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Breaky posted:Definitely but I don't think you'll see near as many "overcoming adversity" spots about Ray Rice like you might about Jameis. Don't get me wrong, both of them are deserving and it's a very close margin (in my mind) between the two. We're already getting showered with them about Rice so you must be picturing an hour-long special on ESPN or something
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football fuckerman posted:We're already getting showered with them about Rice so you must be picturing an hour-long special on ESPN or something Really? drat. I quit watching ESPN earlier this year so maybe I'm missing most of that.
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Jameis Winston.Breaky posted:I quit watching ESPN This cat knows what's up.
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Breaky posted:Really? I mean the Ravens website thing which I don't have the screencap of, I don't have ESPN but there have been several things on the internet just blithely like, Fans welcome Rice back with standing ovation
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Leperflesh posted:Jameis Winston also went on a shooting spree with one or more teammates on his campus with a pellet gun. Supposedly shooting squirrels, but causing a few thousand dollars in damage due to broken windows and the like. That's what I thought. We don't actually know. This is a tough fight. This is essentially the toughest battle we've ever had. Lets look at this: Jameis Winston -Apparently a douchebag, goes on shooting sprees with pellet gun. acts like immature college student -is viewed as savior and not punished for his actions because football -crab legs -may have raped someone, but we will never know for sure. He was never charged. Rice -Up to this point is supposedly a boy scout, no prior offenses to this -actually is charged -actually has evidence of dragging wife out of elevator. Remember, he dragged her out, he didn't carry her -the wife then apologized for being smacked around -but both are being charged We don't know exactly what happened in that Elevator. Maybe the wife actually was assulting him and Rice got in a lucky shot. We also don't know if Jameis actually raped that girl. But what we do have is video evidence of the aftermath of Rice's incident which makes him look just awful. We also have Ray Rice actually getting charged. When I don't know the truth to either, I'm going to pick the one with slightly more evidence. If Jameis is a rapist, then he deserves it, but we just don't have any real clue here. Ray Rice football fuckerman posted:We're already getting showered with them about Rice so you must be picturing an hour-long special on ESPN or something To be fair, they are all coming from the Ravens PR office, and everyone is slamming them for it.
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football fuckerman posted:sure but right now the Winston comeback stories are coming from Breaky's imagination I don't think that it's much of a stretch of the imagination that at some point if Jameis has a big win that will be part of the narrative. As for the Rice stuff I just haven't been watching. Anyway it's a dumb point either way as, like I've already said, they both are deserving of it and it's a narrow margin.
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Febreeze posted:That's what I thought. We don't actually know. This is a tough fight. I was having a similar back and forth in my mind and this helped clinch it for me. Ray Rice
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Chilichimp posted:I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm going to vote for the actual loving rapist every time. This shouldn't even be close, because, you know, RAPE.
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Aug 6, 2014 20:18
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Man, the dichotomy between attitudes and presumption of guilt towards Big Ben and Jameis is really interesting here. Jameis Winston because he did the exact same thing THIS TOURNAMENT IS NAMED FOR!
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warcrimes posted:This shouldn't even be close, because, you know, RAPE. But lets be real, its all about the uncooked crab legs
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football fuckerman posted:I mean the Ravens website thing which I don't have the screencap of, I don't have ESPN but there have been several things on the internet just blithely like, Fans welcome Rice back with standing ovation  Go on.   
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swickles posted:Man, the dichotomy between attitudes and presumption of guilt towards Big Ben and Jameis is really interesting here. Yeah, this. Even if he didn't rape someone, he still comes off as an incredibly entitled douche. Winston
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warcrimes posted:This shouldn't even be close, because, you know, RAPE. Not even close? Rape is godawful but I feel like you might be underselling loving Domestic Abuse, especially since rape can be included in that sometimes Breaky posted:I don't think that it's much of a stretch of the imagination that at some point if Jameis has a big win that will be part of the narrative. As for the Rice stuff I just haven't been watching. Anyway it's a dumb point either way as, like I've already said, they both are deserving of it and it's a narrow margin. Jameis already had his big win, he completed the "redemption" arc when FSU won the championship. At this point it's been forgotten about. I doubt we'll have more than just a few mentions of it now. Febreeze fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Febreeze posted:Not even close? Rape is godawful but I feel like you might be underselling loving Domestic Abuse Rape is worse.
