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Grimthwacker
Aug 7, 2014

I just finished Ys II on Steam a couple of nights ago - why did almost every boss in that game have to be a flippin' Touhou? Dodge bullets, shoot back with Fire Magic. Not that they weren't challenging, but still.

I've been meaning to do a hard playthrough of OiF, but not until I get and play through Trails. Falcom/XSeed deserve all the goodwill they're getting for all the great games.

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pun pundit
Nov 11, 2008

I feel the same way about the company bearing the same name.

So I'm attempting to play Trails with a controller, but I don't know how to trigger S-breaks, no button has that description in the configuration tool. Which button, if any, does that?

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

Just tab to the right or left on the Analog stick, and you'll be able to select one of the buttons.

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender
Just finished Trails in the Sky: First Chapter. A solid game with excellent writing, although now I have to wait a few months to see how it ends.

I used Cake Attack's LP as a kind-of guide, although I should have paid more attention and followed along at about the same pace, because I missed two Bracer Points in Rolent that it would have been faster to reload to get. Oh well, there are a few Steam Achievements I'd have to replay to get anyway, like the all weapon/armour and Shining Pom ones.

Thanks for the tips on how to beat the optional boss, that helped a lot.

Suaimhneas
Nov 19, 2005

That's how you get tinnitus

Apparently this quest I had to kill a monster "behind Ravennue Village" expired before I even found out where the village is. Lovely. Is there going to be a lot of this kind of poo poo? Do I need to look up a map online?

SC Bracer
Aug 7, 2012

DEMAGLIO!
There's a map button that shows you a world map.

e: My game crashed when I tried to retry after my NPC died in an escort mission. Might be another bug.

SC Bracer fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Aug 9, 2014

Weissritter
Jun 14, 2012

Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:

Zero no Kiseki, please.

And then its sequel, Ao no Kiseki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWgkSEESBa0

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

SC Bracer posted:

There's a map button that shows you a world map.

e: My game crashed when I tried to retry after my NPC died in an escort mission. Might be another bug.

Was this against one of the monster chests in the Amberl Tower?

Because my retry option was bugged for one of those fights and no others.


I may as well say "water is wet" for how surprising it is, but man do Zero/Ao no Kiseki have some great music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p56c2xo7xQ

Cake Attack fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Aug 9, 2014

JTDistortion
Mar 28, 2010
Has anyone has issues with getting a black screen right at the start of TiTS? The game launches, I can hear sound just fine, and I can even hear it taking my inputs in the opening menu, but I get no visuals whatsoever?

JTDistortion fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Aug 9, 2014

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

JTDistortion posted:

Has anyone has issues with getting a black screen right at the start of TiTS? The game launches, I can hear sound just fine, and I can even hear it taking my inputs in the opening menu, but I get no visuals whatsoever?

In configurations, do you have Device (just to the left of resolution), set to REF instead of HAL? When I was messing with configurations at launch I managed to produce your exact problem by setting Device to REF, and just now I was able to replicate it.

SC Bracer
Aug 7, 2012

DEMAGLIO!

Cake Attack posted:

Was this against one of the monster chests in the Amberl Tower?

Because my retry option was bugged for one of those fights and no others.

Yep, that's the one. The chest with the three robber trappers. Poor guy got hit by all three earth lances :(

JTDistortion
Mar 28, 2010

Cake Attack posted:

In configurations, do you have Device (just to the left of resolution), set to REF instead of HAL? When I was messing with configurations at launch I managed to produce your exact problem by setting Device to REF, and just now I was able to replicate it.

It is on REF, but it doesn't seem to be giving me any other options.

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

Do you have DirectX 9.0c installed? Try downloading that.

If not I really have no idea because you should have the option.

JTDistortion
Mar 28, 2010
I've got it installed, but still get nothing. REF is the only option I have.

Edit: Ok, maybe something is going on with my video card. The nvidia control panel crashes instantly when I try to enter it.

JTDistortion fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Aug 9, 2014

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


I picked up Ys Origin again, since I only ever beat it on Normal as Yunica. I'm on Hard now, as Hugo, and it's more entertaining than I would have thought from the thread's opinions :v:.

I can't seem to reliably do his lightning bolt defense down thing, though. Any tips on making that work, or using him in general?

