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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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SFH1989 posted:I really like the 195/60R15 Continental Extreme Winter Contacts I have for my (non ST) Fiesta. They work great, especially after I rigged up a way to turn off traction control. Plus they kind of match the DWS' I have for the rest of the year. DWS for the months when there's less than 1-2" of accumilation Winter Extreme for the months where it's likely to snow alot and stay on the ground for more than an hour. The Winter Extremes match up almost exactly to the Blizzaks for about 75% of the price.
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Jul 9, 2014 17:38
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SFH1989 posted:Basically T/C doesn't help you in any decent accumulation of snow. This is because it only lets your wheels spin very slowly but snow tires are designed to work with wheel spin. The worst was an unplowed hill that took me 45min to get up that should have taken two. I guess perhaps BMW's is more lenient than some others? Or is it just when you are genuinely stuck that that allowing the wheels to spin helps? The only other TC's I've experienced has been in FWD hire cars (vauxhall and fords) in the wet, and they did seem much more violent and intrusive. Still, gently caress traction control systems without an off button.
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Jul 9, 2014 22:03
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veedubfreak posted:DWS for the months when there's less than 1-2" of accumilation I've found the General Tire Altimax winter tires to be excellent as well. They do as well as the Blizzaks with the downside being some fairly noticeable road noise. Cheap though.
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Jul 10, 2014 03:55
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I thought winter tires were designed to clean themselves of snow by flexing under the weight of the car, not by flinging it off using wheelspin. In my experience, once the wheels start spinning freely, you're done for. Slow and steady and smooth wins the race. Wheelspin when setting off at intersections creates dangerous polished ice surfaces, the exact opposite of what you want for traction. And whenever I've driven in snow in my T/C- and ESP-less FWD car on winter tires, everything goes smoothly if I take it ease. The second I give it too much throttle, it just spins the tires and plows straight ahead.
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Jul 10, 2014 12:05
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Never had any issues with the TC on my Golf. Same thing happens, if I start to spin em, gotta stop and start over. I do enjoy watching people polish the ice trying to go up a 1% grade with lovely tires though.
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Jul 10, 2014 20:07
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KozmoNaut posted:I thought winter tires were designed to clean themselves of snow by flexing under the weight of the car, not by flinging it off using wheelspin. I'd really like a definitive answer on this, I wasn't aware that there was a specific way to drive in fresh snow/ice/slush mix other than extremely slow.
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Jul 10, 2014 22:13
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veedubfreak posted:Never had any issues with the TC on my Golf. Same thing happens, if I start to spin em, gotta stop and start over. My problem was the T/C cutting the throttle and limiting the engine to 1500rpm causing me to lose all momentum. Then once I was stopped it was very difficult to get going up the hill again since the tires couldn't spin and dig in. On flat ground or slight hills the T/C is fine. I'll still drive with it off because, lets face it, having driving aids turned off in the snow is a lot more fun. Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:I'd really like a definitive answer on this, I wasn't aware that there was a specific way to drive in fresh snow/ice/slush mix other than extremely slow. You can drive too slow in the snow. You just have to use you best judgement for speed, leave a lot of following distance, and remember you car will only do one thing at a time (stop, steer, or accelerate). Also turn your lights on, I really wish cops would ticket for this and cleaning snow off.
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Jul 11, 2014 15:20
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Laranzu posted:There is a TSB 13-9-7 That was it. Took a week for an appointment and a whole day to fix, but I got it back now at least.
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Jul 16, 2014 01:18
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veedubfreak posted:Never had any issues with the TC on my Golf. Same thing happens, if I start to spin em, gotta stop and start over. On my A3 I've had cases with really wet snow and all-season tires where the TC shuts down all attempts to turn the wheels. It allows essentially no wheelspin. Amusingly the dash is constructed to such tight tolerances that in such cold conditions it will sometimes shrink enough to jam the TC on/off button.
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Jul 16, 2014 01:53
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Snowdens Secret posted:On my A3 I've had cases with really wet snow and all-season tires where the TC shuts down all attempts to turn the wheels. It allows essentially no wheelspin. Amusingly the dash is constructed to such tight tolerances that in such cold conditions it will sometimes shrink enough to jam the TC on/off button. My A3 also has the super nanny TC system. It aggravated me enough last winter that part of my morning startup routine was to stab the TC off button so I could actually make it out of my driveway.
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Jul 16, 2014 04:32
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The Veloster's TC is either really good or really primitive. It lets the wheels slip quite a bit and doesn't step in unless you have one wheel going significantly faster than the other. In snow it's actually not too bad as it doesn't do that whole "no wheel slip for you!" That the nannying ones do. In other hatchback news, another ridiculous haul made possible because of the hatch  Gotta love hatchback utility.
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Jul 16, 2014 04:43
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Bajaha posted:Gotta love hatchback utility. 
