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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > TV IV > TV IV Couch Chat: Merry New Year's Eve, Fuck You England

Irish Joe: Jul 23, 2007; by Lowtax

Rarity posted:

What happened?

The chick who made Depression Quest cheated on her boyfriend with five guys, so instead of being a decent human being and expressing some regret about her actions, she pulled a Anita Sarkeesian and is pretending like she's the victim of some grand misogynist conspiracy. Now the internet is polarized with the SJWs blindly defending her on one side and reasonable, intelligent people not giving a poo poo on the other.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 11:28

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# ? Apr 20, 2024 01:37

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Rarity posted:

What happened?

Gamers are terrible.

Indie game developer cheats on her boyfriend with various people in the game industry, mainly journalists (Setting aside 'Game Journalist' is an oxymoron) who have written some favourable pieces about her. This boyfriend has aired their dirty laundry in public and gamers have jumped on it to prove that Game Journalism is dead (really) and that women are destroying everything.

They do so under the guise of ethics but really just want the chance to call a woman a slut and highfive eachother.

The problem is that there has been a legitimate point to be made somewhere but it's drowned out by the sound of slutshaming. No one comes out of it all looking that great. And any genuine criticism or complaint (Including that against the Feminist Frequency series of videos) is now labelled as misogyny.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 11:37

Arist: Feb 13, 2012; _{who, me?}

Also gamers are victimized as gently caress and are wholly convinced there's a huge loving conspiracy against them, the straight white males who enjoy playing Call of Duty.

e: King of the Nerds rules though, let's get some more of that

# ? Aug 26, 2014 13:02

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

MrAristocrates posted:

Also gamers are victimized as gently caress and are wholly convinced there's a huge loving conspiracy against them, the straight white males who enjoy playing Call of Duty.

e: King of the Nerds rules though, let's get some more of that

Honestly, the comments on porn sites are more respectful to women than the comments that most gamers make towards Zoe Quinn or Feminist Frequency.

Watched Dr Who. Ehhhh. Capaldi is great and helps ground some stuff, but too much of it is Moffat turning things up to 11 hammering home a gay relationship for no real reason.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 13:21

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

Indies aren't real games anyway so it doesn't matter.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 13:51

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

# ? Aug 26, 2014 15:44

Sober: Nov 19, 2011; First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.

Irish Joe posted:

The chick who made Depression Quest cheated on her boyfriend with five guys, so instead of being a decent human being and expressing some regret about her actions, she pulled a Anita Sarkeesian and is pretending like she's the victim of some grand misogynist conspiracy. Now the internet is polarized with the SJWs blindly defending her on one side and reasonable, intelligent people not giving a poo poo on the other.

DrVenkman posted:

Gamers are terrible.

Indie game developer cheats on her boyfriend with various people in the game industry, mainly journalists (Setting aside 'Game Journalist' is an oxymoron) who have written some favourable pieces about her. This boyfriend has aired their dirty laundry in public and gamers have jumped on it to prove that Game Journalism is dead (really) and that women are destroying everything.

They do so under the guise of ethics but really just want the chance to call a woman a slut and highfive eachother.

The problem is that there has been a legitimate point to be made somewhere but it's drowned out by the sound of slutshaming. No one comes out of it all looking that great. And any genuine criticism or complaint (Including that against the Feminist Frequency series of videos) is now labelled as misogyny.

That is actually wrong, as there was no actual evidence the one journalist who she slept with ever wrote anything favourable about DQ. It was only something in passing in an article that just barely mentioned her game in the list of others. Of course, lovely woman-hating gamers all leapt on it and under the guise of "ethics" decided to slut shame her instead. Also a lot of doxxing (publishing of private information) followed and anyone who tried to defend her in one way or another was basically threatened with the same thing. This happened to Phil Fish as well, his own private information and corporate information got doxxed.

The entire brouhaha basically spawned out of a spurned lover and though it's basically a matter between two adults (they are both probably lovely people) and not really any of our business. It doesn't matter how lovely of a private person you are, because you don't deserve a legion of smelly, angry, misogynistic nerds harassing you or your family endlessly. Especially not over a private matter between two adults, albeit lovely adults that you have no personal connection to.

