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MononcQc posted:But people in a web browser can and will retry. Enough that measures had to be taken in many places to protect against things like double-posting, re-submitting forms that were too old, etc. well, maybe they'll retry. you hope they will. since netflix controls the client 100%, they have the ability to compel retries without user intervention. MononcQc posted:Then again, I'd like to read the netflix stuff and what they found was particularly hard. i was thinking of netflix hystrix
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Aug 21, 2014 15:22
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Captain Foo posted:Error rate of Linux on the desktop is 100%
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Aug 21, 2014 18:55
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http://blog.mecheye.net/2014/08/hanging-up-the-hat/
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Aug 21, 2014 19:11
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yay wayland! ... yayland. i have a question: does gnome-shell clear and re-render an entire opengl frame at 60fps no matter what? or does it only render a frame if something changed? does it redraw the entire screen or just the damaged area? apparently android et al are pushing to do more compositing using just overlay engines or w/e because running the 3D engine on a GPU sucks quite a bit of battery versus using the dedicated 2D hardware.
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Aug 21, 2014 19:46
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We try really hard to not redraw when nothing changes, and we also try really hard to draw only the portions of the screen that need updating (using glScissor). Unfortunately, these are pushed into weird layers of the stack and sometimes the optimizations break. We can't use hardware overlays (besides cursors) yet, but we're working on making it so we can. I was talking about it at lunch, actually, because I'm working on the code that manages the DND surface. That's the last Wayland feature we need to implement in mutter.
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Aug 21, 2014 19:52
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:that would be pram. ops are cool but a lot of startups really don't want to have to actually hire an ops guy so they hope that some magical tool will just solve it for them (lol heroku)
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Aug 23, 2014 21:14
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http://wingolog.org/ This guy's optimisation work is cool and fun to read about, but it's also a tragic waste of time because nobody uses Guile for anything Stallman can't get over the fact that LISP is dead
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Aug 25, 2014 13:10
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That's what Andy does in his spare time for fun. His day job is writing JavaScript VM patches for SpiderMonkey, V8 and JSC. And he's really good at it, too.
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Aug 25, 2014 13:12
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Mr Dog posted:http://wingolog.org/ lisp isn't dead. guile just never lived. the only thing that has ever used it, afaik, is The Gimp. almost certainly the largest set of guile code in the world the problem was that guile was neither hot nor cold, but lukewarm, and spit out by the community. it wasn't even close to being common lisp, it wasn't compatible with scheme, and emacs was never going to be ported to it.
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Aug 25, 2014 14:40
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Suspicious Dish posted:That's what Andy does in his spare time for fun. His day job is writing JavaScript VM patches for SpiderMonkey, V8 and JSC. And he's really good at it, too. hacking on guile is probably a lot less frustrating after all, scheme, the language, came out of compiler research.
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Aug 25, 2014 14:42
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ShadowHawk posted:ops are cool but a lot of startups really don't want to have to actually hire an ops guy so they hope that some magical tool will just solve it for them (lol heroku) for the 99% case, it does
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Aug 25, 2014 14:51
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Cocoa Crispies posted:for the 99% case, it does for the other 1% of startups that have functioning businesses, lol
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Aug 25, 2014 15:01
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:for the other 1% of startups that have functioning businesses, lol it's functioning businesses that have wisely avoided ops people that want to ruin everything with linux and java
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Aug 25, 2014 15:10
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Cocoa Crispies posted:businesses Cocoa Crispies posted:avoided lmfao
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Aug 25, 2014 15:15
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a startup doesn't become a business until they realize they need java/c#
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Aug 25, 2014 15:17
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so if i just startup using c# and/or java am i immediately a business
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Aug 25, 2014 15:43
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yes because you probably also have a business plan and growth strategy since you're a mature and responsible adult who recognises Java's emphasis on actually getting useful tasks accomplished over hipster snowflake rapid-masturbation.
