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Maoist Pussy posted:They're ok sometimes. 
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Jul 31, 2014 19:41
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naem posted:It should though right? I mean the sin of "deciding when to have babies" would entirely be on those hot, horny young hobby sluts and not on a pure virginal business owner anymore well obviously it should be up to the hot young sluts to decide and tbh probably the dad too but that's pretty unfair to inflict on someone so until you can transplant a fetus from a womb to a tube to grow in i guess dudes are SOL
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Jul 31, 2014 19:43
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they want to make the language of state-required abortion literature more objective? this is their big troll? i fully support them in trying to make the literature as rational as possible. i wish they'd cite some specific issues they had with the literature, though.
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Jul 31, 2014 19:45
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Robo Reagan posted:well obviously it should be up to the hot young sluts to decide No way it should be some old guy who owns a chain of craft stores imposing his beliefs on other people and infringing on their religious beliefs
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Jul 31, 2014 19:46
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Kyrie eleison posted:i wish they'd cite some specific issues they had with the literature, though. how about it is christian propaganda, and many people would like to not be forced to read it
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Jul 31, 2014 19:47
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:how about it is christian propaganda, and many people would like to not be forced to read it no, that is not a specific example. please try again.
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Jul 31, 2014 19:49
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If it were a Muslim forcing sharia law on employees in the deep south there would be a lynching
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Jul 31, 2014 19:49
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naem posted:No way it should be some old guy who owns a chain of craft stores imposing his beliefs on other people and infringing on their religious beliefs well clearly that's how it should be because that's the way it is and nobody is making any real effort to change it
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Jul 31, 2014 19:50
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Kyrie eleison posted:no, that is not a specific example. please try again. Why do we need to give women literature in the first place? Women have the right to an abortion for any reason, even a bad or misinformed one, or for no reason at all.
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Jul 31, 2014 19:50
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Who What Now posted:Why do we need to give women literature in the first place? Women have the right to an abortion for any reason, even a bad or misinformed one, or for no reason at all. so your objection is to the idea that women should be informed before getting an abortion?
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Jul 31, 2014 19:52
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I said sometimes.
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Jul 31, 2014 19:52
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Kyrie eleison posted:so your objection is to the idea that women should be informed before getting an abortion? My objection is that it's a requirement, yes.
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Jul 31, 2014 19:55
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Robo Reagan posted:well clearly that's how it should be because that's the way it is and nobody is making any real effort to change it Conservatism.txt
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Jul 31, 2014 19:55
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satanic splash-back posted:this is not an rss feed go die (╯>□<）╯︵ ┻━┻)
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Jul 31, 2014 19:58
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My objection is to ideas about sex or medicine or literally anything else dreamed up by right-wing cult members
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Jul 31, 2014 19:58
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Maoist Pussy posted:My objection is to ideas about sex or medicine or literally anything else dreamed up by right-wing cult members hahaha what are you going to do go protest? ooh or maybe vote in a heavily gerrymandered district (hint: it's all of them)
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Jul 31, 2014 19:59
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Who What Now posted:My objection is that it's a requirement, yes. that's very libertarian of you. i'm impressed. but the Satanists don't agree with you. "We should only have to review medical or scientific information based solely on fact and not politicized," said Jex Blackmore, the head of the Detroit chapter of The Satanic Temple. "Some of that state-drafted information is medical in nature [but] it's just that it's written in a very biased format."
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Jul 31, 2014 20:00
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Kyrie eleison posted:so your objection is to the idea that women should be informed before getting an abortion? The literature is not just: Part 1: risks of procedure Part 2: potential side effects after the procedure Instead it also has a bunch of stuff that basically boils down to why babies are so adorable and really who wouldn't want one which a lot of women resent or consider it insulting to be forced to read.
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Jul 31, 2014 20:00
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Maoist Pussy posted:My objection is to ideas about sex or medicine or literally anything else dreamed up by right-wing cult members I think that left wing people are also useless a-holes mostly. It seems that a solution that respects every citizen's personal religious beliefs and healthcare decisions would be simple to achieve
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Jul 31, 2014 20:01
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ArbitraryC posted:A lot of the literature is an active guilt trip rather than anything informative. It discusses things like the sanctity of life. Some of the legislation forces you to get ultrasounds and look at pictures of your "baby" and some get even more guilt trippy than that. to be fair it should be understood by the lady that she's about to get rid of something that would one day become a human and that there's alternatives like adoption if she feels able to put up with it for 9 months. guilt tripping people is dumb tho unless it's a downsie in which case abortion is better etc
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Jul 31, 2014 20:01
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Kyrie eleison posted:that's very libertarian of you. i'm impressed. but the Satanists don't agree with you. That'd be a very compelling argument if I was a satanist and you weren't a retard. But neither of those is true.
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Jul 31, 2014 20:02
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ArbitraryC posted:A lot of the literature is an active guilt trip rather than anything informative. It discusses things like the sanctity of life. Some of the legislation forces you to get ultrasounds and look at pictures of your "baby" and some get even more guilt trippy than that. Do they quiz you after ? Can't you just pretend to read it and instead think of how happy you'll be after the abortion is over ?
