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Cactus posted:Tl;dr: The GR should probably speak to each other when they're alone, or it should have been explicitly addressed by now - eight episodes in - what the reasoning is behind them choosing a life of total muteness. Yeah they probably should talk, but I sort of think, at least now, that the whole not talking thing has culminated in the slapping of Steve Tyler's hot daughter Liv, and that that was the goal all along. It was so cathartic for me and I didn't get to do the slapping. It was like getting to slap Steve himself for ever being involved in writing a song like the theme of Armageddon. In other words I'm imagining that they don't talk ever just so Liv Tyler could join them and just start talking a lot and then get smacked because of it. And to try to avoid the LOST criticisms? Nah I think it hasn't worked either but it had to definitely be worth a try. That was such a godawful show and The Leftovers is just more mature and sophisticated. It kind of feels like, for the most part, regardless of plot or theme, that every mainstream network TV show's plots pretty much revolve around who is in love with whom, which seems really stupid and immature to me. LOST seemed to turn into this later and all the characters were complete dogshit. But this show? I can get into this show, even if I have no idea what is going on. No stupid romances to get in the way. Yeah there's Nora and Kevin, but it's not some immature superficial relationship like they portray on other TV shows. I like the fact that they don't give Jill a love interest. I like that for the most part all the characters are too broken for love. Overall I just like that this show doesn't get distracted from the bigger picture or hasn't yet fallen back on the typical tropes that shows do when they lose sight of where they are going with the story. I guess I just, like, hate love, and stuff, man.
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Toshimo posted:All I'm sayin' is, if I beat a dude to death in a casino parking lot with his girlfriend watching, they'd probably have that poo poo on camera and I'd wake up from a 3 day coma to find myself in cuffs.
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Aug 19, 2014 15:17
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Cactus posted:Funny you should say that; I was in exactly that situation not so long ago except it was me that was being screamed at and the only option I felt was correct at the time was to sit there like a GR rear end in a top hat not saying anything. My reasoning was that nothing I say right now in the heat of the moment will be the correct answer, and I'll learn more about what is upsetting this person by listening to the rant rather than trying to interrupt it and making it worse. Turns out in this case I was right. I think the vows of silence are just a way to make themselves a little more miserable, like the constant smoking and no colors. I think they want to wallow in their depression and self-hatred, and not having conversations allows them to do that. Otherwise I would imagine living in the cult house would be like going to camp. As for the possibility of the producers lying about answering questions, I don't know but I could certainly believe it. I really don't understand the hate Lost gets for not answering questions, but I didn't watch it when it first aired. I powered through it on Netflix two or three years ago and was pretty satisfied with it as a whole. The only mystery that was really left unsettled, as far as I remember, is what the deal with Walt was, but I'm willing to accept the meta-answer of "the actor went through puberty and therefore was too old for the part". I think by the time we're done we'll get a few strong hints, maybe even an explanation for one of the side mysteries like Holy Wayne or the dogs, but nothing absolute about the 2%. And I agree with you that it's very liberating, I really like the fact that, like the characters, I'm probably not going to get an answer. It's really making me empathize.
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Aug 19, 2014 15:18
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Sheriff posted:I really don't understand the hate Lost gets for not answering questions, but I didn't watch it when it first aired. I may be wrong, but hadn't they been promising answers before the show wrapped?
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Aug 19, 2014 15:20
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life is killing me posted:I may be wrong, but hadn't they been promising answers before the show wrapped? Sorry, should have been more clear, I think they did answer almost all the major questions, save for Walt. I understand not necessarily liking the answers, but I think they were there. The epilogue settled a few remaining questions that lingered after the finale as well.
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Aug 19, 2014 15:30
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They were mostly answered before the last season even. The answer was just "magic." The thing that turned me off about the show, other than the fact that it just got dull, was that the early seasons very much were about finding out mysteries. Whats in the hatch, what's Dharma, etc. The whole whole "don't expect answers!" said after the fact really felt like they were just backpedaling. I think that's a major contrast with Leftovers, which I really do think has been mostly about how the characters are reacting to this weird event.