Oh, and of course since there was no legitimate claim to journalistic corruption, no one reported on it although everyone tried their best to stop people from publishing people's private information, which made dumb MRA gamers even angrier because they assumed Zoe Quinn did in fact, sleep with basically all editors of gaming websites, and moderators on all major video game forums, to stop the spread of it all, which is literally the dumbest poo poo ever.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:07

Arist: Feb 13, 2012; _{who, me?}

I've seen posts trying to contact HBO to get Last Week Tonight to talk on the subject. It's loving hilarious.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:35

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Goddamn it I hate gamers.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:36

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Sober posted:

That is actually wrong, as there was no actual evidence the one journalist who she slept with ever wrote anything favourable about DQ. It was only something in passing in an article that just barely mentioned her game in the list of others. Of course, lovely woman-hating gamers all leapt on it and under the guise of "ethics" decided to slut shame her instead. Also a lot of doxxing (publishing of private information) followed and anyone who tried to defend her in one way or another was basically threatened with the same thing. This happened to Phil Fish as well, his own private information and corporate information got doxxed.

The entire brouhaha basically spawned out of a spurned lover and though it's basically a matter between two adults (they are both probably lovely people) and not really any of our business. It doesn't matter how lovely of a private person you are, because you don't deserve a legion of smelly, angry, misogynistic nerds harassing you or your family endlessly. Especially not over a private matter between two adults, albeit lovely adults that you have no personal connection to.

Oh, and of course since there was no legitimate claim to journalistic corruption, no one reported on it although everyone tried their best to stop people from publishing people's private information, which made dumb MRA gamers even angrier because they assumed Zoe Quinn did in fact, sleep with basically all editors of gaming websites, and moderators on all major video game forums, to stop the spread of it all, which is literally the dumbest poo poo ever.

Which is fair enough. All I've seen are images of 'proof' that people wrote favourably about her and that her and Phil Fish were faked hacked (Which I can believe actually). I got into an argument on Reddit (I know I know) with someone who honestly believed that the games industry as a whole was being ruined 'from the inside' by women. It's strange how gamers argue that games are an artform, but the moment it gets any sort of feminist reading (Like EVERY OTHER ARTFORM) they suddenly balk that women spoil everything.

While I do think Feminist Frequency should be taken to task for 1) The time they spend doing 'research' and 2) The utter simplicity of their arguments, it would be nice if someone who wasn't literally a neckbeard was doing it (Seriously, look at the 'response' videos on Youtube). I considered doing a sort of rebuttal (In written form, I'm in no way suited for video) but I've balked at the idea because I'll be branded with a label.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:37

Sober: Nov 19, 2011; First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.

MrAristocrates posted:

I've seen posts trying to contact HBO to get Last Week Tonight to talk on the subject. It's loving hilarious.

It would be hilarious because John Oliver would loving murder the fedora MRA gamer crowd in a swift manner.

But thank god there are actually more important things than that like Ferguson or ISIS or Gaza than to worry about than a bunch of stupid empathy-deficient nerds.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:38

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

As an average person who doesn't care about whatever the gently caress social justice warrioring and MRAing is, I would say cheating with 5 guys qualifies as slutty and one should probably feel shame for it.

Of course I have only heard the Cliff Notes version of the story because I don't care, so that might not be the reality of the situation.

That said I have seen the internet before so I don't doubt the reaction is insane regardless and totally out of proportion because a woman did it.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:39

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

DrVenkman posted:

Which is fair enough. All I've seen are images of 'proof' that people wrote favourably about her and that her and Phil Fish were faked hacked (Which I can believe actually). I got into an argument on Reddit (I know I know) with someone who honestly believed that the games industry as a whole was being ruined 'from the inside' by women. It's strange how gamers argue that games are an artform, but the moment it gets any sort of feminist reading (Like EVERY OTHER ARTFORM) they suddenly balk that women spoil everything.

While I do think Feminist Frequency should be taken to task for 1) The time they spend doing 'research' and 2) The utter simplicity of their arguments, it would be nice if someone who wasn't literally a neckbeard was doing it (Seriously, look at the 'response' videos on Youtube). I considered doing a sort of rebuttal (In written form, I'm in no way suited for video) but I've balked at the idea because I'll be branded with a label.

Are you a gamer. Do you game bro.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:39

Sober: Nov 19, 2011; First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.

