CopywrightMMXI posted:

What are the worst ECW ppvs (not counting WWECW)?

Alteisen posted:

I'm trying to remember the name off it, new year's something, it was the only major WWE PPV to be done in Puerto Rico.

Main thing I remember from it was Maven get pinned twice I believe within 10 seconds and Lita landing outside the ring in a way that it legit looked like she broke her neck. I recall a lot of matches having to be cut due to injuries during that PPV.

jpmeyer posted:

Most of the candidates people are bringing up have self-evident, easy to grok explanations for why they are bad. So-and-so was on drugs, X number of matches featuring people that can't work, etc.

The short answer to "Why is New Blood Rising the worst PPV ever" is that it was so overbooked and so obsessed with shooting that you basically had no idea what your response was supposed to be to anything that was going on.

People will say things like "5 words: Judy Bagwell on a forklift" but that doesn't really get into why that is terrible. It seems self-evident, but it's so much deeper than that.

First: why is she on a forklift? There's multiple levels to this. "Why?" in the sense of "what is the reasoning behind having her on a forklift at ringside rather than like sitting at the announce table or something?", but also "why?" in the sense of "What exactly does this stipulation in the match mean for the match itself?" You don't win by racing to the top of the forklift with her, for example like in a viagra on a pole match. She's not a weapon, like a coal miner's glove on a pole match.

This then also fails to recognize that the match features a run-in by David Arquette. Again, you read "run-in by David Arquette" and assume that that's enough by itself to make a match terrible, but again that's not even the whole picture. He wasn't around for months before then, so why come back now? And of course, it also leaves out the fact that OF COURSE this leads to a heel turn by him (which again, also doesn't make sense since everyone already hated him legitimately) in yet another swerve-for-swerve's sake.

Almost every match (even the opening ladder match) suffers from these problems, combined of course with the standard complaint of the actual wrestling in the matches also being terrible.

Memento posted:

New Years Revolution 2005. I vaguely remember the main event being alright, but the rest of the matches were utterly terrible.

sexy_trash posted:

I was at this PPV in Vancouver and when David Arquette we were all so unbelievably confused, it truly made zero sense. I was with my mom, and her and the people around us thought maybe it being filmed for a movie or something, because we had no clue.

The Goldberg in a motorcycle accident/refuse to follow the script storyline made no sense because nobody told us in the arena what was happening. Goldberg just showed up with his ribs taped and nobody knew where he was. They didn't even play his music because the announcers explained it on TV.

WCW was so bad at this point, the people in Vancouver were just going to it for the sake of going to wrestling, so we are all excited to see Sting wrestle...52 seconds later it was over.

I vividly remember David Penzer or one of the wrestlers asking if they wanted to see Kronik wrestle again in that impromptu match vs. Vampiro and Great Muta and the crowd more or less saying 'no'.

This PPV was such a clusterfuck by the time Lance Storm came out in his pro-Canadian gimmick vs. Mike Awesome, we more or less gave up on the story lines and just cheered for him uncontrollably like Canadians used to do for the Hart Foundation in 1997.

Seriously, such an awful show in a barely half full Pacific Coliseum.

Great line from the wikipedia article for the show "Despite never being announced before or during the show, every match on the card was contested under no disqualification rules."

Madtrixr posted:

Oh my god. I am so sorry. They didn't explain the whole Goldberg thing to the crowd at the show? What in the flying hell.

OldTennisCourt posted:

In all fairness, how could you explain to a live crowd something like that? It's why those "OH GOD, HE'S GOING OFF SCRIPT" things are so rarely done well. It's either clearly a work or you have no clue what the hell is happening or why.

Karmine posted:

Here is the episode of the pisscast where we talk about New Blood Rising featuring the best Ernest Miller promo ever and the Great Muta in TWO (2) MATCHES! http://www.mediafire.com/download/6qv3obgz3fhsh76/029+Wrestlehut+Pisscast.mp3

Royal Rumble 99 is a very bad show featuring the dumbest shittiest rumble match ever, tag champs Bossman and Ken Shamrock facing Billy Gunn and Road Dogg in separate singles matches, X-Pac vs. Gangrel which is just a weird rear end pairing, Sable vs. Luna in a strap match, and the Rock making sure Mick Foley never rides a roller coaster again.