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Jul 31, 2014 20:06
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ArbitraryC posted:A lot of the literature is an active guilt trip rather than anything informative. It discusses things like the sanctity of life. Some of the legislation forces you to get ultrasounds and look at pictures of your "baby" and some get even more guilt trippy than that. i'm not saying nowhere does this sort of thing occur, but in the specific case we are facing there is no mention in the article of ultrasounds or "sanctity of life", so i'm not sure if that applies here and i like to stay on topic. i'm curious to see what the Satanists come up with to critique the literature.
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Jul 31, 2014 20:07
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Who What Now posted:That'd be a very compelling argument if I was a satanist and you weren't a retard. But neither of those is true. i'm not sure what you mean, i was just pointing out you don't agree with the Satanists in the thread topic. you are free to have your beliefs but i'm not going to debate you here, i'm more interested in them and their beliefs.
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Jul 31, 2014 20:08
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What if an employer is a "satanic" church member and he decides his beliefs trump yours as a mere employee and he hand picks your health care options to force you to be more in line with SATAN is that ok? gently caress your Christian beliefs, I'm old man Satan and what I say goes
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Jul 31, 2014 20:12
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Jul 31, 2014 20:13
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Kyrie eleison posted:i'm not saying nowhere does this sort of thing occur, but in the specific case we are facing there is no mention in the article of ultrasounds or "sanctity of life", so i'm not sure if that applies here and i like to stay on topic. i'm curious to see what the Satanists come up with to critique the literature. In this particular case if you read the article (I can see that's not a strength of yours), the satanists haven't sued anyone yet. They're saying that they will help support women who feel slighted by these laws. No specific examples are written because they haven't brought any cases forth yet. ArbitraryC fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 20:14
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naem posted:What if an employer is a "satanic" church member and he decides his beliefs trump yours as a mere employee and he hand picks your health care options to force you to be more in line with SATAN is that ok? if i joined an organization that declared itself satanic and provided especially luxurious health care coverage with regards to contraception and abortion then yes that would be acceptable in the free market system.
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Jul 31, 2014 20:14
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so uhh since a corporation is a person and can express opinions and beliefs and force those beliefs on people can i maybe take a business out on a date? i was thinking dinner & a movie???
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Jul 31, 2014 20:16
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ArbitraryC posted:The article didn't really need to mention the specifics because this has been a hot button issue in the news for years. I can even name one of the states offhand that forces you to get an ultrasound: texas. If you paid attention to the news at all when this topic came up you'd have read your own examples of women being upset with these laws because they felt like it was trying to shame them into not getting an abortion. Just spend two seconds googling the topic rather than demanding everyone spoon feed you something that's been an ongoing debate for years. i'm well aware of the issue, thank you. but there has been no mention of ultrasounds in this specific case so i am curious what specifically the satanists are upset about in the literature.
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Jul 31, 2014 20:16
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Kyrie eleison posted:if i joined an organization that declared itself satanic and provided especially luxurious health care coverage with regards to contraception and abortion then yes that would be acceptable in the free market system. Ok but, no podiatrist. Hurt your foot? gently caress you! Pay cash! Foot doctors are against Satan's teaching and I'm a rich old guy so pay cash chump
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Jul 31, 2014 20:16
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Kyrie eleison posted:i'm well aware of the issue, thank you. but there has been no mention of ultrasounds in this specific case so i am curious what specifically the satanists are upset about in the literature. ArbitraryC posted:In this particular case if you read the article (I can see that's not a strength of yours), the satanists haven't sued anyone yet. They're saying that they will help support women who feel slighted by these laws. No specific examples are written because they haven't brought any cases forth yet. Something like the ultrasound might come up, or they might focus on a state that has particularly biased and obviously religious text in the literature. It depends on who comes to them for help and how good of a case their lawyers think they will have.
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Jul 31, 2014 20:18
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Lucifer was right.
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Jul 31, 2014 20:27
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As an old rich guy I lobby that when you visit a foot doctor it is mandatory to hand out satanic literature, also NO acetaminophen RICH OLD GUY HAS SPOKEN
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Jul 31, 2014 20:31
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Rich old guys rule hot young girls drool
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Jul 31, 2014 20:33
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Relevant to thread: http://www.theonion.com/video/new-law-requires-women-to-name-baby-paint-nursery,14393/
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Jul 31, 2014 20:34
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redshirt posted:Lucifer was right. It appears so.
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Jul 31, 2014 20:40
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Robo Reagan posted:to be fair it should be understood by the lady that she's about to get rid of something that would one day become a human and that there's alternatives like adoption if she feels able to put up with it for 9 months. She already knows this.
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Kyrie eleison posted:i'm well aware of the issue, thank you. but there has been no mention of ultrasounds in this specific case so i am curious what specifically the satanists are upset about in the literature. probably stuff like the first page of this: http://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/Portals/0/Medical/MoreInformation/Abortion%20Procedures%2010_28_08.pdf or the many pages of irrelevant full color fetus development pictures in this: http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/wrtk/pdf/booklet.pdf both of which are completely unparalleled with any other medical procedure literature I've ever seen oh, and hail satan.
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