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Only issue with that is it only uses the gems for the long cast animation, the short cast uses a less damaging formula that lacks the scaling. You can force the long animation using Boost though, but you can't get that until later.
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Fister Roboto posted:I've been replaying through FF9 recently, and I've just discovered that summons are actually insanely good in this game, something that I failed to notice when I first played the game. You see, the damage formula is the familiar (Attack-Defense)*Multipliers. The thing is that for most spells, the Attack value is fixed (unlike FF5, bonuses for things like elemental weaknesses or boosting equipment is applied to the Multiplier, not to Attack). Fire will always have 14 Attack, so it eventually becomes obsolete with higher enemy defense (most enemies in the game have at least 10 magic defense) no matter how high you stack your Multiplier. Yeah, while waiting around for stupid frogs to respawn to get Quina's best weapon, I put a rubber band on my controller to have Eiko draw 99 Ores a couple times (which can be synthed into the other gems). Dagger with a bunch of maxed-out summons and elemental-boosting gear is a monster. Edit: rargphlam posted:Only issue with that is it only uses the gems for the long cast animation, the short cast uses a less damaging formula that lacks the scaling. Pretty sure that's just wrong. The shorter animations do less damage, but still use the boosted attack stat. She'll do about 6000+ damage with a short animation, or 8000+ with the long animations.
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No, the short cast animation still includes the attack boost from the gems. It only reduces the multiplier by 1/3.
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I'd say the bigger problem with summon is just that it is so trivial to hit 9999 damage in FF9 that having a huge attack multiplier feels less impressive for the work you put in.
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Veib posted:Oh hey that's great news, Remember Me was one of my favorite games last year. Obviously it has some huge glaring issues, but all the good things more than made up for that for me. I understand why it's so divisive. I think they'll be better off decreasing the scope of their game and its features and concentrating on a handful of concepts and tight writing. There was a lot of ambition and feature creep in Remember Me which lead to some half-baked sub-systems. CottonWolf posted:I can't get over how bad Emma's hair looks in those screenshots. It's just a blobby texture. Game sounds interesting though. They probably don't have a large budget for each episode. They seem to be going for a stylized Tell Tale adventure game look. Gologle posted:That's great! I love long graphic lesbian sex scenes in the middle of my video games! First day buy! Come to think of it, Square Enix owns the Fear Effect IP. You can even use it through their Collective program.
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ImpAtom posted:I'd say the bigger problem with summon is just that it is so trivial to hit 9999 damage in FF9 that having a huge attack multiplier feels less impressive for the work you put in. Perhaps, but you really don't have to put in much effort at all to have Dagger able to wipe out random encounters in one shot. e: also I love that the game just showers you with ethers. It really encourages you to actually use abilities that cost MP, rather than just mashing attack. Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Aug 11, 2014 |
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Aug 11, 2014 19:49
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ImpAtom posted:I'd say the bigger problem with summon is just that it is so trivial to hit 9999 damage in FF9 that having a huge attack multiplier feels less impressive for the work you put in. No kidding. When I played I found Trance was pretty pointless when it meant Steiner hit 9999 with just Attack instead of a skill.
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Aug 11, 2014 20:24
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Robin Williams is dead, yo! Irvine managed to assassinate somebody after all!
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Gologle posted:Robin Williams is dead, yo! Irvine managed to assassinate somebody after all! Poor Headmaster Cid 
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Aug 12, 2014 01:48
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Does Happy Blue Cow still post in the thread? I been wondering if a new thread is needed since there are several games missing from the OP along with a few re-releases that are not covered as well. Also this sounds odd, but am I only the one who enjoys Final Fantasy III DS? Maybe it because I am the type who still prefers to play Final Fantasy Origin over the later GBA version.
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Gologle posted:Robin Williams is dead, yo! Irvine managed to assassinate somebody after all! Robin who?
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The White Dragon posted:Robin who? Some coked out dude from the 70s and 80s. The next week will be dedicated to people pretending he's been relevent since then.