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Aug 19, 2014 15:47
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Sheriff posted:Sorry, should have been more clear, I think they did answer almost all the major questions, save for Walt. I understand not necessarily liking the answers, but I think they were there. The epilogue settled a few remaining questions that lingered after the finale as well. Yeah I think a lot of people didn't like the answers because they seemed tacked on rather than actually making as much sense as they possibly could. It's almost as if the writers and producers had no idea where they were going with the show and just flew by the seat of their pants, surviving on its popularity by the viewers who expected answers, and if they kept the show going they felt they had time to formulate them. Now I could be wrong about that, and regardless, the answers being there is way less important than the answers being good ones if they are there at all, especially after taking up hours of viewers' lives who expected to find out because they were being promised answers. I don't know, the only comparison LOST really has with this show, in a legit sense, is that they show no intention of providing answers here as far as I can tell. This show knows what it is right out the gate and LOST didn't hit puberty, well, ever. But besides that, like I said in a previous post, this show is just more mature. Perhaps that's because it's HBO, who has a much better record of producing mature shows than NBC or CBS or ABC or FOX.
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Aug 19, 2014 15:50
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Cactus posted:What are the odds that the producers were lying when they said that the answers would never come, in order to be able to tell their story in peace and get to the end while heading off at the pass all the ex-LOST people's criticisms? I mean, if that's what they're doing it obviously hasn't worked (haha of course it didn't haha) unless they're simply trolling us all for shits and giggles. If I were in Damon Lindelof's position and had had years of assholes being assholes at me about a loving TV show, that's probably what I'd do. Yeah well after Lost I don't think they would say 'there will be answers' ever again. Lost had a lot of answers but people just either didn't like them, didn't get them, or it was something random like 'who shot at them on the raft?'. I'm not too worried by how much we do find out. I'd like to know more about the GR though.
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Aug 19, 2014 16:15
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I think this show will provide a decent amount of answers, much like Lost did (whether you like them or not). I think Lindelof has just learned an important lesson about hyping up the fans expectations.
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Aug 19, 2014 16:26
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The more I watch the less I care about what caused the Not-Rapture. I think the big difference between this and Lost is that they piled mystery upon mystery. Why did we crash? What's that sound? Who are those people? Is that a loving polar bear? etc, etc. The Leftovers big mystery has already happened and anything else that we've seen thusfar is just as likely to be greed, despair or mental illness as anything supernatural.
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Aug 19, 2014 16:33
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I hope the season 1 cliffhanger is another event. As it stands now, the premise of "it happened once" is interesting enough, but how about if it were to become a regular thing? If it happens once only, within a few generations I think society would pretty much recover. It would be consigned to an unexplainable event in our history, and would probably become disbelieved as a thing that actually happened after everyone alive at the time dies off and it shrinks further and further into the past. Imagine how it would transform society if every 3-5 years a couple hundred million random people vanish into thin air.
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Aug 19, 2014 17:02
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I actually like Lost but so far, for me at least, this show doesn't seen like it's interested in exploring the central mystery as much as it just wants to muse about how nihilistic and dysfunctional people have become as a result of it.
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Aug 19, 2014 17:05
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-Blackadder- posted:I actually like Lost but so far, for me at least, this show doesn't seen like it's interested in exploring the central mystery as much as it just wants to muse about how nihilistic and dysfunctional people have become as a result of it. I really like the idea of Dog Sniper being a guy from another place that got blinked into existence when everyone else got blinked out.
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Aug 19, 2014 17:31
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homo punching bag posted:I really like the idea of Dog Sniper being a guy from another place that got blinked into existence when everyone else got blinked out. Had to have been. I mean, I know little to nothing about NY in general and much less upstate NY (which is where I assume this is set) but that guy seems pretty out of place in a small town like that where a lot of people know a lot of people and no one knows him really. He just kind of showed up one day.
