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Sonnen's right re: the stance, but you have to recall that he's largely talking about Americans, all of whom will have extensive folkstyle experience - I would agree that for guys with extensive folkstyle experience being good at greco is better than being good at freestyle, but being good at folkstyle is much more important than either.
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Bundt Cake posted:Sonnen linked to shady investment plan Hahahaha, yes
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What's the crocop pushing people thing about? I'm a huge crocop fan but for the life of me I can't figure out what's being referenced.
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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Dangersim posted:What's the crocop pushing people thing about? I'm a huge crocop fan but for the life of me I can't figure out what's being referenced. the schoolyard shove he used to constantly do to try and reset range for his kick. except he got progressively worse and worse at landing or even throwing the kick so a large part of his output was just shoving his opponent completely ineffectually.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:the schoolyard shove he used to constantly do to try and reset range for his kick. except he got progressively worse and worse at landing or even throwing the kick so a large part of his output was just shoving his opponent completely ineffectually. That's actually what I thought it might be I thought it might be to obscure, which is a silly thing to think here.
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the schoolyard shove is now completely illegal in boxing but for an excellent example of it being used watch foreman frazier I. joe frazier was incredibly tough, had good movement, good power and was one of the best in-fighters imaginable. he needed to get inside to work, and foreman need to keep him at range so he could land his big shots. instead of trying to keep him at range with jabs (which was an incredibly difficult task against frazier) foreman just kept shoving him back. it was very brief and one of the most violent fights i ever seen.
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Foreman/Frazier is also notable because, although there are obviously many times in history where an undisputed, undefeated champion gets defeated, there aren't all that many where they get absolutely loving murdered.
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it was the greatest fighter of all times at the peak of his capabilities getting steamrolled by the meat man
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and that lead directly into the insanity that was ali/foreman, where ali's strategy was to let the meat man who hits like a comet pummel him until he got tuckered out, which worked great somehow.
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fatherdog posted:Foreman/Frazier is also notable because, although there are obviously many times in history where an undisputed, undefeated champion gets defeated, there aren't all that many where they get absolutely loving murdered. That fight is so uncomfortable to watch when you know how hosed up Joe Frazier was later in life.
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Sep 5, 2014 17:32
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George Foreman was really good at giving the greatest fighters of all time horrible brain damage.
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david carmichael posted:and that lead directly into the insanity that was ali/foreman, where ali's strategy was to let the meat man who hits like a comet pummel him until he got tuckered out, which worked great somehow. the footage of foreman hitting the heavy bag training for that fight is loving terrifying
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Sep 5, 2014 17:35
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we should do some kind of group watch of a bunch of that trio's fights sometime. really compelling stuff on a lot of levels.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:the footage of foreman hitting the heavy bag training for that fight is loving terrifying He hits Frazier so hard at the end he lifts off his feet 
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david carmichael posted:we should do some kind of group watch of a bunch of that trio's fights sometime. really compelling stuff on a lot of levels. I'd love that. I love watching historic fights but I miss a lot of the behind the scenes stuff.
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david carmichael posted:we should do some kind of group watch of a bunch of that trio's fights sometime. really compelling stuff on a lot of levels. This is a cool idea and I would totally be down for it
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Silva/weidman 1 was pretty much a big Ali tribute, right down to getting dropped with a left hook.
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:This is a cool idea and I would totally be down for it
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Well, we have the means to do it via psp-tv and we've talked about streaming old fights of every kind before, the issue is that last time we tried it there were like 2 people The wrasslin' people like make a night of it with Tuesday Night Nitro or w/e
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Yuriy posted:Well, we have the means to do it via psp-tv and we've talked about streaming old fights of every kind before, the issue is that last time we tried it there were like 2 people Post a reminder about it in here and another relevant thread or two and I'll for sure watch that. I vote Thursdays.
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I would love to watch more boxing with people who know poo poo about boxing
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Any recommendations for good old-school boxing fights to watch? I don't know poo poo about boxing.
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Most people don't know poo poo about boxing.
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Notably including commentators, referees and judges
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attackmole posted:Any recommendations for good old-school boxing fights to watch? I don't know poo poo about boxing. Ali Frazier 1 is a great place to start.
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attackmole posted:Any recommendations for good old-school boxing fights to watch? I don't know poo poo about boxing. The Gatti/Ward trilogy will always be my favourite. Paquiao/Marquez had four really good fights and you should watch them in order to get the full payoff and learn about timing. Foreman/Moorer was really cool at the time but might not be as exciting now without the context. It's a fight about patience. If you want to look at creative entries to get into hooking range watch Tyson or Patterson.
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Watch Duran/Leonard 1, then Duran/Hearns, then Hearns/Hagler, then Hagler Leonard.
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fatherdog posted:Watch Duran/Leonard 1, then Duran/Hearns, then Hearns/Hagler, then Hagler Leonard. Duran/Hearns has the loudest punch ever, and just reading Hagler/leonard makes me angry.
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On a slight tangent, Unforgivable Blackness is a real good Ken Burns documentary about Jack Johnson. Johnson is a fascinating character, also very interesting just from a technical fighting perspective. It also gives a good impression of how important boxing was socially back in the day.
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If no one else steps up I can run the night, I just need to know what fights. My first thought would be to run say the Ali/Frazier fights, but the Frazier/Foreman fights might be better to start with for all I know. I've been wanting to watch old fights with knowledgeable people ever since I watched When We Were Kings (which happens to be on youtube too.)
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EvanSchenck posted:On a slight tangent, Unforgivable Blackness is a real good Ken Burns documentary about Jack Johnson. Johnson is a fascinating character, also very interesting just from a technical fighting perspective. It also gives a good impression of how important boxing was socially back in the day. i would recommend the book also
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MassRafTer posted:If no one else steps up I can run the night, I just need to know what fights. My first thought would be to run say the Ali/Frazier fights, but the Frazier/Foreman fights might be better to start with for all I know. I've been wanting to watch old fights with knowledgeable people ever since I watched When We Were Kings (which happens to be on youtube too.) Just do it chronologically.
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fatherdog posted:Watch Duran/Leonard 1, then Duran/Hearns, then Hearns/Hagler, then Hagler Leonard. hagler/leondard is the greatest robbery of all time in that it robber us of hagler, because after that terrible decision he was just like "well that's enough of this" and went to italy
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MassRafTer posted:If no one else steps up I can run the night, I just need to know what fights. My first thought would be to run say the Ali/Frazier fights, but the Frazier/Foreman fights might be better to start with for all I know. I've been wanting to watch old fights with knowledgeable people ever since I watched When We Were Kings (which happens to be on youtube too.) do the trio's fights chronologically.
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So Floyd being called out by 50 to read Harry Potter. I feel like PSP has to have talked about this. Where is it so I can get some facts?
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Herr Tog posted:So Floyd being called out by 50 to read Harry Potter. I feel like PSP has to have talked about this. Where is it so I can get some facts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vskxj22-1c&t=69s
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Herr Tog posted:So Floyd being called out by 50 to read Harry Potter. I feel like PSP has to have talked about this. Where is it so I can get some facts? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3641277
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was it fatherdog or someone else who scored hagler/leonard for leonard? reveal yourself and atone for your sins
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Not me, I constantly bitch about the judges getting that wrong
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It makes me mad because you can see leanard actively trying to trick the judges and it worked.
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