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dox posted:All of our Tier 1, 2, and 3 levels are "Engineers" at an MSP. It seems titles are worthless in IT. Haha yeah, my titles have pretty much gone backwards in the past few years, even though I'm getting more specialized. Went from Senior Network Engineer, to Technical Consultant to Systems Engineer (even though I purely deal with routing/switching/wireless/firewalls now). Job titles are weird 
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I love it when HR people obviously write job descriptions: "Manages core network protocols such as OSPF, BGP, MPLS, DHCP, ARP, and ICMP"
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Aug 7, 2014 07:16
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psydude posted:I love it when HR people obviously write job descriptions: That's good because I have 20 years of experience with ICMP.
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Aug 7, 2014 08:00
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Sorry guys, I'd like to post more but I spent all day at work managing the gently caress out of ICMP and I am just exhausted.
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Aug 7, 2014 08:19
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psydude posted:I love it when HR people obviously write job descriptions: Turns out we had a critical ICMP outage on one of our servers the other day. Boy were my customers happy when I plugged their PC back in.
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Aug 7, 2014 08:39
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Aunt Beth posted:Turns out we had a critical ICMP outage on one of our servers the other day. Boy were my customers happy when I plugged their PC back in. Was it unreachable?
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Aug 7, 2014 13:54
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I can't be the only one who has wasted way more time than necessary troubleshooting network issues when inbound ping was just blocked on the local firewall
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Aug 7, 2014 14:17
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Roargasm posted:I can't be the only one who has wasted way more time than necessary troubleshooting network issues when inbound ping was just blocked on the local firewall Not at all. Every time it happens I'm like "Dammit, if you're getting asymmetrical ping results, check Windows Firewall first!" and then next time I'm still going over NAT rules for the 8th time before I realize.
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Aug 7, 2014 14:23
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the spyder posted:Where do I start? Is the goon-ran resume service worth it?
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psydude posted:I love it when HR people obviously write job descriptions: I really can't understand how HR ever became part of the search and hiring process.
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Aug 7, 2014 15:04
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go3 posted:I really can't understand how HR ever became part of the search and hiring process. Well I mean, recruiting is technically an HR function, but a lot of places have their own dedicated recruiting staff that either have a technical background or work closely with the hiring managers to write the job description and posting. Others however, just leave it up to the HR specialist, which is about as good of an idea as leaving the accounting up to the IT department.
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Roargasm posted:I can't be the only one who has wasted way more time than necessary troubleshooting network issues when inbound ping was just blocked on the local firewall There's no good reason to block ICMP anymore, unless you're running some ancient vulnerable TCP/IP stack. "Oh noes ICMP is insecure!!!1" is cargo cult bullshit. Good thing functioning ICMP is mandatory for IPv6 to work, so people can eventually unlearn that particular wrongness.
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Aug 7, 2014 15:29
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go3 posted:I really can't understand how HR ever became part of the search and hiring process. Probably because the idea went from "This department manages the resources for the humans" to "This department is in charge of the resources that are the humans."
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psydude posted:Well I mean, recruiting is technically an HR function, but a lot of places have their own dedicated recruiting staff that either have a technical background or work closely with the hiring managers to write the job description and posting. Others however, just leave it up to the HR specialist, which is about as good of an idea as leaving the accounting up to the IT department. I don't see why the hiring/IT manager can't just say "Hey HR, here's an exact job spec for what I'm looking for. Do not change these sections [Technical stuff, qualifications, experience] but feel free to add on HR bullshit at the top/bottom." Edit: Forgot how larger companies in the US have insane requirements for H1B purposes, so
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Aunt Beth posted:Turns out we had a critical ICMP outage on one of our servers the other day. Boy were my customers happy when I plugged their PC back in. Speaking of ICMP outages 
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Aug 7, 2014 16:41
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If I ever become a hiring manager I am going to ask soooo many ICMP questions, just to really get under peoples skin
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:Speaking of ICMP outages Please tell me that's a real thing. I want to believe that somewhere out there someone accidentally cut some CAT6 and "fixed" it by tying the severed ends together.
