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Also chiming in to ask what, exactly, is exciting about an offer with a title you don't like, a work-life balance you don't like, and $15-$25k less (yes, if your intangibles and perks are worth $20k-$30k in your opinion, this isn't a $5k raise at all). I'm also not sure why you think your current employer would keep you part-time with no on-call and a salary bump plus keeping the $20k in perks when you've checked out. He'd have to be retarded. Reality check: this is not an upgrade or even lateral move. Titles don't matter, but going from "running the network" to anything with "desktop support" is a downgrade. You are more replaceable than you think you are and your current employer will probably not acquiesce to the demands of a part-timer. They may also just tell you to pack your poo poo and pay a MSP or a firm to run things until they can hire someone else.
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BigPaddy posted:Replace Oracle with any software vendor that also does it's own consultancy. Salesforce hosed my company in the arse hard with their "Professional Services". 3 years down the road and a good 25% of my time is spent fixing their crap and replacing the test classes they wrote that always return true just to get coverage above the contracted 90% number. Welcome to the domain of "Solutions Architect", it is a very difficult position requiring a lot of knowledge to perform well and you are generally fighting against everyone to do anything whilst also layered in bureaucracy and meetings. It is the jack-of-all-trades master-of-none show piece position.
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MrMoo posted:Welcome to the domain of "Solutions Architect", it is a very difficult position requiring a lot of knowledge to perform well and you are generally fighting against everyone to do anything whilst also layered in bureaucracy and meetings. It is the jack-of-all-trades master-of-none show piece position. I'm going to print this and frame it and put it on my desk.
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God damned federal holidays. The client for my new gig is still working on their "suitability" check so I can find out my start date. I'm not too, too worried about it, but I'm signing my lease tomorrow and I'm leaving for vacation on Friday so I'd like to have this poo poo figured out as soon as possible. I guess it's a good thing I still haven't officially quit my previous job, yet.
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evol262 posted:Also chiming in to ask what, exactly, is exciting about an offer with a title you don't like, a work-life balance you don't like, and $15-$25k less (yes, if your intangibles and perks are worth $20k-$30k in your opinion, this isn't a $5k raise at all). My reasoning is, almost all my intangibles aren't on the books, things like the free meals and such, and if I keep my current job part-time I still have access to all of them. I am bored enough with my current job to the point that I wanted to go to part time anyway, not because I'm overworked but because this place is lame. But I can be bothered to work 60 a week if it means I can hedge my bets between both jobs. Of course it can backfire horribly, that's my concern, but I have a ton of savings with no debt or responsibility so I can take a risk. I'm not replaceable in my opinion (or my boss's opinion) because I do the work of two people at the wage I'm paid and I purchase $10,000 worth of equipment on eBay every month for years with my own credit card. I'm immediately reimbursed, but because there's no such thing as a company card and all the approved channels are up to ten times as much money for the same things (kickbacks way up the ladder I think), the CFO set me up as a vendor so I can buy this way legit. I save the place 100k a year (I itemized it for the CEO to prove it) in a way that no one else is willing to do. But my gripe is this job pays me what they think they can get away with, not what they think I'm worth. This was my attempt to flip the script. The two best scenarios to me are: 1) I get the title and overtime I want at the new place and all my demands part-time at the old place. Honestly, both jobs involve the same mix of desktop support and systems admin/engineer, the title is semantics but I insist it sound fancy. 2) I tell the new place to take a hike, but somehow leverage the offer letter to get a raise at my current job with my current hours, easier said than done because it's cheapskates over here but I could call it a day if I pull that off.
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Zero VGS posted:I'm not replaceable in my opinion (or my boss's opinion) because I do the work of two people at the wage I'm paid and I purchase $10,000 worth of equipment on eBay every month for years with my own credit card. I'm immediately reimbursed, but because there's no such thing as a company card and all the approved channels are up to ten times as much money for the same things (kickbacks way up the ladder I think), the CFO set me up as a vendor so I can buy this way legit. I save the place 100k a year (I itemized it for the CEO to prove it) in a way that no one else is willing to do. But my gripe is this job pays me what they think they can get away with, not what they think I'm worth. This was my attempt to flip the script. You're so irreplaceable that they can't be bothered to pay you anything like a competitive wage for your position? And because you have a credit card? Almost nobody anywhere is truly irreplaceable and the people that are aren't underpaid.
