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Rochallor posted:We've also established that anti-radiation medicine exists, so if the soldiers don't have any already, the Doctor could just pop into the TARDIS and get some from somewhere. Not to mention the Tenth Doctor absorbed radiation on two nonconsecutive occasions! "Oh, Doctor," I'd say, "That radiation'll be the death of you."
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Autonomous Monster posted:That scene where the Doctor's sealing the crack in the power cells made me laugh. Oh, hey, look- it's a bloody great crack spewing radiation all over the room- I'll stick my head right over that, get a good dose going, yeah? Oh, look, the Doctor is fighting a giant crack in the wall! Yeah, that better not mean what it looks like.
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Aug 31, 2014 02:42
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In all seriousness, can I make a comment about the Doctor having a soldier swallow a tracker with him thinking it would save him? Because holy poo poo, that was cold (and also awesome).
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Aug 31, 2014 02:44
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It's not like it scared the poor guy or made his death any worse. It was one of the few moments this week I really liked. Something about the episode felt rushed or ragged - a lot of dialogue delivered without the person speaking being on screen so it felt like ADR. I don't know. I liked the episode better when it was 'Dalek'.
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Chokes McGee posted:Why would we need them? Because, the Daleks are so nasty, right grandpa? I wasn't a huge fan of this episode for most of the little nit-picky reasons that others listed. However I have a new complaint to add to the pile. They could have easily used dead guy's line to get back up to the top of the Dalek, it would have been, to me anyway, an interesting situation and one where they were put in a position of being lucky that someone disobeyed the Doctor. It also would have been a clever call-back to earlier in the episode, etc. Maybe that was in the first draft but they changed it so they could give Missy a corpse? That is going to get really old if it happens every episode.
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Cliff Racer posted:I wasn't a huge fan of this episode for most of the little nit-picky reasons that others listed. However I have a new complaint to add to the pile. They could have easily used dead guy's line to get back up to the top of the Dalek, it would have been, to me anyway, an interesting situation and one where they were put in a position of being lucky that someone disobeyed the Doctor. It also would have been a clever call-back to earlier in the episode, etc. Maybe that was in the first draft but they changed it so they could give Missy a corpse? That is going to get really old if it happens every episode. If they needed to give Missy a corpse, surely they could have just sent the first guy? I think they just wanted the "brave soldier sacrifices self for the greater good" scene. Which is funny, because the Doctor barely has the semblance of a plan and it goes to poo poo anyway. 
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Aug 31, 2014 03:03
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I thought the ep was great! Loving Capaldi so far. I'm just waiting for some Venusian Akido.
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Shugojin posted:I think it was mostly better than Dalek. Also I think the "you are a good Dalek" line has a different tone. It's similar, but in context it has a different meaning - instead of "you would do a really good job as a Dalek" it's more "you are what you get if a Dalek has a sense of good and evil". DoctorWhat posted:Browsing Tumblr right after it aired, it distressed me terribly how many people totally missed the distinction. Alright, I need to go to bed, but I thought I'd address this while it's still fresh in my mind. You could read the line this way, but it's not necessarily wrong to read it the other way, either. There's nothing in that scene that suggests that the Dalek has actually acquired a conscience, judged its comrades and found them worthy of extermination. All it says is that it finds the Doctor's hate beautiful- divinely so, in fact. It's entirely plausible (to me, at least) that the Dalek flipped because it looked on that hate and decided that it needed to get in on that. Or even that it finds the Doctor's hate so pure that it comes to see the Daleks as impure by comparison- Doctor as Dalek Emperor. Honestly, there's no reason that the line couldn't be doing both simultaneously- and I think the episode is stronger for it. HopperUK posted:I liked the episode better when it was 'Dalek'. And this, why the gently caress not. The reason it doesn't bother me that this episode retreads a lot of well-travelled ground is... ...Dalek is kiiiinda ropey on rewatch. The central scenes with Eccleston are, yes, utterly brilliant, but everything around it is pissweak- the side characters, the set dressing- even the action pales in comparison to what we had tonight. The entrepreneur character is especially bad, and very nearly ruined the whole thing for me the first time around. Doctor What may well be right that Dalek is irreplaceable and the only possible story that could have introduced the creatures to the revival, but it's nowhere near the best possible version of itself. And I'm a sucker for taking something that didn't work or failed to live up to its potential and trying to perfect it. (Which is probably why I am actually hoping that Missy is the Rani)
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Autonomous Monster posted:Doctor What may well be right that Dalek is irreplaceable and the only possible story that could have introduced the creatures to the revival, but it's nowhere near the best possible version of itself. And I'm a sucker for taking something that didn't work or failed to live up to its potential and trying to perfect it. Fair enough! I think I'm suffering from Dalek fatigue.