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Jul 16, 2014 07:37
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Bajaha posted:The Veloster's TC is either really good or really primitive. It lets the wheels slip quite a bit and doesn't step in unless you have one wheel going significantly faster than the other. In snow it's actually not too bad as it doesn't do that whole "no wheel slip for you!" That the nannying ones do. That's less hatchback and more hatchtop
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Jul 16, 2014 08:01
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Snowdens Secret posted:That's less hatchback and more hatchtop Liftback 
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Jul 16, 2014 13:16
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stump posted:This has always confused me because my BMW ('04 e46 diesel, with winter tyres) always performed considerably better in the snow with traction control on. You could basically drive like a complete idiot (to an extent) and it would unfuck itself. The ASC in my Mini S never kicked in until there was snow on the ground, then it sucked. I ended up just always turning it off because any time I started moving and got any wheel spin it would just cut the throttle on me. It also understeered a lot in the snow, and despite ebrake slides being fun I didn't find it to be all that great at winter driving. Amusingly enough my S2000 with zero traction control was much easier and better to drive in snow, and I only had all seasons last winter
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Jul 16, 2014 14:12
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Bajaha posted:The Veloster's TC is either really good or really primitive. It lets the wheels slip quite a bit and doesn't step in unless you have one wheel going significantly faster than the other. In snow it's actually not too bad as it doesn't do that whole "no wheel slip for you!" That the nannying ones do. This is how the tc on my Golf works. If I stand on the throttle I can polish the ice, but it seems to be really good at giving just enough wheel spin for acceleration. I mostly bought full winter tires for stopping purposes. Out here people are complete shitheads when it snows and will haul rear end and cut in front of you just like it was dry outside. Plus my car seems to have a pretty heavy rear bias on the brakes and if I let the ABS do what it wants, the car slowly gets sideways while braking if you don't actually pay attention. Can't wait til the new R comes out. Looking forward to finding a parking lot after a fresh snow and disabling the nanny and getting stupid.
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Jul 16, 2014 17:45
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Bajaha posted:
How many tires is that? I assume you have the back seats laying down?
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Jul 16, 2014 17:50
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Gunktacular posted:How many tires is that? I assume you have the back seats laying down?
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Jul 16, 2014 18:03
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I hope this thread stays alive because hot hatches are the best type of car. Not too sure if these count has 'hot' but they are at least warm hatches. Pretty run of the mill but as I've just done washing them I thought you North Americans might get a kick out of them.   The black one is my father's car - a 2006 Japanese import Fiesta ST and the grey one is my mother's - a 2007 Swift Sport Very basic but functional interiors in both cases   Despite being quite close in size and concept the cars actually feel quite different to drive. The Fiesta feels like a much bigger car, everything feels heavier and there is a bunch more torque everywhere in the rev range. The Swift on the other hand feels more like a go cart, much better steering and gear change and the brakes are quite excellent (stops hilariously quickly) but on the flip side it feels comparatively gutless, is really short geared in 5th and the interior is made out of very lightweight plastics. On the other hand the paint on the Ford is about as hard as soft cheese (I realise black is always difficult to look after and shows damage easily but that doesn't account for just how easily the drat thing picks up scratches and stone chips) and the wheel centre caps just will not stay in place (which is why the remaining two are in the shed rather than on the car). I'm actually not sure which one I prefer to drive - the Ford is definitely quicker in a straight line and quieter but the Suzuki is just so much fun.
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Jul 26, 2014 04:38
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This is the first time I have taken a good look at an overseas FiST. What strikes me the most (besides being 2 door) is how cheap they made the interior look and how 'short' the dash is in comparison. Do any of them come with the Sony system or MFT? Is a 6-speed at least an option? They both look sharp but if we were going on looks alone, I think I like the Swift a little better. Thanks for posting them
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Jul 26, 2014 05:17
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First off, it's always greener on the other side and those two look like they're qualified as hot hatches, definitely look cool. And keep in the mind the FiST posted is an 06, so older than Ford's latest refreshes for designs and interiors. NA only got the ST trims on the newest gens, right? Haven't really heard much about performance models before what we know and love as the FiST and FoST. SVT versions maybe, but they were rare from what I recall.
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Jul 26, 2014 05:26
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NA only got the fiesta period with the newest gen.
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Jul 26, 2014 05:29
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You are right, I somehow missed the part about it being an 06. I it wasn't more than a few years old and didn't even realize that they had been making turbo Fiesta's anywhere that long ago. I also didn't know the the 'ST' badge was used before '12, I thought 'SVT' was Ford's performance badge at that time. For 06 that looks about right then.
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Jul 26, 2014 05:34
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Dr.Caligari posted:You are right, I somehow missed the part about it being an 06. I it wasn't more than a few years old and didn't even realize that they had been making turbo Fiesta's anywhere that long ago. I also didn't know the the 'ST' badge was used before '12, I thought 'SVT' was Ford's performance badge at that time. Not even turbo, it's just an N/A 2l Duratec. Goes pretty well in a lightweight car though.