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Sep 3, 2014 07:46
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Zero VGS posted:I purchase $10,000 worth of equipment on eBay every month for years with my own credit card
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Cenodoxus posted:In lieu of formal training, why don't you just send out some suspicious-looking honeypot emails every once in a while, but instead of a malicious .exe attached to it, you attach a Powershell script that sets their speakers to full volume and opens up one of those gag "HEY EVERYONE, I'M LOOKING AT GRANNY PORN" flash pages? My company started doing that, sending out fake phishing emails. Except they only get a finger wagging, no real consequences.
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Zero VGS posted:
Lol, yes you are.
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Sep 3, 2014 13:36
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You do the work of two people for the price of one without complaint, and could be replaced by a corporate credit card. Why do you think you're in a position of leverage?
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If you're going to give your current employer any ultimatums, make sure your credit card has been paid off first and for the love of God don't buy anything for them after that, because they honestly might try to gently caress you over. I would also say never use your personal card for your employer's purchases in the first place but I guess we crossed that bridge a long time ago.  Thanks Ants posted:You do the work of two people for the price of one without complaint, and could be replaced by a corporate credit card. Why do you think you're in a position of leverage?
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I don't see any kind of SMB or Enterprise Networking thread but does anyone have experience with Gate Protect Firewalls? We're having a problem where we're getting a tiny fraction of our up/down 50mbit bandwidth and not even GP-Support can figure it out. It was working a few weeks ago without a problem. 
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"How can we gently caress over a guy who's already doing someone's job for free?" "I dunno, how about he pays our credit card interest?"
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Misogynist posted:"How can we gently caress over a guy who's already doing someone's job for free?" They pay me back before 30 days so I don't pay interest, and like I was saying our company doesn't do company cards which is why they asked in the first place. I should clarify, of course I'm replaceable, but they'd never make back the value they get from me. I'm not replaceable for my wage, we literally had interviewees with equal qualifications to mine laugh and walk when we told them what they'd start at (my wage). Edit: I guess what I'm getting at is, I think the only reason they're not paying me what I ask is because they think they can get away with it. I was making 20/hr so I asked for a raise to 30, they gave me 25 instead of completely balking. Just like with the new job, I told them the offer was too low and they came back 5k higher. It's obnoxious how I can't know what's really on the table without these ultimatums. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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The only reason not to do a company card is if they're barely surviving month-to-month and are worried about their ability to pay it off.
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Zero VGS posted:They pay me back before 30 days so I don't pay interest, and like I was saying our company doesn't do company cards which is why they asked in the first place. How much are you floating for them monthly? Do you have hard/soft copies of approval for every purchase you make? If you don't, start getting them because they could just say they never authorized you to make the purchase when/if you decide to leave and have an outstanding balance.
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Misogynist posted:"How can we gently caress over a guy who's already doing someone's job for free?" My old boss did this for ALL IT department purchases. He'd be spending $20,000 a month. So many Sony points. edit: Also some guy here used to buy poo poo on his personal card and sell it back to the company (at a higher price) wtf
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 Let's talk about lovely office buildings. They've added on to this building like 3 times. Mystery light switches, wiring this place with new CAT6 is a nightmare. Brand new chair with 80's carpet that's missing a huge strip and then a 80's desk that got hit by a car or something because it's so warped and bent the drawers won't even close. DON'T TRIP ON THE WIRES!
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Inspector_666 posted:The only reason not to do a company card is if they're barely surviving month-to-month and are worried about their ability to pay it off. It's a fortune 500. H.R. Paperstacks posted:How much are you floating for them monthly? Do you have hard/soft copies of approval for every purchase you make? If you don't, start getting them because they could just say they never authorized you to make the purchase when/if you decide to leave and have an outstanding balance. About 10k, yes, multiple hard copies of every purchase, approved in writing by CFO. Like I said they have me do it because I can for example get a dozen biometric timeclocks for $40 each on eBay and set them up myself, or they can put in a PO for them where they pay $3000 each, direct from the company. That actually happened, several times. That's why not having a company credit card sucks for them.
