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Yes it isquote:Donating the books would have stripped the ritual of all meaning for the participants. They got something out of the books they bought by destroying them. And there's no shortage of 4e books out there in the wild for people to purchase and do other things with, if they choose.
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This is a topic for mature people. If you can't discuss a topic without demanding a banning of others due to being thin skinned, stop reading now. ------------------- The previous thread got me thinking about FR religions, and homosexuality in the realms. I try to imagine a fantasy setting as realistic according to its own logic, and as free as internal contradictions as possible. I also like to think that the fantasy setting is diverse in terms of thought, ideologies and practice. I hate to think that the realms is going to be homogenized (excuse the pun) in the sense that there is a company fiat that says the entire realms is tolerant of any lifestyle just because that is the way there are people that want that in the real world. That reminds me of the 1980s hysteria about satanic abuse and the affect it had on our game. In the forgotten realms why would a fertility god endorse homosexuality? It would seem to be internally inconsistent as being gay makes you five times less fertile than the average person (real world research and hopefully self evident to people here anyway). In that case wouldn't a fertility god be homo-averse (replacing the problematic word 'homophobic' ) ? By the same token a god of sensuality or new experiences may be homophilic. Imagine the god of tyranny and inequality. A god like this could possibly be neither home-averse nor homophilic. Instead this god may endorse only certain types of homosexual relationships. For example this god may permit his followers to penetrate, but not be penetrated, based on the tenets of the religion of inequality. (on a side note this is the common practice in many Muslim countries. Only the man penetrated is deemed to be gay and at fault) Likewise a god of domination or torture may only permit any kind sexuality within the context of painful or dominating sex, and outside that clergy (and perhaps some followers) may be completely chaste. What would a god of war think? It would depend on how homosexuals are in the battlefield. If homosexuals turn out to be good soldiers, or homosexual battlefield romances turn out to be good for soldier morale, perhaps the god of war supports it. If on the other hand homosexuals in the aggregate make poor soldiers, and morale is damaged, then the god of war may oppose it. I see this kind of image of the realms as a lot more realistic, diverse, and exciting than the idea that people of the realms are of like mind on a subject like this or any subject for that matter.
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Very basic antigrog:quote:book burning is absolutely idiotic, whatever the subject. Only worth mentioning because of the source. That was the RPG Pundit. And pure grog: quote:I divested myself ages ago; I had to go REBUY them so I would have something to burn.
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Most of ENWorld thinks this is icky, surprisingly enough. Except for a few who are ... outraged at the outrage? I have no idea. But here we go.quote:My group and I beat them to it by years.
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quote:This was a special one, just for 4e, to celebrate the return of D&D. It was supposed to take place just before the new starter set was released, but then WOTC went and released it to game stores a week early. 
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People have such a harsh and visceral reaction to book burning for a very good reason. The fact that they compare "an edition of D&D that I didn't like" to an actual trauma that they need comfort over is almost as pathetic. Lets look at what one of it's defenders has to say about women in sexualized armor! ~*~ To slightly shift gears into the "realism" part, I don't put much weight into that. You know why? Because if you want to be "realistic", then you'd put STR penalties back on women. The biggest argument against that is "it's heroic fantasy, so those limitations are dumb." That's actually an argument I can get behind. But I have to apply the same consistency to other things as well or I just become a hypocrite. If someone wants to play with a mail bikini and someone else starts in with "that's not realistic", the same answer applies. "It's heroic fantasy."
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Chaltab posted:Dungeons and Dragons 4th Edition: Just like a bad romance A bad romance where you set your ex on fire, apparently! Tax: I guess I have to just disagree--I prefer making those judgment calls as a GM. I'm kind of tired of the modern game design approach of protecting players from their GMs.
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unseenlibrarian posted:A bad romance where you set your ex on fire, apparently!  tax: quote:Wow really?
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Jul 29, 2014 13:57
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It is comments like this that are unhelpful. Burning the 4e books isn't a edition war starter all by itself. There is an implied preference for something else, but not a "4e bad, X good" which is usually needed for edition wars. ---- Burning 4e books: totally not edition warring.
