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sportsgenius86 posted:This sounds like complete emotion from this friend. Yep and a mechanic on the 45 car said his driver said he only saw Ward at the last second and narrowly missed him, and that was with Ward stepping back as the 45 came around.
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You can't tell me with a straight face if you've seen video footage of Ward jumping out of the way of the 45 car that this was anything but Ward's fault. Dude literally walked in front of two race cars and failed to get out of the way of the second. Why aren't more people discussing the fact that maybe Ward misjudged how close he was getting to the cars. After all, sprint cars on dirt don't really travel in a straight-ish line the way a stock car or indy car would on asphalt. Maybe he stepped where he thought the car would miss him and made a fatal error in judgement.
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Auron posted:My initial reaction was that Tony purposely tried to sling mud at the guy, and it went horribly wrong. I thought both guys made some dumb decision. This is going to be one of those things that some people get all worked up about it and any suggestions it was Ward's fault leads to cries of victim blaming, but it turns out its entirely Ward's fault for being lethally stupid. Given that the very first reports on this incident, nationally reported by the biggest outlets, had a wide variety of now proven to be false and outrage-inducing facts and rumors really didn't help.
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canti32 posted:And I agree with whoever said above that if this was any other racer at the track this would be" just a tragic accident", but since it was Tony Stewart, noted hothead, the narrative jumped right to "he must've finally lost it and killed someone". If it was Kasey Kahne driving the car no one would even consider it being intentional, because he's such a cute nice guy.
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If a dumb person was walking out into lanes of traffic on the freeway and was hit and killed, I can think of almost no circumstance where we would blame the driver. Because you just don't walk out into lanes of traffic.
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It is sort of like walking out onto a live rifle range.
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Mahoning posted:If a dumb person was walking out into lanes of traffic on the freeway and was hit and killed, I can think of almost no circumstance where we would blame the driver. Because you just don't walk out into lanes of traffic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dont%C3%A9_Stallworth#DUI_manslaughter_charges
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This is unrelated to the Stewart incident, but it's about driver deaths on these small tracks and gives a bit of an inside look into the world of local racing. http://www.si.com/longform/dirt-racing/index.html
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Yes, you found a situation that disproves my statement. And it has zero resemblance to the Stewart/Ward incident other than the driver being a famous athlete.
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Aug 11, 2014 17:09
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Holy poo poo I just got owned
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leica posted:If it was Kasey Kahne driving the car no one would even consider it being intentional, because he's such a cute nice guy. "He was shy and quiet; you knew someday he was going to snap"
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Aug 11, 2014 17:18
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I like how the the thread title makes it sound like Tony killed another driver, adding to his death toll.
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It's unconfirmed at this point but I do believe Tony Stewart has played video games and enjoys violent movies.
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Aug 11, 2014 17:31
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If only there was a good guy with a gun...
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BEARS IN THE BARN posted:The cars also require throttle to turn (especially at speed) and have no transmission or clutch to eliminate drivetrain loss. Also dont forget, you also lose more visibility as well wearing a helmet. You can test this theory yourself, try wearing a ski helmet and goggles and doing everyday things. try doing things in a dimly lit room for extra challenges.
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You gon' act like a bitch, you gon' die like a bitch.
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leica posted:If it was Kasey Kahne driving the car no one would even consider it being intentional, because he's such a cute nice guy. You're correct. He'd make a great bottom. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVoGZxReEPk You can see poo poo out of those things, huh?
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Stallworth accepted a plea and went to jail despite everyone knowing he would have been found innocent, then settled with the family, because he felt horrible for them and didn't want to drag the victim's family through the court case to in-detail discuss the death. So he got 30 days in jail and community service, despite being drunk and high and speeding, because when you walk out into traffic and get hit, you're still wrong. However, as mentioned, that's not the same case as this. Because the track isn't the highway and the hundred other reasons a sport is not a morning commute.