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Aug 19, 2014 17:39
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Jill's whole "not okay" point with the gun felt ridiculous. If Nora was still "not okay" but deliberately hiding it from Garvey she would still be carrying her gun around in her purse the other times when she's not just going over to Garvey's house for dinner. Finding the gun at home should be proof that Nora is "okay" now, because she is in fact no longer carrying it around. I don't feel like it was reasonable to hang all of her okay/not okay ideas on whether Nora still had the gun somewhere, and I'm not sure what the big deal was in the first place for carrying it around. This is America, don't people conceal carry all the time everywhere that's not a big city? At the end of the episode Kevin was willing to give up all of his relationships and his status in society, which was what Patti wanted, and by committing suicide she makes sure he can't undo the damage he caused while blacked out. Other questions: Why the ritual with the shirts? Did Kevin actually gently caress Aimee? Why are the twins so cute?
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Aug 19, 2014 17:40
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life is killing me posted:Had to have been. I mean, I know little to nothing about NY in general and much less upstate NY (which is where I assume this is set) but that guy seems pretty out of place in a small town like that where a lot of people know a lot of people and no one knows him really. He just kind of showed up one day. Maybe he used to work for a weird scientific expedition on an island somewhere. messagemode1 posted:At the end of the episode Kevin was willing to give up all of his relationships and his status in society, which was what Patti wanted, and by committing suicide she makes sure he can't undo the damage he caused while blacked out. bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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Aug 19, 2014 17:42
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Subterfrugal posted:The more I watch the less I care about what caused the Not-Rapture. I think the big difference between this and Lost is that they piled mystery upon mystery. Why did we crash? What's that sound? Who are those people? Is that a loving polar bear? etc, etc. The Leftovers big mystery has already happened and anything else that we've seen thusfar is just as likely to be greed, despair or mental illness as anything supernatural. This is pretty much how I feel. I was really iffy on the idea of pretty much ignoring the mystery itself but as this has gone on I've cared less about it and more about the characters. I'd be a curious to see what the comments were like in the early days of lost and compare them to the comments here. messagemode1 posted:Jill's whole "not okay" point with the gun felt ridiculous. If Nora was still "not okay" but deliberately hiding it from Garvey she would still be carrying her gun around in her purse the other times when she's not just going over to Garvey's house for dinner. Finding the gun at home should be proof that Nora is "okay" now, because she is in fact no longer carrying it around. I don't think she hosed him but Jill was being a bitch so Aimee just turned it around on her. From what we've seen of Kevin, minus the Dog Sniper blackouts, he wouldn't let something like that happen. The first time they hinted at it when he's getting ready and Aimee asks if he wants some coffee I thought he looked really uncomfortable. HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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homo punching bag posted:I really like the idea of Dog Sniper being a guy from another place that got blinked into existence when everyone else got blinked out. Wherever the Dog Guy is from the U.S. dollar is worth a lot more than this world.
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Aug 19, 2014 19:38
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Professor Shark posted:Wherever the Dog Guy is from the U.S. dollar is worth a lot more than this world. You just don't gently caress around with a guy who dips and knows how to use a high powered rifle like that. He wants his dollar? You give him his god damned dollar.
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Aug 19, 2014 20:00
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:You just don't gently caress around with a guy who dips and knows how to use a high powered rifle like that. He wants his dollar? You give him his god damned dollar. Not to mention someone who can somehow get a full sized dog into a mailbox.
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Aug 19, 2014 20:29
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I don't think she hosed Kevin but it sure seemed like in a couple episodes she wasn't exactly going out of her way to be modest around him. And yeah it clearly makes Kevin uncomfortable. I'd love to find out why she is even staying there if we're not going to expect answers about the meta story. e: Have a feeling her whole family vanished like Nora's did, seems like the most likely answer I guess, given the context. Nora already had a place to stay, but a teenager losing her whole family seems like would be more trouble to deal with since she's not an adult. I'd go stay with a friend too if that happened to me in fantasy land. life is killing me fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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Aug 19, 2014 21:29
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Not me. I'd jump on the beds and watch grown-up movies and set hilarious slapstick booby traps for the burglars breaking into my house.