DrVenkman posted:

Which is fair enough. All I've seen are images of 'proof' that people wrote favourably about her and that her and Phil Fish were faked hacked (Which I can believe actually). I got into an argument on Reddit (I know I know) with someone who honestly believed that the games industry as a whole was being ruined 'from the inside' by women. It's strange how gamers argue that games are an artform, but the moment it gets any sort of feminist reading (Like EVERY OTHER ARTFORM) they suddenly balk that women spoil everything.

The problem is that why would someone put out their bank account info or SSNs just to prove a point? And not only about themselves, mind you, but of his co-workers and private documents about his company, Polytron? I cannot understand how people think Phil Fish is creating a false flag by leaking his own information.

DrVenkman posted:

While I do think Feminist Frequency should be taken to task for 1) The time they spend doing 'research' and 2) The utter simplicity of their arguments, it would be nice if someone who wasn't literally a neckbeard was doing it (Seriously, look at the 'response' videos on Youtube). I considered doing a sort of rebuttal (In written form, I'm in no way suited for video) but I've balked at the idea because I'll be branded with a label.

It's gotten better in the later episodes (I have yesterday's one queued up) but yes, one of my criticisms is that it is fairly undergrad for the material. I wrote an undergrad paper about female representation in video games back in like 08, 09, when no one cared as much either.

But I will agree it's got the dialogue going at least. I mean, as much as you can criticize how surface level and undergrad paper Tropes vs. Women in Video Games feels like (feminism 101 guys?), the fact it riled up so gently caress vile hatred about just addressing the topic already says a metric fuckton about how lovely gamers can be.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:44

Arist: Feb 13, 2012; _{who, me?}

Sober posted:

The problem is that why would someone put out their bank account info or SSNs just to prove a point? And not only about themselves, mind you, but of his co-workers and private documents about his company, Polytron? I cannot understand how people think Phil Fish is creating a false flag by leaking his own information.

The talking point is just that he must have faked it because hacking it would be hard to do, like that's ever stopped anyone.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:46

hcreight: Mar 19, 2007; My name is Oliver Queen...

Pretty much everyone involved in the Zoe Quinn nonsense, on both sides, is terrible. Can we not infect this thread with it?

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:48

NieR Occomata: Jan 18, 2009; Glory to Mankind.

zoux posted:

Are you a gamer. Do you game bro.

Do you wanna bro down, play some GameCube brah

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:53

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Let's all define ourselves by the media we consume.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:54

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

I'm a lovely summer reality/game show.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:55

NieR Occomata: Jan 18, 2009; Glory to Mankind.

I'm a real Gleek, ah heh heh heh, glee is so edgy

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:56

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Browncoat Trekkie Whotard here, bigger on the inside natch

# ? Aug 26, 2014 17:57

NieR Occomata: Jan 18, 2009; Glory to Mankind.

zoux posted:

Browncoat Trekkie Whotard here, bigger on the inside natch

Heh, cool thanks, whedon is my master too

# ? Aug 26, 2014 18:03

Arist: Feb 13, 2012; _{who, me?}

Any other Superwholockians here?

Wow, I want to punch myself in the face just for writing that.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 18:06

NieR Occomata: Jan 18, 2009; Glory to Mankind.

Guys I'm kind of a big deal on tumblr

# ? Aug 26, 2014 18:09

thrawn527: Mar 27, 2004; Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Irish Joe posted:

she pulled a Anita Sarkeesian and is pretending like she's the victim

I don't know anything about this new situation you're talking about, but this part here...man, you are just the worst.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 18:30

Mu Zeta: Oct 17, 2002; Me crush ass to dust

Big Ballers assemble

# ? Aug 26, 2014 18:33

raditts: Feb 21, 2001; The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.

DrVenkman posted:

Watched Dr Who. Ehhhh. Capaldi is great and helps ground some stuff, but too much of it is Moffat turning things up to 11 hammering home a gay relationship for no real reason.

Maybe he just wanted to remind everyone what it was like back when RTD had the reins.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 19:25

hollylolly: Jun 5, 2009; Do you like superheroes? Check out my CYOA Mutants: Uprising

How about weird historical fiction? Try Vampires of the Caribbean

Did anyone else vote in HitFix's Uncanceled Showdown? It's down to Almost Human and Jericho as the finalists. Unfortunately, I don't think winning means they get another season.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 19:43

GreenNight: Feb 19, 2006; Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

So who's been praying for Full House to come back? Thanks Girl Meets World:

http://www.avclub.com/article/full-house-could-be-coming-back-television-208556

# ? Aug 26, 2014 19:58

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Huh? Dave Coulier, John Stamos, Bob Saget, Candace Cameron, Lori Loughlin and Jody Sweetin are all available?? Man that's lucky.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 19:59

Rageaholic: May 31, 2005; Old Town Road to EGOT

The AV Club posted:

Notably absent from the discussion are Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, who recently declared that they�d officially stopped the acting they�d ostensibly started, preferring to concentrate on manufacturing cloyingness in fragrance form. It�s presumed that, if a Full House revival does get made, it will revolve around how, this time, it�s the death of Michelle that will require all these adults to live together for some reason.