I wonder now what other games are out there like Ys Origin (and I guess Oath in Felghana, but I still haven't played that). I really like this style of play :3:

Zaggitz
Jun 18, 2009

My urges are becoming...

UNCONTROLLABLE

Ciaphas posted:

I picked up Ys Origin again, since I only ever beat it on Normal as Yunica. I'm on Hard now, as Hugo, and it's more entertaining than I would have thought from the thread's opinions :v:.

I can't seem to reliably do his lightning bolt defense down thing, though. Any tips on making that work, or using him in general?

I wonder now what other games are out there like Ys Origin (and I guess Oath in Felghana, but I still haven't played that). I really like this style of play :3:

Ark of Napishtim and to a lesser extant SNES Ys 5. Also Falcom's trails spinoff Nayuta no Kiseki plays like a mix of the ys 7/celceta system mixed with the Oath/Origin one.

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I can't avoid filling a game with awful memes, even if I want to. It's in my bones...!
Meanwhile, in "Steam is being good to Falcom" news, thanks in large part to Steam they've sextupled their year-over-year profits for this period:

http://www.esterior.net/2014/08/lic...nancial-report/

And this doesn't count Trails numbers, which was the best Falcom debut on PC yet.

poo poo's gettin' good, sons.

Carver
Jan 14, 2003

Nice, Trails seemed to be on the top sellers for a good while there so I gotta figure it did really well.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

SpaceDrake posted:

Meanwhile, in "Steam is being good to Falcom" news, thanks in large part to Steam they've sextupled their year-over-year profits for this period:

http://www.esterior.net/2014/08/lic...nancial-report/

And this doesn't count Trails numbers, which was the best Falcom debut on PC yet.

poo poo's gettin' good, sons.

Good to hear!

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
I had decided not to go through Trails until I had finished Shovel Knight, and having done so and booted it up now again I see that they fixed the stuttering that I was seeing in fullscreen mode at 60FPS :toot: That sure was probably a busy couple of weeks for Saralene.

animatorZed
Jan 2, 2008
falling down
Just finished Trails. Actually enjoyed it quite a bit. Hadn't played any jrpg's in years, but I really liked the Ys games so I gave this one a shot.

Just to check, the ng+ hard/nightmare options only affect enemy / battle difficulty? Nothing new in ng+ other than getting anything you missed the first time around?

Zaggitz
Jun 18, 2009

My urges are becoming...

UNCONTROLLABLE

animatorZed posted:

Just finished Trails. Actually enjoyed it quite a bit. Hadn't played any jrpg's in years, but I really liked the Ys games so I gave this one a shot.

Just to check, the ng+ hard/nightmare options only affect enemy / battle difficulty? Nothing new in ng+ other than getting anything you missed the first time around?

You are correct. I think some of the later games have NG+ exclusive super bosses, but Trails 1 is just regular old NG+.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.

SpaceDrake posted:

Meanwhile, in "Steam is being good to Falcom" news, thanks in large part to Steam they've sextupled their year-over-year profits for this period:

http://www.esterior.net/2014/08/lic...nancial-report/

And this doesn't count Trails numbers, which was the best Falcom debut on PC yet.

poo poo's gettin' good, sons.

Hello Japan it's the rest of the world, I like my pc a lot in fact I'm calling you from my pc, which I also use to play video games.

You can print money if you just give a poo poo about pc

please do it

bentacos
Oct 9, 2012

Heavy neutrino posted:

Hello Japan it's the rest of the world, I like my pc a lot in fact I'm calling you from my pc, which I also use to play video games.

You can print money if you just give a poo poo about pc

please do it

For real. The last jrpg I played was probably Dragon Quest VIII. Meanwhile here I am enjoying the poo poo out of Trails in the Sky. You put them on the platform I prefer, I will buy the poo poo out of them, and recommend them to my friends too.

SorcerousHam
Apr 8, 2011
It must be kinda weird if you're a Japanese company trapped in the selling-to-otaku culture of "we will likely only sell 2000 of these therefore we shall price it at X in order to make a profit" to then move to a platform like Steam and then suddenly find out there are so many more people you can sell your poo poo to and you could've been making more money years ago.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
Well Falcom themselves are not completely oblivious to the benefits of the PC, otherwise they wouldn't have made these games in the first place. That said I do hope this gets them off of their handheld kick they've had recently.