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Aug 12, 2014 05:54
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The irony of belittling an actor for being irrelevant in the thread about Final Fantasy
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:The irony of belittling an actor for being irrelevant in the thread about Final Fantasy Gologle posted:Irvine managed to assassinate somebody after all! Help Im Alive posted:Poor Headmaster Cid   e: for clarification, no disrespect for the man's achievements intended. He wasn't one of the big actors for me growing up so I'm not especially affected, but I also don't mean to write off anyone who he did matter to. Just a dumb Final Fantasy joke in the Final Fantasy thread, dogg. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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Anyone try out this hack yet for FFT:WotL? Seems like it's supposed to balance out more of the tedious and bullshit parts of the game, but one should always be wary of ROM hacks.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Some coked out dude from the 70s and 80s. The next week will be dedicated to people pretending he's been relevent since then.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Some coked out dude from the 70s and 80s. The next week will be dedicated to people pretending he's been relevent since then. 3edgy5me
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Rirse posted:Also this sounds odd, but am I only the one who enjoys Final Fantasy III DS? Maybe it because I am the type who still prefers to play Final Fantasy Origin over the later GBA version. Nope, I do too! I really like it and don't understand all the hate it gets. Sure when you compare it to the original, it looks inferior, but it was still a really fun game to play on long bus trips. I also really liked the opening cinematic, I think I watched it about a million times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek8jEw4N6gI
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Rirse posted:Maybe it because I am the type who still prefers to play Final Fantasy Origin over the later GBA version. This is a Right Thing to do, don't worry about that one. Origin's the best version of FF1 because it doesn't have the stupid bugs from the NES version while also not being super-baby-easy-mode from Dawn of Souls onwards. That said, you can get some enjoyment out of Dawn of Souls et al. by doing incredibly dumb poo poo. Mostly stuff that's viable on Origins too, but only if you like wasting far longer grinding out slow levels tediously.
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:Nope, I do too! I really like it and don't understand all the hate it gets. Sure when you compare it to the original, it looks inferior, but it was still a really fun game to play on long bus trips.
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Mega64 posted:Anyone try out this hack yet for FFT:WotL? Seems like it's supposed to balance out more of the tedious and bullshit parts of the game, but one should always be wary of ROM hacks. I just finished the intro fight; the fact that the battle ended with Ladd, Lavian and Alicia down entirely because the enemy was able to properly utilize and coordinate its attacks has me excited to see more. I haven't gotten far enough to see what changes Eternal has made to the jobs, though I did notice that Focus/Accumulate actually costs 5 MP now.
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Mega64 posted:Anyone try out this hack yet for FFT:WotL? Seems like it's supposed to balance out more of the tedious and bullshit parts of the game, but one should always be wary of ROM hacks. I've never played it, but I do vaguely recall the PSX version of the patch. For better or worse it fucks about with most everything, but people seemed to enjoy it, and it's not frustratingly boring/hard like some other FFT hacks. If you're interested in playing through FFT with a rebalance patch you could do worse than that one.
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Memoria is a cool and interesting idea for a final dungeon. It's also interesting to learn that memory is touched upon in all three PSX final fantasies
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FF9 Unleashed trip report: Just powered through the Desert Palace. Oeilvert was tough, but not bullshit tough like the Alexandria assault. I managed to down Ark on my first attempt though I was about running out of steam by the time I sunk it. The Desert Palace, as usual, was a breeze. The battles were a bit tougher than normal, as some enemy levels were changed making it impossible to just cheese your way through it by spamming Lv5 Death. I can't say the same for the boss, though. No mod can make Valia Pira a challenging battle as long as you use the Quina/Vivi/Eiko power trio  .
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Mega64 posted:Anyone try out this hack yet for FFT:WotL? Seems like it's supposed to balance out more of the tedious and bullshit parts of the game, but one should always be wary of ROM hacks. Just glancing over some of the changes, but it removes Move +3 and Move+2? What the hell? I see nothing about Teleport, which was already arguably the best movement ability. Removing Move+2 is just dumb. I suspect there are a bunch of changes I'm not seeing though, since it makes comments like "Summons have been lowered to Blizzard power. (PSX/PSP)", which just makes no sense if going from a base game perspective. Schwartzcough fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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Schwartzcough posted:Just glancing over some of the changes, but it removes Move +3 and Move+2? What the hell? I see nothing about Teleport, which was already arguably the best movement ability. Removing Move+2 is just dumb. The linked thread only includes the recent changes. There's a full changelist in the original PSX thread. I only skimmed it but there's a ton of changes. Mostly formula and stat adjustments, but there's a bunch of good and bad and weird stuff too. Special units can go on propositions, no random encounters unless you choose them, squire loses JP Up but calc gains it, hamedo and blade grasp are gone, charge has reduced CTR, guests join at party level. Oil status works too but I think that's the first thing every hack fixes. It looks alright as far as hacks go.
