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animatorZed posted:Not ideal, but you can try what I'm doing which is to use xpadder/joy2key to map the dpad to the keyboard arrows like I mentioned in the other post. Zaggitz posted:Well Mask of the Sun and Dawn of Ys both started with the end of ys2 and Adol and Dogi going off to Celceta. Canonically those games take place before Oath in Felghana.Memories of Celceta is a remake/retcon and doesn't mention any of the Ys 2 ties, and also doesn't feature Dogi, which fits with my supposition because at the end of Oath Dogi says hes gonna stay in Felghana a while to help them rebuild. Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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Nate RFB posted:Dogi is in Celceta, albeit only a cameo during one of Adol's memories. He mentions he has to run off somewhere and will meet back up with Adol in a bit. Hmm, you're right, I just went back and watched them, he also mentions them escorting Doctor Flair from Ys1/2. The connection is alot more tenuous than in the original games though, and the other stuff I mentioned is way more questionable than the Dogi thing. Of note also is that Napishtim and Celceta both have some foreshadowing to what the Ys V remake might entail. That game is about the origin of alchemical magic and the darklings from Celceta and Napishtim have alchemical fairies.
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Zaggitz posted:Hmm, you're right, I just went back and watched them, he also mentions them escorting Doctor Flair from Ys1/2. The connection is alot more tenuous than in the original games though, and the other stuff I mentioned is way more questionable than the Dogi thing.
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Sol Galba isn't really a lesser Galbalan, the game just called him "the white Galbalan" in his subtitle. edit: Plus if you play the games in timeline order than you have a game where the name Galbalan is thrown in your face as if its a known element, then you get to Oath and they treat Galbalan like this unique entity that you've never encountered before. I suppose this is just ripples from the Napishtim retcons though, and I might be overthinking it. Falcom just does a really cool job of connecting everything and I'm trying to make sense of it in my head. 
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Aug 12, 2014 02:45
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Just finished Ys II, which one should I move on to next?
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Origins if you haven't played it yet. Otherwise, if your only option is PC, Oath, and if you have a Vita, Memories of Celceta then Oath.
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Zaggitz posted:I have kind of a spergy Ys query. *follows up over multiple posts* I'm sure there's a whole community of Ys fans over at the ALoY community forums that would love to continue this discussion with you. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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toddy. posted:I'm sure there's a whole community of Ys fans over at the ALoY community forums that would love to continue this discussion with you. I was done anyway, no need to be a dick about it. t 
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Wait so Ys IV was originally set before Ys III, but since the Vita game has been retconned to be set after it?
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And like magic Saralene seems to have fixed the analog/digital problem in Trails FC as well. Nice work!Mr. Fortitude posted:Wait so Ys IV was originally set before Ys III, but since the Vita game has been retconned to be set after it?
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Man I don't care how Adol feels about it. Stop making me out to be this weird ultra nerd. I just got confused about the game that takes place before the original Galbalan having a bunch of goddamn Galbalans in it. It's an inconsistent retcon, damnit.  But whatever I'm done talking about this. Especially since Toddy was tweeting about me like 3 hours before calling me out on here, which is extremely creepy and weird.
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It's cool it was good for a laugh. No franchise is complete without some sort of fanbase argument over The Canon.
