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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Whoa, wait, what? Ford's working on getting a 2016 FoRS greenlit with a 2.3L EcoBoost, all-new AWD, and a contraption to control torque steer? uhh also the AWD eliminates the need for the torque steer control devices.
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Aug 27, 2014 13:07
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:uhh also the AWD eliminates the need for the torque steer control devices. I have no idea what the RevoKnuckle actually does, I just love fancy-pants gimmicks with amalgam names and making baseless speculation! Might be cool if it was a differential system.
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Aug 27, 2014 15:12
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:uhh also the AWD eliminates the need for the torque steer control devices. Depends on the system, but it's likely still needed on your typical transverse engine types. I'm sad they aren't using the 5 cylinder, as it sounds so good!
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Aug 27, 2014 17:25
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mafoose posted:Depends on the system, but it's likely still needed on your typical transverse engine types. That's a Volvo engine, and Ford divorced Volvo a while back. Such a shame, it's an awesome engine, in the Mondeo as well.
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Aug 27, 2014 17:54
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bobfather posted:You can do what you want in life but I guess you can say the same for those terrible Evos and STIs. 40k for a Lancer and Impreza? Are you nuts?
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Aug 27, 2014 20:09
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BoostCreep posted:I guess you can say the same for those terrible Evos and STIs. 40k for a Lancer and Impreza? Are you nuts? I still fully intend on spending 40k on a Golf.
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Aug 27, 2014 21:11
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Car prices are up up up, 40K isn't what it used to be anymore.
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Aug 27, 2014 21:47
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So, finally had a problem with my Veloster Turbo. One of the speakers apparently blew out yesterday for no apparent reason. Its not like I blast drum and bass at maximum volume all day or anything. Dealership is going to replace it tomorrow, hopefully its pain free.
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Aug 27, 2014 21:54
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veedubfreak posted:I still fully intend on spending 40k on a Golf. At least the inside of that Golf feels like 40k. Gunktacular posted:So, finally had a problem with my Veloster Turbo. One of the speakers apparently blew out yesterday for no apparent reason. Its not like I blast drum and bass at maximum volume all day or anything. How many miles do you have on it?
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Aug 27, 2014 22:09
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KakerMix posted:How many miles do you have on it? About 6500, I've had it for about 6 months now.
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Aug 27, 2014 22:16
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BoostCreep posted:I guess you can say the same for those terrible Evos and STIs. 40k for a Lancer and Impreza? Are you nuts? This is a really good point. I mean, an entry level Lancer was a loving pile of poo poo. At least the base Focus is a pretty great car.
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Aug 28, 2014 02:02
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I guess it will be too much to ask for a 2 door if we do get it.
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Aug 28, 2014 02:04
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Gunktacular posted:So, finally had a problem with my Veloster Turbo. One of the speakers apparently blew out yesterday for no apparent reason. Its not like I blast drum and bass at maximum volume all day or anything. The speakers are poo poo. I got them to replace 3 of mine, then the 4th one did it and haven't bothered. Now there's a "fix" out for the speakers and its gluing them back together since they come loose easily. Speakers and the wonkiness with the head unit have been my only issues.
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Aug 28, 2014 02:08
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skipdogg posted:Car prices are up up up, 40K isn't what it used to be anymore. While this is true (or more accurately, the dollar is down down down) it is still too much money for a Ford hatchback. I'm looking for an A3 replacement and if it's more like $35k I might be interested, but the 'extremely limited quantities' line makes it sound like I wouldn't want to get within 100 feet of the dealer markup nonsense around it.
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Aug 28, 2014 03:20
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bobfather posted:You can do what you want in life but That's like saying don't pay $35k for an Impreza. edit: ughh Friar Zucchini fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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Aug 28, 2014 03:28
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I like how most of the hot hatches don't get optioned up like crazy like anything from BMW, Audi or Infiniti. Trying to build anything on their website is agonizing when you end up $8k away from the base price for really nothing too extreme, options wise. It must be a luxury brand thing. Still I'd love a 1 series hatchback, come on BMW, coupes and poo poo are lame.
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Aug 28, 2014 05:15
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Bovril Delight posted:I guess it will be too much to ask for a 2 door if we do get it. I hope so too.
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Aug 28, 2014 05:52
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priznat posted:I like how most of the hot hatches don't get optioned up like crazy like anything from BMW, Audi or Infiniti. Trying to build anything on their website is agonizing when you end up $8k away from the base price for really nothing too extreme, options wise. It must be a luxury brand thing. In Canada the GTI vs A3, at least for the mk5, is weird. They're essentially the same car but the GTI came decked out with only a few options (leather, xenons) while on the A3 almost everything was an option. It was possible to option out a stripper Audi A3 with cloth seats, no LCD on the gauges, standard Golf suspension, and the basic CD player.