Ahahahahaha

# ? Aug 26, 2014 20:02

Fast Luck: Feb 2, 1988

GreenNight posted:

So who's been praying for Full House to come back? Thanks Girl Meets World:

http://www.avclub.com/article/full-house-could-be-coming-back-television-208556

Holy poo poo, there's more diehard Jericho fans than there are Firefly??? I watched Jericho when it first aired, it had some solid world-building type stuff but the execution was never even that great. This is a show that already got uncanceled once and people are voting it #1 to bring back again?? I don't know what Almost Human is but I guess it's not that surprising that a show about an android and a post-apocalypse show are beating Freaks and Geeks and Pushing Daisies in an Internet contest.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 20:05

hcreight: Mar 19, 2007; My name is Oliver Queen...

Donald Glover gets his wish! Sort of.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 20:12

cool kids inc.: May 27, 2005; I swallowed a bug

MrAristocrates posted:

Any other Superwholockians here?

Wow, I want to punch myself in the face just for writing that.

I watch and enjoy all of those shows, and I want to punch you in the face for writing that.

_{_{where do I sign up for that crossover ohgodImsoashamed}}

# ? Aug 26, 2014 20:22

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Ahahahahaha

To be perfectly honest with you I would totally watch that, at least for an episode. Doubly so if they manage to get the Beach Boys on the show again (this time WITH Brian Wilson, one would hope).

Yeah, the Beach Boys were on Full House a few times. Around the loving "Bermuda, bahama, ooo I wanna take ya" song that Wilson didn't even help on.

Reminder, the Beach Boys used to be this awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS6m0fN-Ow0

# ? Aug 26, 2014 20:26

X-O: Apr 28, 2002; Long Live The King!

Fast Luck posted:

Holy poo poo, there's more diehard Jericho fans than there are Firefly??? I watched Jericho when it first aired, it had some solid world-building type stuff but the execution was never even that great. This is a show that already got uncanceled once and people are voting it #1 to bring back again?? I don't know what Almost Human is but I guess it's not that surprising that a show about an android and a post-apocalypse show are beating Freaks and Geeks and Pushing Daisies in an Internet contest.

Jericho was unquestionably a better show than Firefly. In my opinion.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 20:27

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

Firefly is the perfect example of something with good episodes that was nevertheless not a great show.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 20:34

hollylolly: Jun 5, 2009; Do you like superheroes? Check out my CYOA Mutants: Uprising

How about weird historical fiction? Try Vampires of the Caribbean

Jericho fans generated something like 20 tons of nuts and got the show uncanceled once already. I think it's fair to say they had/have a dedicated fan base. Do you think if the show was on today that the ratings it was getting would be enough to keep it on the air?

# ? Aug 26, 2014 20:47

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Deadpool posted:

Jericho was unquestionably a better show than Firefly. In my opinion.

I think this is about right. I mean Jericho had longer, but Firefly is made up of some really good moments and performances and that's it. No doubt that if Whedon got longer with it then it would've found it's groove, but it can't be judged on what might have been. I don't think it deserved to be cancelled, but there are so many shows I'd bring back before that one.

hollylolly posted:

Jericho fans generated something like 20 tons of nuts and got the show uncanceled once already. I think it's fair to say they had/have a dedicated fan base. Do you think if the show was on today that the ratings it was getting would be enough to keep it on the air?

I think there's a pretty good chance it wouldn't have been cancelled the first time around. I don't think it would've lasted all that long, but the show had solid ratings. I think they would've got about 3 seasons out of it and then there would be stories about getting a Netflix deal.

# ? Aug 26, 2014 20:50

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# ? Apr 20, 2024 01:37

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

Moments and performances, minor things on a television show I guess?

# ? Aug 26, 2014 20:56

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