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MC Fruit Stripe posted:IT chat: we're all hideously out of shape, some of you are downright ugly, and all of us need to exercise more. Implying. Actually, wrestling just gave me a weight complex that stuck, so I'm in fantastic shape. Self-improvement via learning and self-improvement at the gym don't seem that far apart. Spending an hour a day lifting can dramatically improve your life, and we all have time (play less vidya, drink less beer, post on SA less, wake up earlier, whatever). I managed to go to school full-time, work full-time, make it to the gym every day, and still found plenty of relaxation time. Misogynist posted:Speaking of positivity, sorry to be a self-promoting pain in the rear end, but we just had a huge product launch of Rabbit, and we held together despite huge traffic surges from Reddit's front page and friends. If you're tired of Google Hangouts, or if you want to watch Netflix or HBO Go with a friend across the country or the ocean, give us a shot (and send us feedback). Congrats! Why no Firefox? Or maybe I just don't see it (I'm on mobile and fully intend to visit). We're currently evaluating platforms, and hangouts v bluejeans is the play right now. But this looks really promising. Pricing? Support for more than 10 participants?
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:IT chat: we're all hideously out of shape, some of you are downright ugly, and all of us need to exercise more. Who's with me on a vague, non-committal promise to do something about it? Hell yeah. Just had my first day (back) at the gym yesterday, and I can barely move my arms today. IT is great because you can be sore as gently caress and be able to spend your time recovering in a chair.
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Aug 20, 2014 00:46
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Been getting up around 0430 a few times a week for years now so I can get to the gym when it opens. It makes for a long day, and sometimes in the late afternoon I have to remind myself that I worked out that day and don't need to go the next morning.
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Aug 20, 2014 01:13
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:Hell yeah. Just had my first day (back) at the gym yesterday, and I can barely move my arms today. IT is great because you can be sore as gently caress and be able to spend your time recovering in a chair. Unless you are one of those poor souls working in a datacenter and racking servers. I do not miss that one bit.
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Aug 20, 2014 01:26
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I go to the gym at least 5 days a week. We have a gym on campus which is primarily for Physical Therapy patients, but we also have a "Sports Performance Institute" to train athletes. I gave up drinking alcohol and soda a while back as well. I've done a few Warrior Dashes and a Tough Mudder. Some of us here at work are currently trying to get a small team for this years Warrior Dash (NorCal). It was a lot of fun last year when I was able to talk a couple of people into participating. Hoping it'll be all the better this year. Holy poo poo, DT. There's no way in hell I'd get up @ 4:30AM to go to the gym. As it is, I can barely manage to get my rear end up at 8AM. Even then, I'm pretty worthless until I've had some coffee (lots of it).
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Aug 20, 2014 01:33
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Gym before work crew represent. Just started going 4-5 times a week myself on the regular a little over a month ago. Besides the lack of sleep it actually helps quite a bit with getting the energy level up early in the day and keeping it there. I'm still fat, but working on it.
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Aug 20, 2014 01:35
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Well, I'm getting back into normal life again, but prior to going overseas I was pretty good at waking up at 5:30 to run or go to the gym. Dealing with stupid poo poo was a lot more pleasant with a runner's high.
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Aug 20, 2014 01:43
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I've never had a gym membership in my life, but I think that is going to be on my list of goals once I switch to the working at home thing. I want to get out and do something like that every morning, or walk to the park or something before I start my work day. It will be nice to be free from the chains of working on shifts and have time every day to do things like improve my health, practice guitar, get some fresh air, read.
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Eh, I'm rail thin because I have an awesome metabolism but probably should work out  If anything, I need to start cooking at home. Eating out all the time is a huge waste of money, even if you have the money. Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Aug 20, 2014 01:47
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psydude posted:Dealing with stupid poo poo was a lot more pleasant with a runner's high. I used to have some pretty crazy mood swings sometimes. Just the dumbest poo poo would set me off. I could go from upbeat to steaming mad in no time, over little things. Then I got off my rear end and got into shape and all those mood swings just stopped. It was a really pleasant surprise, and makes it much easier to focus on stuff that is actually important with a clear head.