One thing I've wondered about is whether any stink is raised in the Japanese fanbase over the fact that these Steam releases are from a technical standpoint far superior to what is available to them.

Sidesaddle Cavalry
Mar 15, 2013

Oh Boy Desert Map
Two years ago, the average Japanese Falcom fan didn't know what Steam even was.

E: entrepreneurs in Japan mostly see the PC as the console for browser games, western games, and porn games, with exceptions few and far between. Examples of such exceptions are usually franchises that have been MMO-ized like FFXIV and Monster Hunter Frontier, and distribution for those are definitely controlled by their developers' companies directly.

I do remember there was this one natively Japanese-made team-based PvP arena called Fantasy Earth Zero, it was the clunkiest thing ever. But its original art design was by George Kamitani!

Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Aug 10, 2014

Wendell
May 11, 2003

Heavy neutrino posted:

Hello Japan it's the rest of the world, I like my pc a lot in fact I'm calling you from my pc, which I also use to play video games.

You can print money if you just give a poo poo about pc

please do it

Hello World, it's Japan! We are grateful for your input and will happily make more games for phones as requested.

toddy.
Jun 15, 2010

~she is my wife~

Nate RFB posted:

One thing I've wondered about is whether any stink is raised in the Japanese fanbase over the fact that these Steam releases are from a technical standpoint far superior to what is available to them.

"But they totally totally did a HD remaster of the Trails games for PS3!" *furiously scratches at the printed-on "PSP REMASTER" sticker*

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

Nate RFB posted:

One thing I've wondered about is whether any stink is raised in the Japanese fanbase over the fact that these Steam releases are from a technical standpoint far superior to what is available to them.

I know that a lot of Japanese PC gamers use US/Euro steam accounts since western games can take forever to get over there. English is widely taught so they can handle the localized games.

(Plus I remember reading on the Trails steam forum that with most games on this engine you can drop the Japanese script into the game files and it works seamlessly even with Sara's font changes.)

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Would be interesting to know comparative steam sales for each region, and adjusted stats to make up for discrepancies in steam use.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Making progress on my second Origin playthrough. Hugo gets fire laser beam orbs for his last spell and the thread thought he sucked? :stare:

Tonfa
Apr 8, 2008

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...

Hugo's just different from how Ys usually plays. No hack and slash, worse movement options, range completely trivializes a lot of enemies as a tradeoff. I like Hugo well enough but the third character is where it's at.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Ciaphas posted:

Making progress on my second Origin playthrough. Hugo gets fire laser beam orbs for his last spell and the thread thought he sucked? :stare:

They have less range than Yunica's fire falcon and he's supposed to be the ranged character, plus they are hard as hell to control. I felt a bit let-down myself.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Well I'm enjoying it, so there :colbert:


It's annoyed me trying to coordinate charging magic, attacking, and being able to jump at the same time, though. I use a DS4 controller, does anyone else use a controller? How'd you bind the controls?

Suaimhneas
Nov 19, 2005

That's how you get tinnitus

I put magic on one of the left shoulder buttons, that makes it easy to charge magic without it interfering with your other actions.

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?
Just beat Ys Origin. That was pretty fun, if not generic anime as all hell. Beat it with Yunica, but I will run through it with Toal and Hugo but on Very Easy because running though the same stuff with the others isn't my idea of a blast.

Really considering getting Ys 1 and 2 chronicles. I remember I played the TG16 version on the Wii virtual console and lost interest but I think I am more ready for that kind of gameplay now. Is it worth it?

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!
Hugo and Toal actually do get some unique boss fights, so playing it on Very Easy might make those a bit uninteresting.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry

blackguy32 posted:

Really considering getting Ys 1 and 2 chronicles. I remember I played the TG16 version on the Wii virtual console and lost interest but I think I am more ready for that kind of gameplay now. Is it worth it?
Well, the graphics are now actually worth a drat and it controls a lot better. There's a bit more to do overall so it feels like a much more polished experience. That said Ys 1 is still very much Ys 1 and is quite antiquated and simple, but on the other hand it's really short and mostly easy (except for the final boss). Plus it leads into Ys 2 which is a pretty great game. I think if you have any passing interest in the franchise, which you would have if you finished Origin, then it's worth it.

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Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


And that's Hugo done in Origin, just the third character left. Only question is do I go for Nightmare, or wuss out and stick to hard. :ohdear:

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