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Aug 7, 2014 16:56
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go3 posted:I really can't understand how HR ever became part of the search and hiring process. Sepist posted:If I ever become a hiring manager I am going to ask soooo many ICMP questions, just to really get under peoples skin
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Aug 7, 2014 18:00
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HatfulOfHollow posted:Please tell me that's a real thing. I want to believe that somewhere out there someone accidentally cut some CAT6 and "fixed" it by tying the severed ends together. My boss got tired of this one guy always playing the jokester and unplugging usb cables all over the office. He asked to borrow my knife to get even.
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the spyder posted:Since *company merger* is looking worse and worse now that I've got a taste of how they currently handle IT (it's terrible) and there's no way I'm staying here any longer then I have too, it's time to brush up the old resume. Where do I start? Is the goon-ran resume service worth it? I've started to audit/rebuilt my online presence (so they find what I want them to find, like my IT blog.) But I've got two weak points: resumes and interviews. I can get a decent resume out there and handle phone interviews no sweat, but at the in person tech interviews, I always choke. Any help or resource recommendations (articles, books, ect) are appreciated. You're in Portland, correct? What kind of work are you doing? I know you gave me your email address in one of these threads and I got caught up in some stuff and didn't get around to e-mailing you, but if you give me an idea of what kind of work you're looking for I can ask around and see if anyone I know is hiring.
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Aug 7, 2014 18:16
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Misogynist posted:Christ, there's more than enough hiring managers doing things that serve no purpose but to get under a candidate's skin. You mean hiring managers or interviewers?
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Outside of personal IT-related projects that I'm working on independently (studying for CCNA, virtualizing my home servers, etc), are there side jobs or projects you folks would recommend looking into that would help me get more IT stuff on my resume? I love my current job, but I've realized I want to work in IT (sysadmin/network admin, I haven't decided which one quite yet) and will be here for at least another year (they're paying for my MBA courses which is important to me to finish) and am looking to add as much experience as possible so when I'm done with the degree I can try to make the switch without dropping back down to an entry-level position (if possible). Also, how does Salesforce administration experience look on a resume? Our company just switched to it and my new project going forward involves a lot of creating custom SF objects and buttons, automating our existing EchoSign workflows within Salesforce, modifying profile layouts, etc... but I don't know if that kind of stuff would look good as far as 'IT background' is concerned. GobiasIndustries fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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Aug 7, 2014 18:35
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One thing that's really stuck out to me about hiring practices is when you're interviewed with HR, upper-management but not your actual supervisor or any co-workers. For some lower-level positions it's okay but otherwise it's a bad idea.
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Aug 7, 2014 19:15
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NippleFloss posted:You're in Portland, correct? What kind of work are you doing? I know you gave me your email address in one of these threads and I got caught up in some stuff and didn't get around to e-mailing you, but if you give me an idea of what kind of work you're looking for I can ask around and see if anyone I know is hiring. Correct. Send me an email and I'll take you out to lunch if your free some time soon. marc.heynderickx @ gmail.com
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I may have a chance at an interview for a technical position with a startup soon where the culture appears to be "hip nerd company". I've only ever worked in corporate IT so I've only ever worn suits to my interviews. When people interview for these kinds of companies, what the hell do you wear to the interview?
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Aug 7, 2014 20:31
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Banana hammock and pasties.
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A t-shirt and jeans.
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tadashi posted:I may have a chance at an interview for a technical position with a startup soon where the culture appears to be "hip nerd company". I've only ever worked in corporate IT so I've only ever worn suits to my interviews. When people interview for these kinds of companies, what the hell do you wear to the interview? Whatever the gently caress you want. Don't wear khakis and a shirt with buttons on it or they will make fun of you.