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Tab8715 posted:Eh, I'm rail then because I have an awesome metabolism but probably should work out I just want to say that this isn't really true. Metabolic differences between individuals are about 200 kcal/day. Extreme cases notwithstanding (feeding prisoners ludicrous amounts of calories to test set-point weight theories), most people with "fast metabolisms" just underestimate their intake. Studies back this up, but I'll use myself as an example. If left to my own devices without overtly thinking about eating 4000 calories, I'd fall down to around 145lbs. I'm currently 190 at about 10% body fat. I eat 'a lot' even while skinny, and I can 'outeat' almost everyone I know, but I don't habitually snack, so I pretty much just eat at mealtimes (even if that "meal" is a bag of chips). So I might eat a large pizza and a dozen wings for dinner after having a burger for lunch. But the next day, I'm just not that hungry. So I'll go out to eat, but eat lighter (relatively). Maybe it's still tacos or burgers, but it's not that many calories in absolute terms. Eating a lot is actually really hard for some people. I guess what I'm saying is that if you tracked your caloric input for a while (on myfitnesspal or wolfram alpha or whatever), it wouldn't be as high as you think it is on a week-to-week basis.
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I hit the gym with co-workers during lunch, usually every work day. Lucky, there's a really nice facility on campus and employees get to use it for free. Lunchtime is alright, although sometimes I'd rather eat and watch tv during that hour. Students moved in today, though, so it will be interesting to see how much busier the place gets during that hour.
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Aug 20, 2014 02:26
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CloFan posted:Are you Jeff? Why doesn't Jeff have anywhere he'd rather be? There are only three team members that don't have anywhere they'd rather be, and one is a dog. WHAT ARE YOU HIDING? Edit: Gymchat I'm going to start trying to hit the gym three times a week now. I sit in a chair most of my day, I don't want to be the guy that throws his back out while tying his shoe. Dr. Arbitrary fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Aug 20, 2014 02:39
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Re: metabolism. I share the pet peeve that evol262 apparently has. It's fun asking my friends with "high metabolisms" track what they eat. When left to my own devices I've settled in around 170lbs with no muscle mass worth noting. After 2 weeks straight of drinking in my hometown I am sure I'm a bit more. Finally getting back to the gym when I get home.
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Aug 20, 2014 02:44
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:IT chat: we're all hideously out of shape, some of you are downright ugly, and all of us need to exercise more. Who's with me on a vague, non-committal promise to do something about it? I've been doing couch to 5k over the summer (as evidenced by me posting my progress in #bofh). I haven't lost any weight because I keep eating my favorite foods (rice) but I'm getting faster and I'm actually managing to run 5Ks all the way. Slowly, but surely.
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Forgot to say, congrats psydude! Hope it works out. And congrats on the launch, Casull posted:I've been doing couch to 5k over the summer (as evidenced by me posting my progress in #bofh). I haven't lost any weight because I keep eating my favorite foods (rice) but I'm getting faster and I'm actually managing to run 5Ks all the way. Slowly, but surely. This program owns for sure. I went through it maybe a year and a half ago and it does what it says on the tin, took my fat rear end from being able to run literally about 30 seconds at a time to running 5km several times a week. But then we had a kid, my free time and energy levels fell off a cliff, and I stopped. I need to pick it back up now that she's sleeping a little better and I have the energy to so much as stand up after work again  Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:Hell yeah. Just had my first day (back) at the gym yesterday, and I can barely move my arms today. IT is great because you can be sore as gently caress and be able to spend your time recovering in a chair.  Actually also had my first day back at the gym in forever today (see above re: baby). Promptly hurt my thigh pretty good doing squats! Guess I was too lazy about stretching.
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Congrats psydude!  I dragged myself into workout clothes and exercised tonight. I can't be wearing maternity clothes because of the baby when she learns how to walk. That's my deadline for getting back into button-waist pants.
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evol262 posted:Congrats! Why no Firefox? Or maybe I just don't see it (I'm on mobile and fully intend to visit). Firefox is complicated. Its support for WebRTC is really lacking in fundamental areas across the board. The echo cancellation is bad enough that if a user without a headset joins a chat (say, using a built-in laptop or webcam microphone) they'll ruin the audio for everyone in the chat. It also doesn't do SRTP key renegotiation correctly, so the CPU usage is literally an order of magnitude higher on all our WebRTC servers when we have Firefox users because we need to re-encrypt the stream separately for every source->destination pair instead of using a single key for each room. We're going to be investing significant dev resources in the coming months to make sure Firefox users have a good user experience, however we manage to do that. Vulture Culture fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Misogynist posted:Free! We also don't (currently) have any plans to charge end-users -- that seems like a losing play and even Skype backed away from that model. Support for larger group chats is coming in a future release; if this is something that's important to you, please submit feedback! I'd be happy to relay it on your behalf, but it makes our product team happy when they hear directly from users. The stack can easily accommodate dozens of users at a time in a chat, and the 10-user limit is honestly pretty arbitrary, but we've been trying really hard to figure out what a good UX feels like for that many users in a room. Firefox is getting bad again lately in a lot of ways, it seems. Flat/free pricing is great! But there are a lot of businesses who'll pay (ala spideroak blue). I'll send some mails to internal lists and see what kind of feedback we get. The biggest complaints so far are that Hangouts is limited in users and the bluejeans plugin is unreliable (and sometimes frankly bad). Group video chat with screen sharing that supports more than 10 users with no plugins required really strikes me as the kind of product people will happily pay for...