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http://www.vice.com/read/notallroleplayers-a-history-of-rapey-dungeon-masters Name one game that is exclusively catered to men, the only sexism in gaming tends to either be negative or positive and is between players. Often girls getting a great deal of positive attention from male players, if they have an issue with it (which most of them have none and eat that poo poo like chocolate cake) they can simply leave or play with a different group. This article certainly came off as a joke, "FICTIONAL RAPE" i wonder if thats going to be a new thing pushed by the new wave feminists. Seriously no one was forcing her to play with him, he was in a weird socially retarded way probably trying to express his sexuality and that isnt illegal yet.
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Jul 30, 2014 00:40
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 Hmm, in real life people don't get to chose whether they are raped or harrassed or assaulted. Why the hell would players think that their PC's got to any more than they get to decide if they are attacked by a dragon or fall into the pit trap?
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Jul 30, 2014 00:44
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The hosed up thing is these are all linked to FB profiles. A realtor, ladies and gentlemen! ---- I dunnnnno, bards have told tales that our games is the rapey-est in town, a feat for young lordlings and ladies to follow, dare I say. Yet we rape liberally, and with gender equality. A fine night for male rape I say! HERE HERE! And as for pregnancy, why look fellow male adventure, you shall sire the child of destiny, you have but to roll a 6. Congratulations, you rolled a 6! A passing wizard has turned you into a woman, and raped you. You are now pregnant. Reply: Get a magical shirt of +1 rape, helps a lot.
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Jul 30, 2014 00:47
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quote:Yeah, I won't feel bad if someone says "Gee, you sure take book burnings seriously."
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quote:The idea that Zak S is trying to gatekeep the hobby is ludicrous. Can he be a pain in the rear end in an argument? Sure. Dude does not know when to let go of a discussion. However, I have never seen someone more willing to set aside differences and offer to just play a game with the people he'd argued with. "I didn't see it, therefore it didn't happen!"
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I like how he finds it weird that people don't want to confront Zak, which I guess means he's never seen what happens every single time Zak deals with someone who he disagrees with. Grog tax, from recent 4E PHB reviews on Amazon: quote:of 2 people found the following review helpful quote:2 of 2 people found the following review helpful quote:3 of 5 people found the following review helpful
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Jul 31, 2014 02:28
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quote:Now, rarely they get someone who have gotten false info from the villan or genuinly do not know anything of value. But if that happens too often they will stop torturing prisoners and that is no fun. (There's plenty more where that grog came from, all on the same topic.)
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So that Vice article. This is all a single poster, btw, not a series of terrible posters. Just one terrible poster.quote:As to the creepy DM pursuing the female player, that's certainly unpleasant, but it isn't even stalking, she came to his house, was not detained there, and could leave at any time. If I come to somebody's house for dinner and they start playing a pornographic video, and I stay, and watch, I don't later get the right to act as though as I somehow violated. Now I won't say that his actions weren't in poor taste. But first, we don't have the whole story, it's secondhand, and I wouldn't be likely to point a finger at her, but I would be likely to think that there may be more to the story, or maybe not, I don't know, but I know that we don't have enough information to make a good assessment. quote:The article did compare it to rape, rather than to indecent exposure, which is notably closer. And I'm not arguing that it's not creepy. But I'm arguing that I don't think that merely being creepy is the worst thing in the world. By staying in the game she is consenting to a degree, now I'm not saying that leaving is always easy, but as I said in my analogy, it's like going to somebody's house where they're watching porn, and then complaining about it after you stay for the whole thing. quote:And nobody is forcing her to participate here. She doesn't depend on it for her livelihood. She's not friends with the people in the game. Sexual Harassment without any threat or coercion backing it up is barely sexual harassment at all. I can say that I felt that I was coerced to drink, but unless somebody is making me drink with some actual coercion then it's my responsibility for participating. quote:Well there's certainly a reason not to be a jerk. I'm just pointing out that people are coming down very hard on the "THIS IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE FOR ANYBODY EVER IN ANY CONTEXT" which is what I have a problem with, and people are arguing that the lady involved had no responsibility in this, which is patently false. Again she has nothing to lose, she isn't friends with the people there, she met them on Craigslist, they don't know her socially and can't spread rumors or affect her reputation. So she has no incentive to stay, she chose to stay. And I'm not saying what the jerk did wasn't jerky, but I'm saying I don't believe it is as jerky as people are suggesting. quote:But there is certainly a consent present in that she didn't leave. That is consent of a sort. Again you are responsible for how other people affect you if you can leave without recrimination. I'm not saying that creepy DM isn't creepy, or that I think his behavior is socially acceptable. I'm saying that he is not the only person who has blame here. Also people stay in abusive relationships because they get something out of it! quote:Well maybe this guy doesn't know that, they met him on Craigslist, and apparently don't know him all that well. Maybe in his social circle that's fine quote:Well she clearly did know how to proceed, or at least went along with it. That's saying something. I'm not saying that he was not in the wrong. But I'm saying we're making pretty big assumptions about him misreading signals, when she did play along with it. quote:There was no explicit context. I would say that mild discomfort, is the best you could go for. It's not necessarily appropriate but it's not necessarily as bad as we are making it out to be. I wonder if it was an unattractive man that had been made to feel uncomfortable if we'd take the same tack. Of course that's entirely possible. But I doubt it. I had some issues the minute the author chose to include an image of "Lucy", who had her name changed but enough of her face included to probably identify her, I suspect to garner sympathy. I'm not saying that this was okay, I'm saying we are awfully quick to judge a story we only have one side of, and what is not an unbiased side. 