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Zero VGS posted:I should clarify, of course I'm replaceable, but they'd never make back the value they get from me. I'm not replaceable for my wage, we literally had interviewees with equal qualifications to mine laugh and walk when we told them what they'd start at (my wage).  So... I don't... You... Are you proud of this? You know those interviewees were basically laughing at you, right?
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Of course I'm pissed off about that, which is why I went and got a higher job offer to wave in their faces.
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Bob Morales posted:
Yea, I've been in the same situation but that honestly looks like a potential fire hazard...
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Zero VGS posted:Like I said they have me do it because I can for example get a dozen biometric timeclocks for $40 each on eBay and set them up myself, or they can put in a PO for them where they pay $3000 each, direct from the company. That actually happened, several times. That's why not having a company credit card sucks for them. Using your own credit to by company equipment is beyond stupid.
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Zero VGS posted:They pay me back before 30 days so I don't pay interest, and like I was saying our company doesn't do company cards which is why they asked in the first place. Wait. You are paid so poorly that new interviewees literally walk away laughing, AND you actually purchase company goods on your personal credit card? And don't see anything wrong with that? Holy loving hell you have to be trolling.
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stuxracer posted:Does eBay prohibit using a company credit card or something? The company just doesn't have company credit cards, at least they do not exist in our subsidiary. They only do purchase orders or pay vendors, so they had to set me up as a vendor. CLAM DOWN posted:Wait. You are paid so poorly that new interviewees literally walk away laughing, AND you actually purchase company goods on your personal credit card? And don't see anything wrong with that? The credit card thing is valuable to the CFO in a very quantifiable way, and of course no one else is willing to do it, it looks a bit shady sure but they've never been late paying me back and it's something to hold over them. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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Zero VGS posted:It's a fortune 500. I'm really, really confused how you (making $50k/yr) are buying equipment on eBay because they don't have a corporate card, and you have a personal agreement with the CFO. At a F500. The CFO's executive secretary probably makes more than you. What's missing from this story?
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It's a CFO of a subsidiary of the F500, not the CFO.
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Zero VGS posted:The company just doesn't have company credit cards, at least they do not exist in our subsidiary. They only do purchase orders or pay vendors, so they had to set me up as a vendor. I want to know the name, but don't want to know (do not post it). Did someone from your company (your boss) tell you this? Or do you know for sure they do not have company cards? Hell I would bet your department secretary has one to buy food and office supplies.
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Zero VGS posted:The company just doesn't have company credit cards, at least they do not exist in our subsidiary. They only do purchase orders or pay vendors, so they had to set me up as a vendor. Stop doing it. You're loving insane and stupid as hell. Stop putting company purchases on your own credit card. I cannot believe you don't see a problem with this.
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stuxracer posted:How does a fortune 500 not have P cards? That doesn't make sense at all. Even small businesses get cards because it makes tracking expenses easy.  We had P cards with the worst restrictions ever. $200 spending limits (it's fun telling people to run the card 3-4 times so you can buy a projector), a huge list of approved vendors...talk about a pain in the dick.
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NippleFloss posted:You're so irreplaceable that they can't be bothered to pay you anything like a competitive wage for your position? And because you have a credit card? You don't get it, he's irreplaceable because no one else would let themselves get hosed this hard. He obviously has all the bargaining chips with the company to miserly to pay him a fair wage and there is no way they wouldn't just let him go to save the 5 bucks a week they pay him. edit: Oh, I just realized Zero is in the Boston area. Now I'm scared about who he works for. You should tell us so I know to never work for them. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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Bob Morales posted:
At what point did you think "  This would be so much easier and I would much prefer it if I could just put it on my personal credit card"?