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So I'm a couple of hours into TitS, and if I already thing Joshua is a passive aggressive rear end, is the rest of this game going to be painful? Edit: Played a little more, and not only does he seem to be unable to have a conversation with Estelle without demeaning her, but we watched him try to slaughter those defenseless cat things just loving because. Despite this, we've had an NPC go on about how nice he is and the protagonist tell him to stop saying he's a heartless dick because she knows it's not true after living with him for five years. Maybe they shouldn't have skipped the entire time period in which he did anything nice if they wanted anyone to like him. This game isn't for me, is it? Gao fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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Gao posted:So I'm a couple of hours into TitS, and if I already thing Joshua is a passive aggressive rear end, is the rest of this game going to be painful? You can't tell the difference between light-hearted teasing and being an rear end in a top hat? I'd say that the first few hours show Estelle at her most dumb/ditzy, and Joshua at his most grumpy. It does gets better. Honestly, Estelle can be more than a little grating in that early section, so I don't blame Joshua for his exasperation. It was done to tell the player all the important things in the world that they need to know, and they decided to do it by giving Estelle a sieve-brain. Joshua isn't wrong that when it comes to monsters, the Bracer's job is usually to exterminate them. You seem to have missed the point of the "exterminate the critters" scene, which is that Joshua recognizes that he sometimes lacks compassion in his pursuit of a purely practical solution. It wasn't about "wow, Joshua is a total rear end in a top hat". Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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I just finished the school life/festival arc in Trails in the Sky and this game is basically the best.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:You can't tell the difference between light-hearted teasing and being an rear end in a top hat? That's how it came off at first, but he never ever seems to let up. He can't seem to have a conversation with her without telling her she's a moron. Even when he tries to cheer her up, he still has to put something in there to bring her down again. There's a point where enough teasing becomes abusive, and he crossed that a while ago. Anyway, I do plan to play it more, but is it at least possible to remove this guy from my party at some point? I really can't see myself coming around to him. Also, are they really trying to set up adopted siblings as a couple as if that weren't really creepy? Gao fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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Gao posted:That's how it came off at first, but he never ever seems to let up. He can't seem to have a conversation with her without telling her she's a moron. Even when he tries to cheer her up, he still has to put something in there to bring her down again. There's a point where enough teasing becomes abusive, and he crossed that a while ago. Do you have a sibling? My sister and I talk poo poo about each all the drat time. Through some miracle, neither of us have ever taken the constant ribbing badly.
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No, you can't remove Joshua from the party. Keep playing, and keep a more open mind. The thing you're complaining about will decrease pretty quickly.
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look it pains me to say it because I think I've made my fondness for Trails more than clear, but dude probably isn't going to like the game. He pretty much dislikes everything about a cornerstone of the game's story.
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Play about an hour and a half of Celceta last night, which I assume is also a lot like Ys Seven? I was okay with the more formal RPG elements like the full switchable party, spammable skills, and quest system; they made this game feel a lot like one of Namco's Tales Of games without the obnoxious JRPG issue of having to stop progress in a field to load up a battle. I really miss the minor platforming elements from Origin and Felghana, though. e: dodge rolling everywhere is the best mode of transportation. Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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Man, as much as I liked TitS, I never found that people became more tolerable. By the end of the game, I had the following list of people who I wanted to punch in the face for being jerks: 1) Everyone except Tita People are just constantly such condescending assholes to Estelle, despite the fact that she meets every challenge thrown at her. Josette, Kloe and Tita (all girls, probably not coincidentally) are about the only people that actually respect Estelle, rather than being 'impressed that the klutzy airhead didn't screw it up', or however all the mentor figures said it. Obviously it wasn't that bad all the time, but that's the overarching theme I remember. I'm still going to buy SC the day it comes out, I just wish the writing were less obnoxious. Also (endgame spoiler) less pseudo-incest.
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To be fair, Estelle usually gives as good as she gets. I remember that the most often occurance of her being insulted ends with her insulting the person who did so.
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Seriously, I just don't get it. Estelle gets some poo poo for being kind of a dumbass, but, well, she is kind of a dumbass, and it's not like literally every conversation is about that. The only one who's seriously mean-spirited about it is Agate, and Agate is an rear end in a top hat that basically nobody takes seriously.
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It's anime, don't expect too much from the characters. Just enjoy the grind. Carpe Fulgar Translations, goons of Recettear and Fortune Summoners fame, are helping with the translation of SC so the dialogue will have to be better through creative liberties if nothing else. I am getting less crashes now since I turned the resolution up and turned HD fonts back on. Maybe it's just luck.  Luckily the things that cause it to crash for me always happen right after it does an autosave on page 0 of the save files. Useful!
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Some might say I have gone overboard considering I just got done escorting the reporters to the top of the tower in the Prologue. To those I say, yeah probably, but slinging around Aerials and Hell Gates and Shadow Spears is super fun.