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Aug 28, 2014 10:18
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I drove a 2015 GTI while I was in Colorado last week and I really liked it. Even though it was FWD, everything just felt right about it. The seating position, the actual seats, the shifter, etc. Now that Im back home in Florida Im thinking of going and driving another one just to see if I still feel as good about it. It will also be nice to drive one at sea level. Where I'm stuck is I really think I want the Performance Package but from what Im hearing it wont be available until January 2015? Has anyone heard anything like that? I figured it could just be dealerships trying to persuade me out of wanting that since they have ones on the lot that dont have that option. And then the other problem is do I want to wait a bit(who knows how long this means?) and get a Golf R instead? Just with the price of the Autobahn GTI I assume the R is going to be at least $35,000. I wonder what options will look like on it?
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Aug 28, 2014 15:42
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Franco Caution posted:
The R is always 3k+ more than the top trim GTI but the rhetoric was always comparing the price of the base GTI with the R. Last gen the options were 2 or 4 door and the 'base' package and the sunroof/super stereo system. This time we only get the 4 door version but we get the choice of DSG or manual. Dunno about the other options but the reason (or so I heard) we didn't get more options on the last R is because they were still made in Germany vs. Mexico. I've also heard that the 2015 Rs bound for North America are still produced in Germany so maybe it's the same this gen.
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Aug 28, 2014 16:04
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Looking at stickers, is the choice for DSG or stick really just up to the buyer? If so this is probably the first car Ive ever looked at where one or the other option didnt cost more/less money. Also, how is the sun screen thing on the GTI? I really could care less for a sunroof but if I end up with an autobahn its going to have that included. I ask because the one I saw at the dealership had this flimsy screen with pinholes in it rather than a proper fully sealed cover you could open or close to block out the sunroof. Does that actually block out light? I really hope so.
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Aug 28, 2014 16:12
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Bovril Delight posted:I guess it will be too much to ask for a 2 door if we do get it. See I'm on the opposite end. I've had this 2 door TDI for 3 years now and I'm tired of the giant doors. I'm ready to go back to the lower insurance cost of 4 doors and a normal length door. But I'm still screwed because I want the stick.
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Aug 28, 2014 16:20
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Franco Caution posted:And then the other problem is do I want to wait a bit(who knows how long this means?) and get a Golf R instead? I've had a G7R DSG since April this year, drove my mate's G7 GTI a few times, and the difference between the two is substantial in terms of how they feel to drive. The R simply feels a lot more aggressive all round, and comparing the two is like night and day in terms of sheer performance. This is a picture of it when I brought it home, but I can try and take some better ones over the weekend.  Since then I've done a full exhaust & intake, and propably will add a PnP to it as well in the next few weeks, as I am unconvinced about APR / Revo remaps which have some warranty implications for me here in South Africa In terms of numbers, stock I ran a 13.1 best on 1/4 mile, and currently sitting at 12.7, with the guys already running software hitting 12.0 flat, all at just under 6000 feet altitude. Current power is at 235Kw/wheels, and I expect to hit 270Kw+ with PnP. This is all on 95 Octane pump fuel. Anyway, it's my daily run-around, so mods will end there. Very happy with it, to me worth every penny over a GTI, and a big improvement in especially the Haldex system over the G6R In terms of negatives over the G6 series, I wasn't able to get the Dynaudio system as an option, and the basic one is a little underpowered, although it copied over the touchscreen system at least. The seats are also missing the electric lumbar support, I have no idea why. BlueBull fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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Aug 28, 2014 16:20
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Franco Caution posted:
I have a Sportwagen with the pano roof, it uses the same type of screen. It's noticeable on how much it blocks out, but I've read other people that tint the sunroof to block the uv rays. Seems to be up to the individual on if it's effective enough.
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Aug 28, 2014 16:39
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veedubfreak posted:See I'm on the opposite end. I've had this 2 door TDI for 3 years now and I'm tired of the giant doors. I'm ready to go back to the lower insurance cost of 4 doors and a normal length door. But I'm still screwed because I want the stick. pretty sure they dont bother computing the price of insurance off the number of doors anymore--i'm sure it's far more complicated than that. For instance, state farm quoted me higher insurance rates for e90 328i than the more expensive and faster 335i.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:05
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BraveUlysses posted:pretty sure they dont bother computing the price of insurance off the number of doors anymore--i'm sure it's far more complicated than that. For instance, state farm quoted me higher insurance rates for e90 328i than the more expensive and faster 335i. Insurance told me an A3 was cheaper than a GTI of the same year based on crash statistics alone despite similarities.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:11
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8ender posted:Insurance told me an A3 was cheaper than a GTI of the same year based on crash statistics alone despite similarities. Yeah, you can go on the IIHS website and look up stuff like total-loss and liability statistics for different cars. It helps explain why Lancers are more expensive to insure than a Civic, for instance (Lancer owners total their own cars, and when they do, they total a lot of other cars on the way out). http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/insurance-loss-information
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Aug 28, 2014 18:13
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BlueBull posted:In terms of negatives over the G6 series, I wasn't able to get the Dynaudio system as an option, and the basic one is a little underpowered, although it copied over the touchscreen system at least. The seats are also missing the electric lumbar support, I have no idea why. Thanks for the write up. I appreciate that. Bummer on the seats missing the electric lumbar support. That was one of the things I really liked about the autobahn GTI I drove. If the performance package GTI isn't coming until January, I wonder when the Golf R is coming? Right now the dealerships I talked to are treating it like its a limited edition super desired vehicle that will be hard as hell to get for its entire life. I doubt this though. I had 0 issues finding and driving a previous generation R32 golf. I'm sure it will be nuts for a bit, but I think the hype will die down eventually.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:27
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BraveUlysses posted:pretty sure they dont bother computing the price of insurance off the number of doors anymore--i'm sure it's far more complicated than that. For instance, state farm quoted me higher insurance rates for e90 328i than the more expensive and faster 335i. Oh trust me, they still do. The 2dr Golf is more expensive than the 4dr Golf even with it being a TDI. I pay an extra 10 bucks a month because I'm missing 2 doors.