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Zero VGS posted:It's a CFO of a subsidiary of the F500, not the CFO. Are you in some idiotic org like a small medical facility that's part of a giant HMO, and feels the need to maintain its own board? First -- I guarantee you have a corporate purchasing person. Find that person. I know that buying used biometric timeclocks for $40 is easier on your facility's budget than buying them new for $3k, but your purchasing person probably has a preferred vendor with a discount. And they're accountable, can be amortized over the expected lifespan (including the warranty and support contract), etc. It's entirely likely that your CFO is also a moron, and his personal stamp of approval isn't gonna mean poo poo for your personal card if he loses his job. What are your actual skills? I find it hard to believe that you find any of this -- crappy pay, crappy alternate offer, feeling like management is going to gently caress you until you challenge them with a counter-offer, buying used kit when you work for a F500, buying used it from eBay when you work for a F500, buying used kit from eBay with your own credit card when you work for a F500, salary so low other candidates literally laugh, obviously inflated title that has no correlation to what your skills and experience actually are -- acceptable unless you're in your early/mid 20s and you have no idea how jobs are supposed to work. Let's work backwards. What are your skills, what are you currently making, and what was the counter-offer? I'm now thinking that anything that gets you the gently caress out of this place is actually a good idea, and that there's almost no way you're getting 25k in "intangibles" when you make 50k.
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Median pay in a major metro area for a Senior Systems Engineer or Lead Systems Engineer is around $125k FYI
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Four words come to mind - Goon. In. A. Well (okay, three words and a vowel). For God's sake someone take away his loving shovel.
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Misogynist posted:Median pay in a major metro area for a Senior Systems Engineer or Lead Systems Engineer is around $125k FYI When I asked for a raise a year back I asked you guys what the most impressive sounding title was and made them formally change me to it. In the corporate outlook directory I show as "Systems Engineer III" as the tiers don't go up any higher than that. There was no debate that I matched the job description though. evol262 posted:Let's work backwards. What are your skills, what are you currently making, and what was the counter-offer? I'm now thinking that anything that gets you the gently caress out of this place is actually a good idea, and that there's almost no way you're getting 25k in "intangibles" when you make 50k. My experience is 4 years IT in the military and 5 at this company. I make 50k. My skills/duties have been the same at both places: Windows server 2003 administration, lots of GPO, all manner of computer janitor stuff, run ethernet/phone line/wifi, run a VoiP server, do a lot of CCNA-level stuff like I set up a VPN-Anyconnect portal myself, I'm the only guy supporting 300 full time users and 300 part time. I put in a chat server, Spiceworks ticket system, migrated to Windows 7, I didn't think most of it was that impressive but I've had a half dozen IT guys from all the other subsidiaries call me and have me guide them through everything over the phone. My boss is director of three different departments so he doesn't have time to do much to help me other than being a firewall between idiot upper-management and me.
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You make 50k/year, and don't see a problem with putting 10k/month company purchases on your personal credit card 
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Zero VGS posted:My experience is 4 years IT in the military and 5 at this company. I make 50k. My skills/duties have been the same at both places: Windows server 2003 administration, lots of GPO, all manner of computer janitor stuff, run ethernet/phone line/wifi, run a VoiP server, do a lot of CCNA-level stuff like I set up a VPN-Anyconnect portal myself, I'm the only guy supporting 300 full time users and 300 part time. I put in a chat server, Spiceworks ticket system, migrated to Windows 7, I didn't think most of it was that impressive but I've had a half dozen IT guys from all the other subsidiaries call me and have me guide them through everything over the phone. Something is seriously wrong here 
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Zero VGS posted:When I asked for a raise a year back I asked you guys what the most impressive sounding title was and made them formally change me to it. In the corporate outlook directory I show as "Systems Engineer III" as the tiers don't go up any higher than that. There was no debate that I matched the job description though. 50k is helpdesk money where you are. You're being screwed so hard.
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Welp, sounds like I'm undervaluing myself. I'm gonna have to figure out what to do today. Try to strongarm this place into another raise, go back to my first plan of lowering myself to 20/hr here and test the waters at the new place, or I could keep pushing the newer place for a better offer, or just say gently caress it and keep applying at more places? I mostly just don't have time to apply/interview because I'm swamped.
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