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Aug 31, 2014 03:55
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After last week, I'll take any episode that doesn't make me feel ashamed to watch the show. I thought this was solid. I like how generally soft-spoken and reserved 12 is. It really makes his actual meltdowns stand out.
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Aug 31, 2014 04:01
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Great episode, and to honor it, Big Finish is offering the entire Dalek Empire I as a bundle for only 10 bucks!
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Aug 31, 2014 04:17
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Diabolik900 posted:I don't know that she's necessarily The Rani, but it seems plausible that she's a Time Lord. There's a definite similarity between the way she's grabbed people who seem to be dead and the way The Doctor did it at the beginning of this episode. Missy is short for Mistress. So obviously, she's the Master, regenerated as a female -- added bonus of "See! We can have a female timelord instead of a white dude." for Moffatt.
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Excellent episode. Capaldi was even better then last week, and I can't get over how Clara is so much better written! The Dalek battle was properly epic, both in space (looked like  ) and in the ship. Solid start so far!To clarify on something we were discussing pre-episode, MrL_JaKiri posted:Anyway short version: Whoever it was that picked out Peri, Jack and SJS as people "abandoned" by the Doctor picked out 3 terrible examples. Peri he was trying to save when he was dragged away by the time lords, Jack was already dead and SJS was dropped off safely in GB. The point is after those events you'd think he'd have gone back and saved them. With Peri, he just accepted the Time Lords' explanation of "Peri must go now, her new home planet of Krontep needs her" when he could easily just have popped back and picked her up and asked "so do you really want to stay with this guy?" (a fate worse than death, according to some Time Lords). Jack was dead, but he told Rose "Jack's fine, he's off saving the universe" and later reveals he just left Jack because he was weirded out. And with Sarah Jane there was no legitimate reason he didn't come back after his Gallifrey adventure was over. Speaking of old companions, I wonder if there's any chance in hell since Coal Hill School is apparently such a major setting if the school's Chairman of the Board of Governors will make an appearance. 
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I really dig Capaldi this episode for me was great. I don't really see the complaints honestly it was a really great episode. What do you see? I see hatred. Also, I think the Doctor struggling with his morality at this point is a brilliant idea and Clara being a teacher is a perfect reason why she's there, she's there to teach the Doctor that he can be a good person which is better than him lamenting over how he's such a bad person. It's a better job than Tenant did. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Aug 31, 2014 |
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Autonomous Monster posted:The reason it doesn't bother me that this episode retreads a lot of well-travelled ground is... ...Dalek is kiiiinda ropey on rewatch. The central scenes with Eccleston are, yes, utterly brilliant, but everything around it is pissweak- the side characters, the set dressing- even the action pales in comparison to what we had tonight. The entrepreneur character is especially bad, and very nearly ruined the whole thing for me the first time around. Agreed. The good bits are so good that they're all most people think of (myself included) but when you rewatch it, so much of the stuff AROUND the Dalek and the Doctor is really awful. This take on a similar story isn't perfect by any means, but it feels in general like there is just a higher standard to EVERY scene. Of course, for me nothing will ever quite match the chill I got seeing that eye light up in the dark and that voice start screeching when I first watched Dalek, mostly because it was 17 years since the last proper* Daleks had appeared in an episode of Doctor Who The adorably squeaky off-screen Daleks in the TV movie don't count 
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DoctorWhat posted:Not as good as Jubilee but I think it might be better than Dalek. More action! More excitement! More Daleks getting killed in very loud explosions! 
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thexerox123 posted:More action! It didn't come across in the final edit, but in the script "Rusty" decides to go on that killing spree because the other Daleks are singing a song.
