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Even the one about dyslexia?
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Darthemed posted:Even the one about dyslexia? That one was dumb, but it didn't feel like.... hokey and campy like VERY SPECIAL EPISODEs normally do.
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Aug 21, 2014 21:10
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Your call.
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Aug 21, 2014 23:02
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There aren't a lot of straight action animated shows out right now. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and I guess ben 10 are some of the few. Everything else that could be considered action has a way heavier focus on comedy.
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Aug 21, 2014 23:02
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"Static Shock meets Shaquille o Neal."
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Aug 22, 2014 00:36
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Gaunab posted:There aren't a lot of straight action animated shows out right now. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and I guess ben 10 are some of the few. Everything else that could be considered action has a way heavier focus on comedy. Though, TMNT does have amazing humor in it to go along with the action. I'd aurgue that the current TMNT series is the perfect example of what a property about mutant turtle brothers who practice ninjitsu with their mutant rat sensai. It's funny, with awesome character designs, and kick rear end, well-choreographed fight scenes.
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Aug 22, 2014 01:05
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It's odd because S&P is more lax than ever. Like, Gravity Falls is on Disney Channel and they can get away with actually saying "death" and "die" and having monsters take hatchets to the gut, considering that Batman Beyond had to have the screen flash to hide the actual impact of punches and a decade ago anime infamously had to hide references to death behind things like "sent to the shadow realm" we're in a whole new ballpark.
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Aug 22, 2014 01:15
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...of SCIENCE! posted:It's odd because S&P is more lax than ever. Like, Gravity Falls is on Disney Channel and they can get away with actually saying "death" and "die" and having monsters take hatchets to the gut, considering that Batman Beyond had to have the screen flash to hide the actual impact of punches and a decade ago anime infamously had to hide references to death behind things like "sent to the shadow realm" we're in a whole new ballpark.  Back in my day we had "HFIL," and if you wanted to hear Heero Yuy say "I'll kill you" you had to catch the "Uncut" airing on Midnight RunNowadays Adventure Time can make pitch-black suicide jokes but it's delivered in a cheeky way and, hey, there's a TV-PG in the corner! No worries!
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Aug 22, 2014 03:34
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JethroMcB posted:Nowadays Adventure Time can make pitch-black suicide jokes but it's delivered in a cheeky way and, hey, there's a TV-PG in the corner! No worries! Truly, we live in a blessed age.
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Aug 22, 2014 11:51
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I think the best example is this clip from Gravity Falls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKNkbPEh9Mw It's amazing that made it in there. The censors were either asleep at the wheel or just weren't doing their jobs.
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Aug 22, 2014 16:24
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SlothfulCobra posted:I think the best example is this clip from Gravity Falls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKNkbPEh9Mw  Also the Korra finale also got away with a lot, though you could see where the censors stepped in.
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Aug 22, 2014 17:33
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SlothfulCobra posted:I think the best example is this clip from Gravity Falls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKNkbPEh9Mw   They distract the censors with even darker stuff.
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Aug 22, 2014 18:27
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Australian TV aired Madoka Magica nearly uncut on ABC3, a kids' channel, and even rated it TV-PG. I'm not an anime fan but that is NOT a kids' show.
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Aug 22, 2014 18:30
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ThermoPhysical posted:What podcast is this? Also Toon Talk Weekly is the podcast.
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Aug 22, 2014 19:45
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This is my favorite "how did this get past the censors" scene recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djBGau0imgE
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Aug 22, 2014 19:53
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achillesforever6 posted:Man that would have been perfect for a Michael Clarke Duncan voice cameo A notable bit of censoring in Korra was the coup plot where they had to completely talk around the murder of the Queen of the Earth Kingdom. Which was crazy because they actually showed everything but her dead body hitting the floor.
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Aug 22, 2014 20:59
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But, on the flip side, when I watch old Looney Tunes and episodes of Freakazoid, Earthworm Jim, Eek the Cat, Rocko's Modern Life, Animaniacs, and Pinky and the Brain, it does strike me that there are certain, more politically incorrect or satirical jokes that you'd be harder-pressed to get away with today on a kids' show. Or is it just me, and my cartoon tastes? I previously thought that cartoons were less violent and morbid now, but you guys have made a pretty compelling argument to the contrary! It may just be that the flavor of the violence and the slapstick has changed. I was rather surprised by the nipple joke in the manotaur episode of Gravity Falls. 