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Add a good whiteboard and moderator controlled breakout rooms and you have the education market sown up.
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I need a good video chat for morning standup meetings. So far I've had issues both with hangouts and Skype having lovely quality (even though i'm on a great connection here in Stockholm, so probably on the Mexican end) and my mic not working with people yelling "we can't hear you!" and trying to call up 47 times while I keep denying the call so I can try to fix / chat with them.
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Just have my first high level webex presentation about the current and future state of server operating systems in our production environment to about 40 architects. I think I need a beer now...
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I have a gym in the office that comes as a perk. So 3 times a week I am doing weights with 2 mornings of cardio (usually a cross trainer and bike) then at the weekend just walking when I can. It gets you going in the morning that that last hour can be a killer some days.
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re: gymchat: it's not convenient for me to cycle to work at my current job, but I playe Ingress (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3557872&pagenumber=1) so I cycle about in the evenings playing the game, which hasn't helped me get any thinner, but I do feel fitter, so it's a start
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gymchat: I am 6'1 and was 200 pounds, skinnyfat basically. Started going to the gym 5 times a week and a 20 mile bike ride on the weekends, didn't see much of an improvement except for increased endurance. Started watching my calorie intake (ranging from 1400 - 1800) and took beer almost completely out of my diet and boom, 2 months later I'm down to my target of 175 and have my high school tone back. Diet is important folks.
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Misogynist posted:You know what critical piece you're ignoring? Modern IT jobs require more skills than they used to regardless of how long it takes to learn any one of them. Wages are going up mostly because there is a tech bubble. You don't need a degree to have soft skills, and many people with and without degrees have terrible soft skills. It is a stereotype in general that many people in IT have poor soft skills. The tools we all have available require less knowledge to use. It is relatively simple to deploy email with archiving, spam filtering, message encryption and availability for an organization through Office 365. This is much simpler than installing exchange properly. There is a group at Microsoft that is doing the job of hundreds of different sysadmins spread out with less time and delivering a better product. Do you still need to know how to setup an exchange server? How to host a website? VOIP PBX?
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lampey posted:Do you still need to know how to setup an exchange server? How to host a website? VOIP PBX? Absolutely you do. For example, we don't allow cloud services here, and we cannot store data on American servers either. So everything like Exchange and web hosting are in-house. It's a lot more common than you think outside the USA.
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lampey posted:Wages are going up mostly because there is a tech bubble. You don't need a degree to have soft skills, and many people with and without degrees have terrible soft skills. It is a stereotype in general that many people in IT have poor soft skills. Wages are going up because you're expected to know a much wider array of skills than ever before, and rolling "Jr. Network Admin" into the duties of whoever is managing your AWS infrastructure comes with a commensurate rise in pay. Yes, you still need to know how to set up a web server. Yes, you still need to know how to set up VOIP (Lync is also dreadful). You may not need to know how to set up Exchange (but a lot of regulated shops do). You do need to know basic scripting even as a Windows admin (you didn't need to before). You do need to know how to use configuration management systems. You do need to know about data storage, and horizontal scaling, and continuous integration, and virtualization, and high-availability, and load-balancing, and you do suddenly need to worry about routing through software defined networks and how that works, and the best backup strategy for your VMs instead of your email (but VMware doesn't tie into your backup strategy quite so nicely), and how to handle site-to-site failover without your infrastructure going to pot (because you don't have a "cold" or "hot" backup site anymore -- you have VMs, and the SAN better be replicating properly), and... Just because some of the skills you considered important have been obsoleted doesn't mean you have to know less or that the job is getting easier. You also need to learn what correlation is. Degrees are correlated with soft skills. Technical workers (specialized workers in general, whether enlisted v. officers in the military, electricians v. project/site managers, sysadmins v. business analysts) are correlated with not having soft skills. There are exceptions to both. It doesn't make it less valid. It also has absolutely nothing to do with the assertion that a degree is good for your career.
