just get them from the system in questino. lmao
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Sniep posted:that's not our business. we're not going to invest the kind of money to make this a reality when things are just fine how they are. there is centralized logging from one angle but not full system logs because why? you can just get them from the system in questino. you are a greybeard from the 80s. welcome to the modern world. labor is expensive. computers are cheap. anything that minimizes labor pays for itself in months, not years. lol at "investing the kind of money" in logging. a setup to centralize logging for 99% of businesses on earth would cost less than a single sysadmin salary
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centralizing logging saves you shitloads of labor because developers can examine problems and trends directly instead of leaning on personal connections to systems administrators or filing paperwork with service bureaus furthermore, avoiding interactive shells on servers is critical not just because automation is faster, but because every interactive shell is an opportunity for human error it costs a hundred times as much to fix your dumbfuck mistakes as to just not loving break it
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Jul 23, 2014 16:20
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why are you being so goddamn verbose when you should just be saying use Puppet and Splunk
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Jul 23, 2014 16:32
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ahmeni posted:why are you being so goddamn verbose when you should just be saying use Puppet and Splunk because those names sound dumb as poo poo?
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Symbolic Butt posted:because those names sound dumb as poo poo? also the greybeards probably don't know what those are by name tbf neither would the normal people, but hey linux thread
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splunk has the most irritating license model. realtalk bsd what are you using for your log centralization?
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Awia posted:whats the prettiest linux please linux nerds? Fedora because it uses GNOME 3 by default and doesn't try to "fix" it in stupid ways imho GNOME 3 is far and away the prettiest looking desktop out there at the moment and that's including OSX perhaps not the most functional (although it Suits My Needs) but definitely the prettiest
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