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Aug 22, 2014 21:36
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Looney Tunes were mostly geared toward adult audiences and aired before movies. I don't think there was a much of an "animation is for kids" stigma back then as there is today, and it seems like only recently has there really been a turnaround from that.
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Aug 22, 2014 21:59
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Corek posted:Australian TV aired Madoka Magica nearly uncut on ABC3, a kids' channel, and even rated it TV-PG. I'm not an anime fan but that is NOT a kids' show.
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Aug 22, 2014 22:39
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Tartarus Sauce posted:But, on the flip side, when I watch old Looney Tunes and episodes of Freakazoid, Earthworm Jim, Eek the Cat, Rocko's Modern Life, Animaniacs, and Pinky and the Brain, it does strike me that there are certain, more politically incorrect or satirical jokes that you'd be harder-pressed to get away with today on a kids' show. Or is it just me, and my cartoon tastes?  Children's cartoons have always gotten away with adult humor, I think people just don't realize it because they didn't get the jokes when they were kids.
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Aug 22, 2014 22:40
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Rocko isn't good example because in retrospect it appears they got a lot of jokes through because whoever was in charge of S&P on the show was asleep at the wheel. Mostly because in later seasons they had to redo some stuff.
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Aug 22, 2014 22:43
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muscles like this? posted:Rocko isn't good example because in retrospect it appears they got a lot of jokes through because whoever was in charge of S&P on the show was asleep at the wheel. And even the stuff in later seasons that got through later got excised from the master tapes ("We're playing Spank the Monkey," Rocko grabbing that bear's testicles, "Retorqued your Johnson Rods" being redubbed, etc.) It seems like at least a quarter of Looney Tunes shorts contain suicide gags. Animaniacs got a fingering joke in there - and not a subtle one, either! Pinky and the Brain had that entire episode where the plot was "Brain is sued for sexual harassment in the workplace." That kind of stuff has always been there in cartoons, it just seems a little more blatant now (so much vagina imagery in Adventure Time - see above) or particularly noteworthy given how prone organizations like the PTC are to inciting a moral panic (Typically about things that aren't meant for children, though. They'll encourage an FCC letter writing campaign about any given episode of American Dad while they let the Regular Shows and Gravity Falls of the world pass them by.)
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Aug 23, 2014 00:55
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Yeah cool and all but no one seems to be using the relaxed standards and practices in action shows. Most are oddly TVY7. I guess a few off color jokes is easier to deal with. An animated action show will probably take a lot flack next time something violent involving children happens.
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Aug 23, 2014 01:19
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Holy gently caress remember the lesbian biker gang in that episode of cow and chicken?
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Gaunab posted:Yeah cool and all but no one seems to be using the relaxed standards and practices in action shows. Most are oddly TVY7. I guess a few off color jokes is easier to deal with. An animated action show will probably take a lot flack next time something violent involving children happens. Shows get produced for a certain demographic, it's not some censorship board preventing children's shows for including graphic sex scenes and gore, but the people who make the show in the first place. Most action shows are designed to sell toys to 10 year old children, so of course they're not going to include adult content that would scare or weird out children. Meanwhile Animaniacs was made because Steven Spielberg felt like it and most shows like Rocko's Modern Life and Ren and Stimpy were similarly made pretty much on the initiative of their creators
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Plus the demographics have shifted, live-action shows like Arrow are making DC way more money than animated fare. And when every kid on the planet sees The Avengers in theaters it renders an animated series superfluous at best.