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lampey posted:Do you still need to know how to setup an exchange server? How to host a website? VOIP PBX? What do you actually do? Because I find it hard to believe that you've been around IT very long if you think no one actually needs to know how to do these things.
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You are all wrong! It is a fact! Fact! that H1 visa holders are suppressing wages and steal jobs from Americans  Yours a L1 visa holder
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lampey posted:Wages are going up mostly because there is a tech bubble. You don't need a degree to have soft skills, and many people with and without degrees have terrible soft skills. It is a stereotype in general that many people in IT have poor soft skills. Well, look, I already told you. I deal with the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills. I am good at dealing with people! Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
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I've been helping migrate non-production environments for an older version of one of our applications to a new data center. This application was built more than a decade ago, has very little documentation, lovely error logging, and a ton of moving parts. It's a mess to configure even when you know what all the environmental variables are. So we're trying to move things and hitting all sorts of snags and the one thing that keeps me going is documenting my progress in group chat messages as if I was some sort of sci-fi explorer:quote:i have delved deep. too deep it seems. i have lost my way in a twisted maze. turning back now would be folly. i have no other choice than to press on and look for a light leading me out of this cursed darkness. quote:i thought i saw a light marking the way out of this cursed place, but as i approached it seemed to never get any closer. the goal i seek is constantly shifting. am I making any progress at all? i can not be sure. but i will continue searching for answers. quote:what I thought was a light was just my mind playing tricks on me. the bright side is that i have now gone over my own footsteps so many countless times that i know my path to freedom can't be much further away. quote:there is no bright side. the sun has exploded. and in a cruel twist of fate we are somehow still alive, alone on a desolate husk of a dying planet. that planet's name: version9
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lampey posted:Wages are going up mostly because there is a tech bubble. You don't need a degree to have soft skills, and many people with and without degrees have terrible soft skills. It is a stereotype in general that many people in IT have poor soft skills.
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Misogynist posted:My job is web infrastructure engineering and operations, so you could say I need to know how to host a website. Just use GoDaddy, sheesh.
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There are an enormous amount of companies that refuse to use any cloud services. Security being their absolute first priority. Then features - not every On-Premise feature works in the cloud but cost is also something that surprises a lot of people. If you're dealing with just a hundred users - Exchange Online is potentially a good email solution however once you start hitting a few hundred, or a thousand it's not so tempting. Exchange Online Plan 2 - $8.00 for each user per month. 500 Users is $8x500 = 4000 or $48,000 per year. If you've got that many users you've probably already have decent hardware, Full-Time-Employees. I can't speak for exact Exchange Licensing but it's comparable. Once you start looking at even bigger deployments, the SLAs for Exchange Online are often not sufficient. Microsoft will certainly offer some kind of guarantee but it's not going to be as affordable. Lastly, the service is merely hosted and you still need to manage it. You might not need to know how to install Exchange but you're going to need to know how to manage it. Not everything you want to do is in a nice GUI either and you'll need to have somewhat decent understanding of Powershell.
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Not necessarily. About 4 or 5 years ago we moved from GroupWise to Exchange and I can count on one hand how many times I had to use Powershell, and that was only to get a report of mailbox sizes.
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GreenNight posted:Not necessarily. About 4 or 5 years ago we moved from GroupWise to Exchange and I can count on one hand how many times I had to use Powershell, and that was only to get a report of mailbox sizes. It's not something that would necessarily be done everyday but I imported users from an existing environment with a csv, adjusted password policies, mass-reset passwords. Larger environments probably see a ton of PS use. Someone with bigger Exchange background should probably chime in here... Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Right but I was more talking every day management. One offs like that are for sure better in Powershell. We're not big enough to ever see those type of projects.
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I just do storage and I still use PS to get information about our Exchange environment on a fairly regular basis. When you've got 100s of mailbox DBs doing anything by hand is not realistic. And, of course, as stuff like that moves off prem more jobs are created an cloud service providers and those jobs are going to require more skills than your run of the mill sysadmin has, not fewer.
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I'm not our Exchange admin, but with several thousand mailboxes across multiple sites I know Powershell is used daily for reports if nothing else.
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