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tadashi posted:I may have a chance at an interview for a technical position with a startup soon where the culture appears to be "hip nerd company". I've only ever worked in corporate IT so I've only ever worn suits to my interviews. When people interview for these kinds of companies, what the hell do you wear to the interview? Bring some kind of animal like a ferret.
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Aug 7, 2014 20:36
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Totally bringing my parents Basset Hound to my next interview.
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Bob Morales posted:Whatever the gently caress you want. Don't wear khakis and a shirt with buttons on it or they will make fun of you. To me, that would instantly mark it as a place that I would question whether I wanted to work there. Don't worry about what I am wearing. Let's talk about technical stuff and see if we are a personality fit. I can wear a t-shirt and jeans every day where I'm at now but I choose to wear chinos and a button down more often than not. I used to wear hoodies, etc. and was mistaken for a desktop support technician. After that I changed how I presented myself.
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tadashi posted:I may have a chance at an interview for a technical position with a startup soon where the culture appears to be "hip nerd company". I've only ever worked in corporate IT so I've only ever worn suits to my interviews. When people interview for these kinds of companies, what the hell do you wear to the interview? You can't un-do the first impression, so act carefully. Here in somewhat conservative VA, I would give the advice that no matter what you should always wear a suit, even in hipster nerd territory. But I concede that maybe in an area where hipster nerds hold a bigger market share, your mileage may vary. If you came in through a recruiter, I would have them find out for you. Or just call the company and see if the admin or whoever answers will clue you in. In my mind it's dangerous to go below suit level, but if you do just make sure you are still dressed to impress.
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Oh god it's already suitchat time again? FWIW I've never worked anywhere with a dress code above t-shirt and jeans. Including two software startups. Wore a suit to every interview. I got a bit of "lol nice suit nerd" from interviewers in shorts and sandals but was told that at the end of the day it was a positive and they felt it showed I was serious about getting the job. I feel like being underdressed is always riskier than being overdressed, even at a startup, but that's just my personal opinion. The 1% of brogrammer idiots that will toss you out for wearing a suit to a job interview are probably not someone you wanted as a boss anyway.
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Do they have a website with a "meet the team" section? What are those team members wearing? Wear that.
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When I say 'make fun of you' I meant they'll tease you about it for a second but it's not like they're going to steal your lunch money. I normally wear khaki's and button downs but at the last place I worked, I only wore it for the first week. Everyone was like "you know you don't have to 'dress up', right?" It helps me get into 'work' mode, but after a while I ended up just rolling out of bed and wearing t-shirts and sandals.
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DrAlexanderTobacco posted:Do they have a website with a "meet the team" section? What are those team members wearing? Wear that. NO. You're there to get a job. To impress and give the impression that you want to earn a spot with their team. Not to pretend you're already one of them. Interviewing isn't a showcase of how cool you are. It's about showing how competent and professional you are. Like I said, I admit that not all companies are created equal, but IMHO you really can't go wrong with a nice high quality (~$300-500) suit. I'll get off my soapbox now. E: Sorry for the rant, I've just seen soooo many people blow interviews by dressing poorly. Conversely, I've NEVER seen anyone lose an interview for dressing too nicely. E2: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/05/13/how-to-build-your-wardrobe-2/ vvvvv If I'm in on a Saturday (which I never am) or after hours, you can bet that I have a beer in my hand vvvvvv Dark Helmut fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Aug 8, 2014 |
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Dark Helmut posted:You're there to get a job. To impress and give the impression that you want to earn a spot with their team. Not to pretend you're already one of them. Would you come in on a Saturday to work with Dark Helmut? 
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I'm in complete agreement with Dark Helmut and screw the stupid startup guy who said you should never wear a suit.
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Business casual in IT implies that I am not going to carry around printers or crawl under your desk. When in doubt, "overdress" for the first interview, then dress down for the following ones if you felt awkward. Except one time, a 16-year old who does A/V for me wore a suit to an interview at McDonalds. He looked sharp but holy hell was it cringeworthy
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