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Aug 28, 2014 18:36
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Franco Caution posted:Thanks for the write up. I appreciate that. It's still a bit of a struggle to get your hands on a G7R here as well, and it's been out since Feb 14 or so I think here. Only way to really find one immediately is to pay around 10% to 15% premium, otherwise you're looking at 3 months waiting list or so. But I am sure it will calm down, its not limited edition so there's a lot of sales bullshit going on at Dealer level. Keep in mind that the specs might be different in USA than to here, for example we get the de-tuned 206KW version here rather than a 221KW, leather is standard in GTI & R and so on. Maybe your seats will be different, I am not sure, as I forgot to check if SA spec GTI has it still.
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Aug 28, 2014 19:19
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Yeah, you can go on the IIHS website and look up stuff like total-loss and liability statistics for different cars. It helps explain why Lancers are more expensive to insure than a Civic, for instance (Lancer owners total their own cars, and when they do, they total a lot of other cars on the way out). Thats a cool resource and mirrors what my insurance told me:   Interestingly the A3 comes up under "mid-sized station wagon" while the GTI is under "2 door small cars" which I assume makes a further difference. So I guess all the young 20 something professional women driving the A3 is helping my insurance costs. 
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Aug 28, 2014 22:10
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Wow, the Scion tC really has some bad numbers, I wonder why?
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Aug 28, 2014 22:35
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Probably from people driving them like morons. I don't think I've ever seen a Scion tC owner drive like a human being with self-respect.
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Aug 28, 2014 22:47
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To stereotype a typical tC owner with RIMZZZ and illest stickers plastered all over it, I haven't seen a tC that wasn't being driven by an asshat, acting like an asshat, driving like an asshat in years... and I bet asshats have higher incidents of insurance claims than non-asshats. It's not a terrible car, but the stereotype of the typical tC owner I have pretty much makes them all asshats. It's like that scene in the movie Role Models... You white? You Ben Affleck. You drive a tC? You an asshat.
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Aug 28, 2014 22:52
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Ringo Star Get posted:Probably from people driving them like morons. I don't think I've ever seen a Scion tC owner drive like a human being with self-respect. I suppose its probably due to the higher than normal % of young drivers, but I would think that they would correct for that in their statistics.
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Aug 28, 2014 23:11
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Because the Scion is cheap, and marketed towards the younger generation So if they're not buying 10 year old Civic's, they buy a Scion
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Aug 28, 2014 23:26
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Thanks for a link to that site, I went back and pulled the 2003 to 2005 archives to see what the SRT-4 stats were, as I freely admit the majority of SRT-4 owners were young asshats. No real surprise the WRX, SRT-4 and EVO all score in the red zone on collision and theft  The insurance on my SHO is surprisingly cheap (~900/yr for 100/300/100), but I'm guessing that's more of me being a 30 something year old married guy with a home, 2 kids and good credit... instead of a 24 year old asshat with bad credit.
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Aug 28, 2014 23:29
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I think the Scion TC is the new Pontiac Sunfire/Chevy Cavalier. A lovely car that fools Then they drive it and it performs like an anemic slug and they get mad and drive it harder, and it performs bad still, it's an endless spiral.
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Aug 29, 2014 00:12
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veedubfreak posted:Oh trust me, they still do. The 2dr Golf is more expensive than the 4dr Golf even with it being a TDI. I pay an extra 10 bucks a month because I'm missing 2 doors. I really doubt it's due to the doors, no big insurance company uses "# of doors" as a rating factor. A 2 door may have a higher statistical payout in an accident, or be involved in more accidents, but the cost isn't higher just due to more doors.
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Aug 29, 2014 01:02
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priznat posted:I think the Scion TC is the new Pontiac Sunfire/Chevy Cavalier. A lovely car that fools This seems pretty accurate, I drove one with TRD suspension and it was still literally a 2 door Camry and felt slower and less fun than my '99 corolla.
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