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Jul 26, 2014 06:08
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The MK6 Fiesta was launched all the way back in 2002 too, although that is a facelift one. I always thought they aged very well.
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Jul 26, 2014 11:49
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While it's not the hottest hatch in the world, my dealership recently got a 2015 Forte5 SX with the 6 speed manual in stock. I took it for a spin today and its defintely a car with some fun personality. Makes all the right turbo noises from its 201hp 1.6l turbo I4 (same motor in the veloster turbo) and it looks real sharp with the 18" wheels, black accents and dual exhaust. If I hadn't just got my Optima SX-T in December it would definitley be a serious consideration. I miss having a wagon/hatch/liftback, trunks suck. 
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Jul 26, 2014 16:17
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kill me now posted:While it's not the hottest hatch in the world, my dealership recently got a 2015 Forte5 SX with the 6 speed manual in stock. I took it for a spin today and its defintely a car with some fun personality. Makes all the right turbo noises from its 201hp 1.6l turbo I4 (same motor in the veloster turbo) and it looks real sharp with the 18" wheels, black accents and dual exhaust. I've put 5k miles on my 1.6t so far and I think its pretty great. One note, on the veloster turbo there is a magnetically held bypass valve inside the intake air box. Remove it and 90% of the "surge" feeling goes away. No idea why its there in the first place, my gas mileage has improved a little bit too.
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Jul 26, 2014 16:32
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How's the Focus ST for a taller driver? I'm curious about that or possibly the GTI for my next ride since there are SFA options for wagons anymore.
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Jul 27, 2014 05:43
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priznat posted:How's the Focus ST for a taller driver? I'm curious about that or possibly the GTI for my next ride since there are SFA options for wagons anymore. I found the mk 7 GTI faaaaaar more comfortable.
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Jul 27, 2014 05:46
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Powershift posted:I found the mk 7 GTI faaaaaar more comfortable. That's sort of what I had figured based on other reviews, thanks. Kind of a bummer, I like a lot about that ST! Is it the recaros that poke in the back etc? (ST in Canada comes with the recaros standard iirc)
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Jul 27, 2014 05:50
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The legroom is the biggest difference. In the focus ST i have trouble getting my foot up on the clutch before my leg hits the steering wheel. The steering wheel seems to come to a more natural position in the GTI.
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Jul 27, 2014 05:53
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Oh that's a drag, I've had that on a few cars I looked at in the past. Subarus (impreza based) especially. The Mazdaspeed3 was fantastic though, shame they aren't making a new one (yet?). It is a pain finding a fun, practical car when you're very tall. Especially when people tell you "just get a truck!" For some reason (?!?)
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Jul 27, 2014 05:57
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My E39 is one of the few cars i can just sit strait down into rather than sitting down and spinning into. In terms of small cars though, the mk7 golf is one of the more comfortable cars i've found.
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Jul 27, 2014 05:59
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I have an E46 and without power seats or sunroof it is very comfortable for me, seat could even go back a bit further. E39 best BMW though  Don't like the new ones at all (also price) so that's why I'm looking at hatches now. Not in a rush though, my wagon is still ticking along fine. Just really like hot hatches 
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Jul 27, 2014 06:05
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priznat posted:I have an E46 and without power seats or sunroof it is very comfortable for me, seat could even go back a bit further. E39 best BMW though I'm still very pleased 6 months in with my Audi A3. It doesn't get a lot of love because it was just a really expensive VW GTI but for that same reason it seems to go cheap on the used market. Insurance is less as well. It also shares nearly everything but sheet metal with either the Golf or GTI so part prices haven't been bad at all. As a bonus you'll catch scorn from people who hate people who own Audi's AND Audi owners themselves for buying the cheap one.
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Jul 27, 2014 06:18
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I testdrove an A3 hatch ages ago for the fun of it, it was really nice. Mostly I wanted to check out the DSG which I thought was really cool. It's a shame Audi doesn't sell those here anymore, the A3s now are just boring sedans. 
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Jul 27, 2014 07:18
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priznat posted:I testdrove an A3 hatch ages ago for the fun of it, it was really nice. Mostly I wanted to check out the DSG which I thought was really cool. I believe thats only 2013 onward. Theres still lots of excellent used ones around.
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Jul 27, 2014 07:30
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Does anyone here follow the Red Bull Global Rallycross Series? I know, it's probably not real racing, but I just like the idea of hatches pulling 650 horses on a video game-y course with varying surfaces and jumps. On basic television, no less!
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Jul 27, 2014 07:46
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Is the States getting the Kia c'eed GT? It's meant to be a pretty fun little car.
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Jul 27, 2014 12:27
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Pulling Teeth posted:Is the States getting the Kia c'eed GT? It's meant to be a pretty fun little car. The US doesn't get the cee'd at all.
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