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quote:There does seem to be a zenn diagram confluence of social justice extremists, foot-washing storygamers and 4iers. Bonus points for not knowing what a Venn diagram is but thinking you're smart enough to use the term anyway. See also 'reductio ad absurdum', the misuse of which by people who think they know what it means drives me crazy.
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GorfZaplen posted:"I didn't see it, therefore it didn't happen!" quote:
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quote:What I can't defend is one player (male) who is playing a female (deva) who I've been having a bad habit of having men be interested in her, even when the player established that the PC is not interested in men. I've been falling back on men being in awe of her for her angelic heritage, when the player is clearly not interested in that reaction. I think he would prefer that people would treat his PC no different than any other race, and as I type this out, the fact that I'm not doing this makes me feel icky. Now I'm confused. Since when do we get exactly the kind of interest that we want? He chose to play the exact race he wanted, but if he wanted a half-angel, he should have probably considered that it only makes sense that people would react exactly as you describe! Because that's what people do, when they see someone related to someone powerful, they're interested in it, and her being angelically beautiful only helps. You don't want that, you don't play that race, just like with all the other races with in-built conflicts.
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I know I wear a fedora, but I am not a Fedora.
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Concept. Players create characters belonging to a black ops multinational unit. Officially its purpose is one of counter terrorism etc. Unofficially the unit acts as an instrument of vengeance for any and all countries within the United nations. The black ops unit however is under no jurisdiction other than its own and the commander put in place via a vote. Anytime a terrorist cell, militant group, gangs, rebels etc acts against one of these countries they become a target. The black ops unit then sends in a small team 2-5 highly trained, elite operatives from various special forces and from different countries involved. These agents will then proceed to terrorise there targets as they have innocent civilians. Friends and family of targets are the first to be eliminated before they themselves are put down for good. This acts as a deterrent for others to take his place and ending the groups activities. It's supposed to be a dark, mature themed action rpg. I know some of the themes can be a touchy subject for any one affected by atrocities committed by evil individuals and groups and in know way is this intended to offend. The idea came to me after reading/ watching horrific crimes, massacres etc in foreign countries by militant groups. I thought to my self how would they like it, probably not at all. Then onto thoughts of how revenge is best served to people like that, when the justice system fails to do so. Any thoughts will be much appreciated.
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John Tarnowski posted:When People Try to Own Minorities Scott Anderson posted:It's exactly like owning minorities. We see it all the time in US politics. Slimnoid fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Aug 1, 2014 |
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quote:"It is tempting to believe that the RPG community is not ‘that bad’, but it is, it is the worst community I have ever known." "At least we're not Hamas or Peta or... feminists."
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Thanlis posted:Concept.  tax: more Vice article stuff! quote:I was shown this poorly written article today by a friend. What the gently caress? Who are these imaginary people who create such elaborate fantasies of being word-raped by their DM? I feel a need to discuss this. quote:Haven't read article, but I've never met a female who was, on her own, interested in something nerdy. It has *always* been because a boyfriend/dad/sibiling/crush was interested in it quote:As some minor context, a woman who decided to comment about this on another forum claimed that she once played in a game that STARTED with her being raped. I need to find out where these lies start. Why do women tell them? I can't imagine any game starting in such a way just by complete surprise. There has to be some kind of special place these people gather to practice this horseshit. quote:
quote:This article is hilarious; does this happen in the real life? Every girl I have ever seen do nerdy poo poo of her own accord is rapey as gently caress (going by their definition of "word rape") and obsessed with necrobestial smut. quote:Make poo poo up and be sure to blame people for being white and male. You'll make hundreds. I'm not even picking and choosing, this is just the first six posts.