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Terper posted:Some might say I have gone overboard considering I just got done escorting the reporters to the top of the tower in the Prologue. Wait till you get White Gehenna 
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SC Bracer posted:Wait till you get White Gehenna I could have, but I like a more spread moveset right now. e: Actually, looking at the available stuff, I don't think it's actually possible with the available quartz. Terper fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Terper posted:I could have, but I like a more spread moveset right now. I think you only get the quartz you need for it in the second chapter at earliest. And then you can nuke everything with literal hellbats.
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Yeah you can setup Hell Gate in the Prologue and White Gehanna in Chapter 2. I know this because both are way earlier than you can set up similar magic of different elements. Time magic rules.
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Speaking of which, I just opened all of Estelle's slots. And the Silver Streak isn't as impressive when you're just one level below her. Darn you, Shining Poms, killing you is a drug and I'm the addict. 
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Cake Attack posted:I know this because both are way earlier than you can set up similar magic of different elements. Time magic rules. Chaos brand makes pretty much any non-immune enemy/boss encounter highly amusing. Almost nothing resists it too, until the very endgame.
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animatorZed posted:Chaos brand makes pretty much any non-immune enemy/boss encounter highly amusing. Almost nothing resists it too, until the very endgame. I never realised how good it was until this run, where I spent most of the game laughing while enemies beat each other to death. Spending some time grinding up the sepith is so worth it. Also Olivier has such an op orbment line. It didn't hit me how good it was until I was trying to get a decent setup on Kloe, who has 3 water locks as opposed to 1 mirage lock. And then you have stuff like Zane who had more spells than my dedicated casters because of the stats spread I gave him but they were all the really lovely low tier ones.
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Gao posted:Anyway, I do plan to play it more, but is it at least possible to remove this guy from my party at some point? I really can't see myself coming around to him. Also, are they really trying to set up adopted siblings as a couple as if that weren't really creepy? What's so creepy there? Joshua was 'adopted' when he was 12. IIRC the thing in our brain that tells us not to fall in love with our siblings only works if triggered at a very young age. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect
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Well, there is a significant amount of creepiness associated with hitting on step-siblings full stop from a societal perspective, in-built biological drives aside. Yeah there is no actual incest involved but there is a significant squick reaction invoked in many people. In a similar way that relationships/marriages between cousins invoke that same reaction in certain places but are seen as perfectly acceptable in others. I just looked this up on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage) and marrying first cousins is allowed in most of the world with the US (where is depends on state laws it seems) and China being the notable exceptions. They are still drat uncommon overall though. Anyway, for me Tales in the Sky was mostly full of heartwarming and it is kinda disconcerting how other people read so much meanness into it. Stop making me see my nice and fuzzy fantasy world in a grim light.
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So I just finished Ys I Chronicles + and man, Dark Fact spiked my enjoyment of that game into the dirt. Everything leading up to that was pretty fun, though, and I've heard Ys II isn't so obnoxious, so I'll have to play that next.
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I looked up the ending of Ys 1 on youtube and then moved on to Ys 2. I have no regrets.
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Munin posted:Well, there is a significant amount of creepiness associated with hitting on step-siblings full stop from a societal perspective, in-built biological drives aside. Yeah there is no actual incest involved but there is a significant squick reaction invoked in many people. Funnily enough, the creepiness has to be reserved for everyone BUT Estelle and Joshua who keeps pairing them up. Eventually I decided that the only one who was fooled was Estelle herself. I was also a bit uncertain about the apparent Estelle-Joshua romance angle at first myself, but I think the game handled it pretty well. It's not an instant thing, there's a fairly slow buildup, with doubt, uncertainty, and self-examination.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Funnily enough, the creepiness has to be reserved for everyone BUT Estelle and Joshua who keeps pairing them up. Eventually I decided that the only one who was fooled was Estelle herself. Yup, I agree.In general I think the characters are well handled and do grow significantly over the course of the game.
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Shlapintogan posted:So I just finished Ys I Chronicles + and man, Dark Fact spiked my enjoyment of that game into the dirt. Everything leading up to that was pretty fun, though, and I've heard Ys II isn't so obnoxious, so I'll have to play that next. I dunno man, most of the bosses were like playing shmups where you had to dodge incoming fire, and Darm was really irritating. The rest of it is good stuff, getting lost in the later areas aside.
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