But man that Rumble match. The whole premise of the match was basically "Austin vs. McMahon." We knew going in that Austin and Vince would be numbers 1 and 2, and that Vince had put out a bigass bounty for whoever eliminated Stone Cold from the match. So basically Austin kicks the poo poo out of Vince for a while and then Vince's corporate goons come in and beat up Austin, brawling their way to the bathrooms where the corporation leaves Austin to be picked up by EMTs. So no more Austin (for now), no more Vince (for now), and we are left with perhaps the most midcard geek heavy Rumble ever (and yeah it includes guys like Edge and HHH who would become big stars but they really weren't in 99). The Undertaker does not appear in this match but he "sacrifices" Mabel and turns him into Viscera by having the Acolytes beat him up. After a while Vince comes back and sits in on commentary with Cole and Lawler (this part was actually kinda awesome) while his goons (Bossman, Test, and Shamrock I think?) run poo poo in the ring. After a few minutes Austin has apparently hijacked his ambulance and returned to the arena where he lays waste to everyone until it's back down to just Austin and Vince again and then Rock runs in and eliminates Austin, giving Vince the win.

It's a really terrible show as is pretty much everything else from all three major companies in 1999.

sticklefifer posted:

I nominate Great American Bash 2006.

coconono posted:

just watched UFC9 and if you like sloppy fights with Big John being forced into the moral quandary to end a fight to save a dude's life or let it continue for the fans, this is for you. Main event was piss but Don Frye made up for it with his flagrantly illegal brutalization of some schlub.

sticklefifer posted:

Was it a GAB where they had that barbed wire cage match where the whole point was that you couldn't escape, and then JBL beat Big Show by escaping?

Justin Godscock posted:

Great American Bash 2004 also had Eddie dropping the belt to JBL who was getting a mega-stupid heel push because it was one of those Creative deals where Vince loved the idea. This was back when JBL was a midcarder and got this Lesnar or Hogan-style mega-push out of nowhere at Eddie's expense.

The first few WWE Great American Bash PPVs were all terrible to the point where people thought it was going to be WWE's Uncensored PPV where it was just cursed.

LightsGameraAction posted:

Wait so JBL's entire time in the main event prior to facing Cena at Wrestlemania 21 was that one reign?

WWE was dead to me from 2002-2005/6 so I've only been filling in gaps since then but holy crap, really? By the time 21 rolls around they act like JBL has been on top for years.

ayn rand hand job posted:

Relatively speaking? It was.

He had been champion for 10 consecutive months at that point.

I think it was the longest reign since Diesel.

ayn rand hand job posted:

No.


That was No Way Out, where there was in fact a way out.

LightsGameraAction posted:

Wait so JBL's entire time in the main event prior to facing Cena at Wrestlemania 21 was that one reign?

WWE was dead to me from 2002-2005/6 so I've only been filling in gaps since then but holy crap, really? By the time 21 rolls around they act like JBL has been on top for years.

jpmeyer posted:

Like for example, if the "script" is "Goldberg wrestles Nash and then loses", and Goldberg "doesn't want to go along with the script", why would he go into the ring, wrestle with him a few minutes, and then storm out rather than not show up in the first place or "act" like he's wrestling Nash and then suddenly "shoot" on him or something?

oldpainless posted:

Dont work a work into a shoot marks shoot work marks marks marks work work shoot hh.

oldpainless posted:

Dont work a work into a shoot marks shoot work marks marks marks work work shoot hh.

RZApublican posted:

Does anyone have the screenshot from when this was on Twitter? I need it to print it out and frame it.

Grendels Dad posted:

Wait, who am I supposed to shoot?

Is it Mark? Why would I shoot Mark?

Memento posted:

sticklefifer posted:

Was it a GAB where they had that barbed wire cage match where the whole point was that you couldn't escape, and then JBL beat Big Show by escaping?

Sprecherscrow posted:

As mentioned it was No Way Out '05, but you're incorrect about the whole point being you couldn't escape. In fact, for that cage match you couldn't win by pinfall or submission and could only win by escape. They padlocked the door, so the idea was the winner would have to go over the barbed wire to win.

I actually really enjoyed JBL's main event run. He basically learned a new style of working (cowardly heel when he was used to powerhouse babyface) in a couple of months and had several good matches. Yes he had Eddie to help him along, but it's not like that's a knock on him. The PPVs he mainevented sucked because Smackdown didn't have enough stuff in the midcard to fill out a whole show.

Red posted:

I think, over time, JBL won us over, and looking back, he was a fairly effective heel champ, even if his cronies were essentially useless.

Memento posted:

edit: that's exactly 140 characters so I guess he didn't have enough room to Heil Hitler like he normally does.

TheHoosier posted:

Think I've read that tweet 100 times and still can't follow it. Where's Professor Steiner when you need him?

Mystery Opponent posted:

A cool rear end tweet is what it is

Sprecherscrow posted:

As mentioned it was No Way Out '05, but you're incorrect about the whole point being you couldn't escape. In fact, for that cage match you couldn't win by pinfall or submission and could only win by escape. They padlocked the door, so the idea was the winner would have to go over the barbed wire to win.

Memento posted:

New Years Revolution 2005. I vaguely remember the main event being alright, but the rest of the matches were utterly terrible.