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Aug 19, 2014 21:37
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I really don't get the impression Aimee's parents/family vanished with the other 2%. Her attitude just doesn't seem like someone who's been so intimately and personally affected by it. She looks at Nora with a fascination in the earlier episodes like some lab rat that should be studied/watched. If Nora's situation was exactly like hers, I'd imagine she wouldn't be so keen on breaking into her car for lotion and stale candy. I think she's just your run of the mill orphan from a dysfunctional or nonexistent home and stays with friends.
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Aug 19, 2014 21:48
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I think her story may be similar to Liv Tyler's where she lost her family because of reasons entirely unrelated to the not-rapture and therefore has either animosity towards those who lost people or just doesn't sympathize because she has her own loss. I actually really liked the bit of characterization they gave Liv Tyler this past episode, revealing that her mother died the day before everyone vanished and the incident hijacked her grief. So it makes sense that she isn't really committed to the GR as demonstrated by her talking because her grief is very different.
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Aug 19, 2014 22:02
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Patty literally tells us that it doesn't matter what happened so we're not going to get any answers.
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Aug 19, 2014 23:12
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The more I watch this season, the more I wish True Detective was back already. While I appreciate the acting (Kevin is incredible), and the world that was created, I see no end game in sight. Its 2014's John From Cincinnati.
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Aug 20, 2014 00:34
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Anyone catch Liv Tyler's smug little smile after she got slapped? That was kind of odd.
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Aug 20, 2014 04:35
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I thought when Jill asked Aimee "are YOU okay?" that was supposed to imply that Aimee had lost someone. Could just be an orphan or something though. If she DIDN'T gently caress Kevin then this show is playing some serious meta-mind games with the audience. Also during Kevin's freak out with the shirts they specifically showed off the wound on his hand to remind us and it's definitely a human bite. Still waiting on that explanation. Also does only black-out Kevin know about this Cairo place? He's obviously been there before during one of his episodes and I was thinking the story he told Dog Sniper (it was some place he ran away to to smoke or whatever) was probably bullshit.
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Kevyn posted:Not me. I'd jump on the beds and watch grown-up movies and set hilarious slapstick booby traps for the burglars breaking into my house. Appropriate username/post.
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Aug 20, 2014 12:27
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This is the perfect setting for the next Home Alone film. Cut to Jill, sitting in the kitchen, with flashback faces floating around her head. "I made my family and 2% of the population disappear." *cue saxophone Christmas music*
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Aug 20, 2014 12:54
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I just feel the need to throw this out there. My Monday night DVR double feature is The Leftovers and The Last Ship, and I enjoy them both equally.
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LmaoTheKid posted:Anyone catch Liv Tyler's smug little smile after she got slapped? That was kind of odd. It came right after the "NO VIOLENCE" note was shoved in her face, so she was pleased to see she could get that reaction out of, essentially, her boss. The whole episode was about exposing that no matter who you are, the person you portray yourself as and the person you actually are can be completely different.
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quote:Also during Kevin's freak out with the shirts they specifically showed off the wound on his hand to remind us and it's definitely a human bite. Still waiting on that explanation.
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Aug 20, 2014 19:23
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Oracle posted:Patti bit him during the abduction. He's had that bite for days or weeks before the abduction.
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Toshimo posted:He's had that bite for days or weeks before the abduction. Dog Dude mentioned that he had made a bet about getting one of the stray dogs and making the dog domesticated again. That's when he got the wound. A human wound. Aimee mentions dressing the wound and saying something to Kevin, which Kevin of course could not remember. Would Aimee dress a wound that she, herself, caused? Who else could it be, the dog dude?
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Shadow posted:Dog Dude mentioned that he had made a bet about getting one of the stray dogs and making the dog domesticated again. That's when he got the wound. A human wound. Aimee mentions dressing the wound and saying something to Kevin, which Kevin of course could not remember. Occam's Razor, Screenwriter's Edition: The dog tied up in the backyard was actually a werewolf.
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Aug 20, 2014 22:29
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I'd totally watch a TV show built around Dog Sniper.
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Aug 21, 2014 00:58
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:I'd totally watch a TV show built around Dog Sniper. He could be a former Special Ops badass sent to save the president from dogs because he's the only dude bad enough to do it
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Aug 21, 2014 01:27
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:I'd totally watch a TV show built around Dog Sniper.
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