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...of SCIENCE! posted:Plus the demographics have shifted, live-action shows like Arrow are making DC way more money than animated fare. And when every kid on the planet sees The Avengers in theaters it renders an animated series superfluous at best. Have the demographics shifted or have they just figured out that TV dramas and movies with tie-ins are a goldmine? And in any case, Marvel movies and TV dramas aren't directed at children, so that market for selling toys still exists
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Cardboard Box A posted:It certainly isn't but it's not like there is anything objectionable in there that isn't existential or over the heads of little kids. I assume the dub doesn't have any cursing or anything. Someone gets eaten on screen. One of the characters has like half an episode of using real guns and missiles and stuff to shoot a witch (but that might not be censored much anymore). A main character kills several others before getting shot. A different main character is implied to murder two guys; there may have been blood, I can't remember. The witches really unsubtly make people kill themselves (those last two might go over kids' heads) That's not very much, though. It's still not aimed at little kids, dunno why they'd air it on a kids' channel.
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I think with the advent of the internet and with how far cartoons of the last 20 years have pushed the line, American S&P has lowered it guard to everything but direct violent death and actual swearing. I'm not sure if they think kids are more desensitized to some adult situations as there isn't much you can protect a kid from that one bad Google search won't reveal, but as long as its branded as a "comedy", there's less incentive for people to take a show as seriously as your unashamed action programs. Its how Rocco's Modern Life and Ren and Stimpy were under the radar initially while the aforementioned anime or super hero shows needed cutesy names for hell and calling blood PLASMA or have all the cops carry toy laser guns. Its a shame that there aren't more shows like the latest Ninja Turtles, but I'm glad we have at least that.
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This conversation reminds me of one of my favorite Justice League Unlimited lines from "Epilogue": "Bruce's DNA was easy enough to obtain. He left it all over town--not remotely what I meant." JLU needs to be a thing again. There will never be a superhero cartoon as good.
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Aug 23, 2014 08:02
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Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes was pretty good. Until the second season.
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Aug 23, 2014 12:26
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Bass Bottles posted:
Rocko is that you
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Aug 23, 2014 15:32
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I was always partial to the one where Mrs Bighead starts calling Rocko over to do "chores" because Mr Bighead is leaving her unsatisfied in the bedroom. ~~*~~Zip me up Rockoooooooo~~*~~
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Aug 23, 2014 16:48
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Oh baby. Oh baby. Oh baby.
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Aug 23, 2014 17:34
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Are we forgetting when Heffer over eats, dies, and goes to 'heck' where hell was just crossed out. Or after the kids are born and the last one that walks out looks like Heffer.
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Aug 23, 2014 19:32
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Rocko's dog Spunky had sex with a mop. It wasn't subtle.
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This just in: Batman Beyond's "Splicers" is still a bad episode. HEY KIDS! When your parents tell you that something is weird, uncouth, and unnatural, THEY'RE RIGHT! Just say "no" to rock n' roll, punk rock, hanging out with people you met on the Interwebs, racial integration, and gay marriage! Your elders know best! HEY KIDS! If your immediate gut reaction to someone or something is that they're gross, weird, and probably evil because they're different or aesthetically unattractive, you're RIGHT! All of your immediate negative gut reactions are ALWAYS right, and you NEVER have to rethink or revisit them! Just like your reactions to gay people and foreigners! Go kick the poo poo out of that goth kid for us, skipper! HEY KIDS! If something contradicts nature as we understand it, it's EVIL! So be smart, and just say "no" to computers, nanotechnology, stem cell research, cancer treatments, gene therapy, and the Large Hadron Collider. Remember, kids: If God had intended for us to have it, He would've given it to us already! This sucker definitely feels like a Very Special Episode. All of the "good" and "smart" characters have a visceral and automatic negative reaction to splicing, and by jove, they turn out to be totally and completely correct! The other anti-drug-esque episodes are fine for the most part, but this feels like something else entirely. In addition to feeling very anti-science at its core--because I see how this kind of breakthrough could conceivably save and improve lives in reality--the episode comes across more like a failed and hysterical metaphor for piercings or tattoos than doing drugs. Oh, and Spunky totally hosed that mop, and it was absolutely not subtle. Tartarus Sauce fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Aug 24, 2014 |
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Aug 24, 2014 02:38
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My takeaway from that episode was "yes I can get a tattoo when I'm older".
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Aug 24, 2014 02:41
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I thought the message was don't play around when it comes to altering your DNA. Or don't treat scientific break throughs like a fad.
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I kinda liked that the head of the Chimera corporation literally turned into a Chimera. I thought that was a cool idea.
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