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swickles posted:Jameis Winston because he did the exact same thing THIS TOURNAMENT IS NAMED FOR! Yeah but Jameis only did it once you see. Rape is worse as a single act and Winston probably did it. There's enough of a hole (because of the TPD who I'll probably be voting for again later on) to make it really close with Rice just because it's hard to ignore that video. Flipped a coin like that other guy did, came up Jameis Winston for me.
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Well you see, we really shouldn't compare the two across leagues. That's why I've invented a defense-adjusted stat (with a base line off 100, of course) that meshes with the eye test- Miles Davis's numbers are amazing across any era, of course, (this is the worst argument)
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Febreeze posted:especially since rape can be included in that sometimes But not in this case.
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Febreeze posted:Not even close? Rape is godawful but I feel like you might be underselling loving Domestic Abuse Anyway you slice it, rape is worse than domestic abuse, especially in this case, where it seems to be a one-time event, not a classic domestic abuse situation. In addition, Rice seems very regretful where Winston is remorseless and refusing to even acknowledge he did anything wrong. Don't take any of that as some kind of defense of what Rice did, there's no way in hell I'd do that.
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Perhaps I am biased but I must chose Ray Rice. His low suspension is really making it hard for me to stay a fan of the NFL. It gets even worse with the images I quoted. A loving disgrace. edit: the bracket has finally been updated! Gnarly Bae Jepsen fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Ray Rice I really wish both would lose, but Ray Rice flipping public opinion is unacceptable. Top Hats Monthly fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Comparing the two crimes isn't going to get us very far. The situations are just simply different at a basic level. comparing the two kind of suggests that each guy had the two options in front of him, and Ray Rice chose punching and Jameis Winston chose rape. Would Winston be an assaulter, would Rice be a rapist, who knows
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Aug 6, 2014 22:17
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This is a tough one, but the video evidence has swayed my vote as well. Ray Rice.
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Winston gets my vote but barely.
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This is really close. It might be because it's fresh in my mind, or because the Ravens themselves are so supportive of it, but I have to give it to Ray Rice Against most other people I probably would have picked Winston though.
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After many hours of consternation, consideration, and extended bouts of hand-wringing I've decided, finally, to go with: Jameis Rice no wait I change my mind Ray Winston!  god they both suck so hard.
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Leperflesh posted:Jameis Winston also went on a shooting spree with one or more teammates on his campus with a pellet gun. Supposedly shooting squirrels, but causing a few thousand dollars in damage due to broken windows and the like. RICE A RONI, THE BEAT YOUR WIFE TREAT
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Jameis Winston might be a rapist but it was never investigated properly. Ray Rice, on the other hand, is on video beating the poo poo out of his fiancee. On the principle of innocent until proven guilty (and in this case I count beating someone on video tape as "guilty"), I choose Ray Rice.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:On the principle of innocent until proven guilty Better rename the award then.
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This is a tough one but my vote goes to Ray Rice because a) I hate the Ravens and the Ravens celebrated him after he beat his wife. b) Roger Goodell had a chance to send a message to the league and the world that this is not loving ok and he whiffed. c) My feeling is that Ray Rice pressured his wife to rescind. Winston did something just as horrible but the NFL stood by and said not only is this cool we support this guy.
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I'm voting Ray Rice because not only is he a wife-beater, he's a wife-beater who's being protected by the NFL and cheered by Ravens fans. Jameis could bust in the NFL and get his comeuppance.
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Caught you before your edit and now I want to see a list of scumbag Florida State guys. I'd imagine they'd put up a pretty good fight just since they've been around a lot longer. Not that it should apply to this vote in any way of course.
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