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^what the even gently caress ---- grogtax: So those emails with WOTC that RPG Pundit mentioned likely have something to do with this article from FailForward. quote:These are Zak and Pundit as I knew them when the news broke. It’s the image most were already familiar with: angry nerdboys who spent all their time trying to gatekeep the hobby. To me that was reason enough that they should never work in a game as influential as Dungeons and Dragons. But as the picture of their names in the credits spread, more information spilled out. Seeing their names there in black and white was just too much, and people began to speak out. Most did so in private, others posted publicly but without naming names. This, I became aware, was because anyone who criticised the pair found themselves subjected to harassment, abuse and real world stalking.
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quote:I disagree. I read a lot about this when this happened because I am a new gamer. From what I can tell someone lied about rape threats. As a woman lying about rape or receiving rape threats is a terrible thing to do because so many girls are unwilling to come forward when they are actually raped or threatened with rape. It also can ruin a boy's reputation. Someone lied. Other people endorsed that lie and after it was proven to be a lie they didn't come out and apologize. I don't think he really outed anybody because I found the Google + post and he just used their names they use on Google Plus or tied their google+ to their blogs.
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quote:My experience with Zak is that he uses facts, evidence, and logic to defend his posts, and when confronted with that, many of his detractors resort to personal attacks and worse. I like what he does for the hobby, and he is the only person I've ever defended for being banned here. He absolutely can be abrasive and insulting, but I don't consider that a damning offense. Of course, RPGpundit is a *bit* more acidic, although I think he is much more focused these days on productive activities rather than destructive ones. I've spent way too much time reading into the situation, and I think Zak is 99% in the right, and his detractors are wrong - however, I think he could've handled it much, much better to avoid all this. Then again, I appreciate him standing up to the silencing tactics that many people deploy these days. e: good lord, the whole thing is a mess — http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?732895-5ed-consultants-controversy Nancy_Noxious fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Aug 2, 2014 |
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quote:Being a known harasser is up there with being an infamous public gum chewer or a notorious chip bag rustler: Easily ignored if it troubles you.
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Can't just post that without the follow-up to people calling him out on it.quote:Harassment is a vague world that can go from 'he said things that made me sad' to actual criminal offences. Kobold eBooks fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Aug 2, 2014 |
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quote:>Also, for the record, if the world's strongest man can lift 1155 lb. then he should easily be able to wield motherfuckers to beat other motherfuckers to death. Look at it. Can you spot all the mistakes?
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quote:Flexibility in character design is good to a point, but after you reach that point I believe flexibility can ruin a game. A dwarf Monk or gnome Paladin doesn't excite me in the least bit, so that level of flexibility ruins that game for me. I'd rather have restricted races and classes, and then have deeper development into that. quote:Yeah that's kind of the great divide between people who like AD&D (1E and 2E) and those who like the later rules. AD&D never tried to make everything "equal", it was all about atmosphere and flavor. And Gnome paladins don't bother me as much as making every character class so equal they even all share the same experience table. (Although, I do like the idea of paladin retaining some of its historic and mythic feel as a mighty holy warrior. That's what most of those limitations are about. Opening it up to every race makes it more common and ordinary. I also LIKE the idea that choosing a race and class is a complicated process of looking at trade offs.) It's like now we have politically correct gaming. I'm okay with the idea of designing a setting where Gnomes may be Paladins, but I dislike the idea anyone can be anything anytime they want. Make those starting choices hard, and establish a distinct feel for the setting! Bolded by me. I guess this guy can't impose challenges upon himself when creating a character.