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Never played FF7 before, but I picked it up for the Vita when it was on sale. However, I understand the translation is pretty spotty. I've also heard there's a massive fan translation for the PC version that fixes all that (found it here). What's the best one to play FF7 for the first time with? Original translation, or the fan translation for added clarity?
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Cirosan posted:Never played FF7 before, but I picked it up for the Vita when it was on sale. However, I understand the translation is pretty spotty. I've also heard there's a massive fan translation for the PC version that fixes all that (found it here). Play the original version. The fixed translation has issues of its own and it's worth at least getting the version people are familiar with.
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ImpAtom posted:Play the original version. The fixed translation has issues of its own and it's worth at least getting the version people are familiar with. Out of curiousity, what are they? Just the usual fan translation hurdles of being too literal and edgy for edginess' sake?
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Fungah! posted:Out of curiousity, what are they? Just the usual fan translation hurdles of being too literal and edgy for edginess' sake? Too literal and insisting on using weird translations based off obscure Japanese sources. Like they used "Leno" instead of "Reno" becaue it's written as "Leno" in a Japanese character file! (Ignore the fact that English writing in Japanese-only material is often more style and substance and frequently does the L/R switch among many other things.) It's not a huge world-changing thing but clinging to "it's written in English here" is a really dumb thing to do. Like even if you're going to retranslate Elena's name, using Yrnea for イリーナ instead of say, Irina is silly, especially because there are other examples of the same name being translated as Irina and it's, y'know, an actual name. Likewise, Zeng and Tseng are both viable renderings of the Chinese name so changing it from the familiar name used by the English translation isn't actually 'correcting' anything, it's just fan-translation wankery. They're not even consistent with it because they went for "Zax" instead of "Zack" despite Zack being how it is written in English in several Japanese pieces of material. To be fair, S-E did alter the name slightly after the fact to read closer to Zack instead of Zax but this is a case where the official material was clarified to make it more clear what the intended reading was, and it just so happens to coincide with the official English translation. That's really not a case where you should be going for a different name. The original translation is really lovely, mind, but if you're playing through the first time you might as well be on the same page as everyone else and go for the retranslation if you decide to replay it. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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They also change "moogle" to "moguri" which I feel is just a loving insufferable thing to do.
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To be honest I'm mostly trusting ImpAtom's word here. I'm trying to hunt down a full script comparison to get a feel for it, as retranslation projects of FF games is something I have an embarrassing amount of interest for, but all I've found so far is a document containing the changes to names and terminology (here if you want to take a look at it). Generally speaking, though, the kind of translator who thinks the word "moogle" is an error that needs to be fixed is, in my estimation, approaching the project with the wrong attitude.
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Yeah, I admit that part of my problem with the project is just that the guys in charge really seem more interested in swinging their e-dicks around more than anything. (The FAQ section in the earlier linked page is pretty insufferable.) Objectively, it's hard to do a worse translation than the original FF7 without going full-on Wild Arms 2 or Machine Translated so the new one is a step up, it just hits a lot of annoyance-buttons for me even with the option to use the 'wrong' names. You might even feel differently, I just really do honestly feel a first playthrough makes more sense with the PSX version and a modded-to-hell-and-back experience on a replay so you can appreciate the changes both good and bad.
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The original translation is pretty bad, but at least you don't want to stuff the people who made it into a locker.
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One of the other big problems with the people doing the translation is they're....those sort of FFVII fans. The "There is no humor in this at all!" sorts. Scroll down a tad and you get this bit, on a future (psh, yeah. It's never happening) feature of the patch:quote:When finished, this mod will completely remove Cait Sith from the game in favour of a new human character called Iscar Matthias. Iscar is from Judus Iscariot, and Matthias was the apostle chosen to replace him. I have chosen these names to be symbolic of the character's betrayal, and change into a valued ally. Iscar will change and grow as a character. At first he will be a simple Shin-Ra spy, dedicated to his job, but over time, he will come to understand that he is working for the wrong people and change sides. Now granted, I'm not the biggest fan of Cait Sith, but really?
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