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Aug 25, 2014 15:46
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Cocoa Crispies posted:for the 99% case, it does but I think we've already made that joke
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Aug 25, 2014 19:52
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ShadowHawk posted:right and this 99% of the time they fail before the hit sufficient scale the joke here is ops people refusing to understand the death of ops and the rise of devops
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Aug 25, 2014 20:12
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Cocoa Crispies posted:the joke here is ops people refusing to understand the death of ops and the rise of devops
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Aug 25, 2014 20:27
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I'm really liking all the Desktop Linux discussion in this thread.
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Aug 25, 2014 20:34
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I installed Debian on an older laptop yesterday. The Debian installer is pretty bad.
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Aug 25, 2014 20:38
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Suspicious Dish posted:I'm really liking all the Desktop Linux discussion in this thread. everyone agrees that linux is not ready for the desktop: shaggar, ops stymie, flophousehawk, etc.
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Aug 25, 2014 20:40
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I also agree that Linux is not ready for the Desktop. Add me to that list, please.
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Aug 25, 2014 20:42
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Personally i think the real problem is that the desktop is not ready for linux.
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Aug 25, 2014 20:46
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ShadowHawk posted:Err, I don't disagree. I'm actually referring to devops here. Heroku enthusiasts magically believe devops will be handled as well. Or that their cloud provider will do their absolute best to ensure they minimize their server usage and pay their cloud provider the smallest possible amount of money. That happens, fwiw. There are cases where ticket escalations go to the point where you have to dig into the user's app (with their permission) to figure out why something is going weird. I know I had a case recently when I ended up diagnosing a cloudflare issue on behalf of a customer due to messed up redirections 0.01% of the time. Dedicated support people tend up helping customers a lot on simpler issues, it's just not always the fastest thing in the world v  vIt's of course not a systematic thing because there's just so many apps you can't go down and tune everyone's stuff for them, but yeah.
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Aug 25, 2014 22:52
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http://www.themukt.com/2014/08/24/linus-torvalds-hero-says-13-years-old-zachary-dupont/
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Aug 25, 2014 23:14
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i also agree that linux is not ready for the desktop. neither are windows or os x. really nothing is ready for the desktop. lets go back to mainframes.
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Aug 25, 2014 23:19
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IPvSH6T posted:i also agree that linux is not ready for the desktop. neither are windows or os x. unironically
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Aug 25, 2014 23:21
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IPvSH6T posted:i also agree that linux is not ready for the desktop. neither are windows or os x. ok but can we call it "the cloud"?
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Aug 26, 2014 06:14
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Soricidus posted:CLOSED WONTFIX WORKSFORME closed: The fix is <50 lines of terminal commands following>
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Aug 26, 2014 06:33
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interactive terminals were deprecated in the last release and have now been removed. please feed your 50 lines of commands into systemd-shelld.
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Aug 29, 2014 11:59
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i really like the guy who popped up to inappapropriately ask about mouse jerkiness in your farewell post
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Aug 29, 2014 14:36
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Soricidus posted:interactive terminals were deprecated in the last release and have now been removed. please feed your 50 lines of commands into systemd-shelld. munch munch i enjoy eating poo poo because that is The Unix Way
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Aug 29, 2014 14:56
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do modern distros still call the admin group wheel group?
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Aug 30, 2014 00:50
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:do modern distros still call the admin group wheel group? yeah.
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Aug 30, 2014 00:58
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where did the group name wheel come from anyways, i know the names of the neckbeard prophets and a lot of eunuchs history but not that also pls do not put a linux on the desktop
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Aug 30, 2014 01:27
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BobHoward posted:where did the group name wheel come from anyways, i know the names of the neckbeard prophets and a lot of eunuchs history but not that The term is derived from the slang phrase big wheel, referring to a person with great power or influence.[1]
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prefect posted:The term is derived from the slang phrase big wheel, referring to a person with great power or influence.[1] nice wikipedia quote couldn't even source it from the jargon file wheel: n. [from slang ‘big wheel’ for a powerful person] A person who has an active wheel bit. “We need to find a wheel to unwedge the hung tape drives.” (See wedged, sense 1.) The traditional name of security group zero in BSD (to which the major system-internal users like root belong) is ‘wheel’. Some vendors have expanded on this usage, modifying Unix so that only members of group ‘wheel’ can go root.
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