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quote:The same party as You Only Live Once regroups, this time with hopes of sanity. Presumably learning from her “mistakes”, Raggy’s player creates an obnoxious rich girl character, Rosetta, who bails Honza the barber out of police custody. [emphasis added]
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GitP tackles the important issues: Hot Chicks: CON or CHA? So I want to make a new character for an upcoming campaign and had the idea in mind to make this one chick which is really beautiful and charming, but very thuglike and greedy. A bit like Nami from One Peace if that says something to anyone here. And I wondered which attributes would be most fit for a character like this. Certainly Charisma is going to be big because of the social aspect. But to what degree does this determine the good looks (which is kinda important to me) of my character. As much as I understand it Charisma is the ability to have a nice appearance and be talkative. But the physique of the body is not affected, like at all. Constitution is all about your bodies shape, for males at least. But does it really make sense to put extra points in CON to have big boobs. Like, I don't have a problem with that, but the bonus HP is what confuses me. Hot Chicks aren't tanks, it seems unreasonable to me to think that every good looking character ingame has tons of HP. If I'm not mistaken, if you want to have a handsome looking male character ingame you have to put some stats into strenght and con. (strenght not being a factor for women because they don't need to be ripped) Are women an excuse with determining their beauty? Do you roll D20 during character creation, do you just tell the DM how your character should look like (male and female alike, no matter the scores) or do you determine it by their CHA score? How do you handle this kind of obscure problem? (grognards.txt - putting extra points in CON for big boobs) dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Okay, judging from the posts here we can safely say there are two groups of understanding the matter about hit points. MEAT GROUP believes that when you take damage, you are damaged. If you have 1 hit point left then you are injured and almost dead. If you are hit with a battleaxe you bleed, break bones, get concussions or a mixture of those. Here a healing spell put your organs back where they belong with magic. EMOTIONS GROUP believes that when you take damage what really get hurt are your feelings, if you have 1 hit point left you are sad, without any motivation. You only get hurt when you die, if someone hit you with an axe in the morning, leaving you with 1 hp, then later you are bitten by a rat and die, now the damage you have taken from the weapon before becomes physical. Here a healing spell represent wise words that inspire you and remove melancholy. It is clear that EMOTIONS GROUP is leading the argument, after all the game is being designed that way. In dnd5 a fighter can recover the "motivation" he lost from his enemies swords and claws once every rest. I am unmistakably inside MEAT GROUP, I can understand the other explanations, but they are boring to apply when you actually play the game. In my opinion the real problem here, apart from these interpretations, are CONSEQUENCES. If your character was bitten and then swallowed by a dragon then cut his way through the creatures throat with 1 hp, he will be completely fine 8 hours later, without any magical or even medical help! It is like nothing happened at all, there are no consequences, it can't get lamer than that! And since the books are almost out, most likely these rules won't be reviewed, every creature is equipped with super regeneration, that is final. Only house rules can turn humans back from the mutant gene. And finally here is a quote from Player's Handbook 3.5 page 145: "LOSS OF HIT POINTS The most common way that your character gets hurt is to take lethal damage and lose hit points, whether from an orc’s falchion, a wizard’s lightning bolt spell, or a fall into molten lava."
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If you don't want a game where player characters possess ridiculous regeneration and can bounce back from any injury in record time don't play 3eHalaster Blackcloak; 8/18/00 posted:Well, the more I read into the PHB, the less I feel like switching. For every thing I say "Yeah, cool!" to, there are three things that I say "Oh gods no!" to. Or at the very least, the "Oh gods no!" comments weigh more heavily than the "yeah, cool!" ones.
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Grogs continue to be angry about 5e's art, which is, you know, basically it's one major redeeming factor. The anger this time? THE PALADIN IS A HALF-ORC. AND SOME ARE WOMEN! ~*~ Firstly, when will there be a picture of say a paladin not wearing chunky armour, or super intricately detailed gear that must catch & jingle, or having a stocky build, or even being, oh I don't know, human and/or male? I'd have to go back to 2E for this image. Hmmm, that's what 15 years ago? Diversity can mean that a sample of the base archetype can still be included too. Then a roaring comic-styled half-orc? I guess we're trying to say paladins come in all kinds of shapes (but going by recent history never human or male). Well I guess I should be grateful it's at least on par with the substandard 3E class entry image and much better than the 4E calamity. Very unimpressive image-wise.
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Guy who doubts he'll ever play as a noncaster doesn't want noncasters to get nice things, even if they're specifically blessed by the King of all Dragons. Wants his noncaster buddies to respect and fear what he can do. quote:Personally, I doubt I'll ever play in a D&D game where I'm not some sort of caster. It's mostly for aesthetic reasons. I definitely prefer the caster style. Even in video games where I know I'll do better picking a hack-and-slash type, doesn't matter. I'll pick a caster 9 times out of 10. The reality-warping power is, however, a nice bonus.
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