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davecrazy posted:You can see poo poo out of those things, huh? That's quite a bit more visibility than I was expecting. Is the course from this video significantly better lit than the one Stewart was on?
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Bashez posted:That's quite a bit more visibility than I was expecting. keep in mind you're also wearing that huge helmet that doesn't give you much peripheral vision.
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DJExile posted:keep in mind you're also wearing that huge helmet that doesn't give you much peripheral vision. Don't forget 14 laps of mud on your visor as well.
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Parmesan Basil posted:This is a bad thread so shut it down please.
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bewbies posted:It is sort of like walking out onto a live rifle range. There is nothing that will get goons to up and admit "Yea, he was so stupid, he deserved to die."
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cname posted:There is nothing that will get goons to up and admit "Yea, he was so stupid, he deserved to die." You have serious issues if you believe someone "deserves to die" for being stupid. Seek help.
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You have the reading comprehension skills of a blind man
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"If Kevin Ward didn't want to die he shouldn't have stood by the side of the track in such a slutty revealing outfit. He was asking for it." - Most NASCAR fans.
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You wanna live in the same society as people who literally play in the traffic? What's the solution here? Provide better education on the hazards of running around on race tracks?
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NtotheTC posted:"If Kevin Ward didn't want to die he shouldn't have stood by the side of the track in such a slutty revealing outfit. He was asking for it." A slutty, revealing outfit would have been better than an all black helmet and firesuit 
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canti32 posted:A slutty, revealing outfit would have been better than an all black helmet and firesuit Smoke would have seen him then for sure especially if he was holding a turkey leg
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cname posted:You wanna live in the same society as people who literally play in the traffic? people like tony stewart, for example?
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a false posted:people like tony stewart, for example? Yea, I'd be a-ok had he gotten killed any of those times he ran around on a loving race track. Anyone over the age of 10 who runs around on a race track really doesn't sound like someone who I wanna ever have to associate with, in any way. Solkanar512 posted:You have serious issues if you believe someone "deserves to die" for being stupid. Seek help. Yea, I think there is a point where you can be so goddamn stupid, you deserve to die. This isn't "I left the oven on, by accident" levels of stupid. Mind you, I'm not talking ignorance. I think that everyone who has ever seen a car go is smart enough not to gently caress off in the direct trajectory of multiple moving ones. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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cname posted:Anyone over the age of 10 who runs around on a race track really doesn't sound like someone who I wanna ever have to associate with, in any way. So then, pretty much every American race car driver? Cool. Can we please ban every stupid motherfucker who knows absolutely nothing about motorsports of any kind from posting in this thread, jesus christ.
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Cubey posted:So then, pretty much every American race car driver? Cool. Really? Yea, gently caress everyone who is dumb enough to run around in speeding traffic. Why would anyone ever do that? "Because they were angry and not thinking rationally" is no excuse. STAY IN YOUR CAR! How hard is it to just stay put? Simple cause and effect. You run around in traffic, you will probably get hit. You stand on the train tracks, you'll probably get hit. Edit: Actually, I believe you deserve the risk of death, but not certain death. He died. The odds were against him. cname fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Cubey posted:So then, pretty much every American race car driver? Cool.
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Pedestrians have the right of way. Checkmate, Tony Stewart apologists.
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cname posted:Really? Yea, gently caress everyone who is dumb enough to run around in speeding traffic. Why would anyone ever do that? "Because they were angry and not thinking rationally" is no excuse. here's another way to put yourself in an incredible amount of danger [and, i suppose, by extension, deserve to die]: drive extremely fast around a track with other cars that are doing the same thing
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a false posted:here's another way to put yourself in an incredible amount of danger [and, i suppose, by extension, deserve to die]: drive extremely fast around a track with other cars that are doing the same thing You say this as though the odds are the same in both situations.
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cname posted:You say this as though the odds are exactly the same in both situations. I think that one of the two scenarios is also an accepted and integral part of motor racing. I don't know which one though
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