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Aug 31, 2014 05:44
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That was a great loving episode. A few things I'm looking forward to: 1. After the sacrifice she made, I really hope we get to see the Doctor do something amazing in honor of Gretchen. 2. Given the Doctor's lack of acceptance for soldiers, his inevitable interactions with Danny are something I am very much looking forward to. Plus, you know Clara will eventually throw the Doctor's involvement in the Time War back in his face. I really can't say enough good things about Peter Capaldi so far. He's taking the character in a very different direction while still making him clearly the Doctor. And Jenna Coleman is doing great work so far too. This was a lot of fun to watch.
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Aug 31, 2014 06:03
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Capaldi's schnoz was really on display this episode.
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Aug 31, 2014 06:15
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Jurgan posted:Oh, look, the Doctor is fighting a giant crack in the wall! Yeah, that better not mean what it looks like. No one responded to this, so I'm just going to ask directly: they're not really bringing back the crack in the universe, are they? Also, I've liked both episodes so far (though they probably should have cut the dinosaur out of Deep Breath). In two episodes, Clara has shown more clear personality than in half a season.
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Aug 31, 2014 06:23
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All too often, stupid humans doing stupid things drive the conflict in each episode, but they never realize the error of their ways, at least not on screen. That has always frustrated me.
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Great episode all around, Capaldi is amazing so far and it's great that the writers finally managed to give Clara a personality. The cold open in particular had so many great lines from Capaldi that the rest of the episode could have been Love and Monsters and I would still walk away happy.
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Aug 31, 2014 06:39
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1) I really hope we never see the soldier girl again. 2) "I am not a good dalek. YOU are a good dalek."
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Aug 31, 2014 06:46
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I need a gif of the Doctor kicking open the TARDIS door. This episode made me love Capaldi's Doctor. It feels like Hartnell by way of Pertwee. One of me favorite quotes from the episode "[Clara] cares so I don't have to". This ep was fantastic. I really liked the chemistry between Coleman and Capaldi. Clara is becoming a better and more three dimensional character. And also this: 
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PassTheRemote posted:I need a gif of the Doctor kicking open the TARDIS door. Done and added in with the others. 
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Aug 31, 2014 07:09
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I thought this was a better effort than the last episode, though my wife wasn't terribly fond of it. The interior defense mechanisms didn't really make much sense. How many miniaturized people crawl around inside Daleks on a routine basis that they needed to create antibodies and a goo pool to deal with the refuse? Still waiting for the New Who version of the Heavy Weapons Dalek.
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Jerusalem posted:Done and added in with the others. I can't wait for The Doctor's Wife Pt II where they enter marriage counseling for how Capaldi has been kicking her.
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Jerusalem posted:Done and added in with the others. My favorite thing about this is that they must have taken the standard Tardis set, set up the fake walls and closet stuff in front of it, and then taken the shot right into it from there, and then they do the same thing when Clara exits the Tardis at the end of the episode. It's refreshing to see practical solutions and techniques when so many things, in both T.V. and film, are done via green screens and special effects. J-Ru, please dig out a gif of the Doctor walking into a green screen'd Tardis so we can see the comparison. Or don't, it probably looks even good even then and I'm just nitpicking.
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Jet Jaguar posted:Still waiting for the New Who version of the Heavy Weapons Dalek. If they make a new special weapons dalek they'd also need to make five minutes of Keff McCulloch inspired synth music to accompany it being deployed. It just won't be the same without a billion Orchestra Stabs.
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So...one question, weren't all the Time War style Daleks killed off by the New Paradigm ones? What was the point of Victory of the Daleks explicitly introducing the new Dalek redesign if we're just gonna keep trotting out the old ones? It made sense in Day of the Doctor, since we were in the Time War, but we keep seeing the wrong Daleks...
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jivjov posted:So...one question, weren't all the Time War style Daleks killed off by the New Paradigm ones? What was the point of Victory of the Daleks explicitly introducing the new Dalek redesign if we're just gonna keep trotting out the old ones? It made sense in Day of the Doctor, since we were in the Time War, but we keep seeing the wrong Daleks... The new daleks are shite and everyone has realised it
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The new daleks are shite and everyone has realised it How so? I thought they were pretty awesome, what with the clearly delineated roles and the like. Also they're HUGE! And the human-like eyeball inside the stalk was some great body-horror.
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, it's weird seeing Michael Smiley in such a straight role. Go watch a film called Outpost. Thematically related to the daleks! Trin Tragula posted:And then by being more serious it invites me to care about things like e.g. what the gently caress happened to all that radiation that was driving their Geiger counters off the scale? If they're shrunk they'll be less susceptible surely - same amount of person just made smaller. If they're 0.1% of the size and they need the same absolute dose to damage them then the fact they're only hit by 0.1% of the radiation they would be if they were normal size has a huge effect.
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jivjov posted:How so? I thought they were pretty awesome, what with the clearly delineated roles and the like. Also they're HUGE! And the human-like eyeball inside the stalk was some great body-horror. They looked like childrens toy versions of the daleks, and had a disturbing amount of badonkadonk
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Jet Jaguar posted:The interior defense mechanisms didn't really make much sense. How many miniaturized people crawl around inside Daleks on a routine basis that they needed to create antibodies and a goo pool to deal with the refuse? I don't know, how many people crawl around inside you that you have the same things?
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jivjov posted:So...one question, weren't all the Time War style Daleks killed off by the New Paradigm ones? What was the point of Victory of the Daleks explicitly introducing the new Dalek redesign if we're just gonna keep trotting out the old ones? It made sense in Day of the Doctor, since we were in the Time War, but we keep seeing the wrong Daleks... The rewrote it so that those big Daleks were like the new supreme council or whatever, but were producing their own Dalek-soldiers with the previous models. Then gradually just stopped using the new ones entirely because: MrL_JaKiri posted:The new daleks are shite and everyone has realised it I guess technically you could argue that somewhere tucked away on New Skaro or a tucked away heavily fortified spaceship or something those Daleks are still around safeguarding Dalek genetic purity in the event of a catastrophe or something. But really, once again, the answer is because: MrL_JaKiri posted:The new daleks are shite and everyone has realised it
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Wheezle posted:Seriously. Who looks at that and goes "yes, that looks like a great update to the iconic Dalek design"? Todays dwarves are too fat to fit inside the originals.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Go watch a film called Outpost. Thematically related to the daleks! Of course, this is a sci-fi show, so I'm perfectly happy to accept that "Yeah, we fixed the radiation off screen with anti-radiation pills", but if we want to apply some actual science.... Damage to tissue from radiation depends on a number of factors. Your Absorbed Dose is the energy absorbed divided by the mass of absorbing tissue (Measured in Greys). Higher numbers = worse. Now, this is a piss-poor measure of how dangerous the radation will be to a living being, so we then multiply Absorbed Dose by a radiation weighting factor (or Quality factor) depending on the type of radiation to give the "Equivalent Dose" (in Sieverts, or more usually milliSieverts). A dose of 0.1 Sieverts will increase yoru cancer risk, a dose of 2 Sv may be fatal, and with current technology 8 Sv will kill you, nothing we can do about it. Now, even this isnt a complete calculation of risk, because radiation absorbed by the skin will obviously have a different risk than radation absorbed by the brain or the bones. So, short form; poo poo is complicated, but assuming that when they were shrunk they lost mass as well (seems reasonable as there were 5 people standing in essentially the same place and the dalek didnt tip over) and bearing in mind the square-cube law (the volume of tissue decreases faster than the surface area when you make something smaller) then their danger from radiation has drastically increased. D = E/M, and while being smaller will have decreased the energy absorbed, the mass will have decreased more, leading to a higher Absorbed Dose, giving us a higher Equivalent Dose. If their mass hasnt decreased with their size then they are in less danger, but on the other hand at that point they could fight the daleks by reducing the size of the soldiers and dropping on them as all their mass will be focussed on a tiny area. Like I say, I dont tend to let things like that bother me in a sci fi show (although the last Die Hard movie...), I was more taken out of it by them using "rad" as a unit as opposed to "Greys". As they are neither in the 1960s or American then they should be using the SI unit. It was as if they were describing distances in Furlongs or chains. It can be interesting to apply actual science to this kind o fthimn got thing about what woud actually happen in similar situation.
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