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Somberbrero posted:That's not wrong. I'd prefer to talk less about who I can't vote and more about who I should vote if that's possible though.
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Juanito posted:Unless you can't.. why wouldn't you share details at this point? We don't have to discuss it. But you've hinted enough at your role that you should tell us why you can't vote certain people. That is odd, and an enormous handicap for a town player. Sure, why not. It's not like anything else is happening. I'm in an unconfirmed mason group with Winson, Grandi, Meinberg, and Maltose. I can't vote any of them today. It should be temporary and it's related to other stuff. I have had pretty good interactions with Meinberg and Grandi and I feel fairly confident they're town. If I had to guess that one player in my group it'd be Winson, based on something he said about how he was planning on exercising as much caution as possible which struck me as odd. Could easily be Maltose though, dude has hardly been around.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:19
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Somberbrero posted:Sure, why not. It's not like anything else is happening. I'm in an unconfirmed mason group with Winson, Grandi, Meinberg, and Maltose. I can't vote any of them today. It should be temporary and it's related to other stuff. I have had pretty good interactions with Meinberg and Grandi and I feel fairly confident they're town. If I had to guess that one player in my group it'd be Winson, based on something he said about how he was planning on exercising as much caution as possible which struck me as odd. Could easily be Maltose though, dude has hardly been around.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:33
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No, I'm pretty sure that's just on me.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:35
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Somberbrero posted:No, I'm pretty sure that's just on me. 
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Sep 5, 2014 21:38
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So yeah, out of the five players I'm able to vote, Capitalist seems fair enough.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:41
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But just because you can't vote for the players in your masonry, I don't understand why they're off the table entirely as lynch candidates? Anyone else can vote for them.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:48
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Somberbrero posted:So yeah, out of the five players I'm able to vote, Capitalist seems fair enough. This is terrible. I don't want to lynch someone that I don't really think is scum at this stage just because your options are limited Somber.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:50
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Great, go ahead and push for that but I can't really help. I'll go through and try to case Winson or Maltose but it doesn't seem like either has much content and most people aren't around.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:53
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I'm pretty confident in Somb and Grandi myself. And Maltose and Winson are still pretty new, so I'm not sure how comfortable I feel voting for them on D1. I would like them to post more, certainly. On the other hand, I don't have a strong scum read on anyone. That Jedit vote on MMM has set off some warning bells, but there's not been a whole lot to go on beyond that on Jedit, and it was early enough for it have been a joke. CPig's claim has me feeling that he's more towny than otherwise, but I'm still somewhat suspicious of him. Despite rereading the thread a couple times, I'm still not feeling anyone. What I'm saying is, I'm bad at Mafia.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:54
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Yeah, turns out Winson has two real posts in this game and the only one with serious content has a bizarre premise that the more active players are scummy. He says "maybe" on five players. Dude is newer, doesn't seem like lunching him would be helpful.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:57
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Nothing real from Maltose either. FV if you have an awesome argument to make then I'm listening. Otherwise it's Capitalist or Merkin for me I guess. I want to give Merkin the benefit of the doubt because he's been driving a lot of the conversation, even if I really disagree with him.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:59
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Somberbrero posted:Nothing real from Maltose either. FV if you have an awesome argument to make then I'm listening. Otherwise it's Capitalist or Merkin for me I guess. I want to give Merkin the benefit of the doubt because he's been driving a lot of the conversation, even if I really disagree with him. I made my case earlier. It's not awesome, but no case in this game so far is.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:02
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There is nothing to go on, but I don't get a scum vibe off CPig or MMM and I don't really want to lynch an active player in a low volume game.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:04
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Meinberg did you talk to Grandi out of thread?
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Sep 5, 2014 22:06
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MildManeredManikin posted:Meinberg did you talk to Grandi out of thread? We've all been talking on and off. fiery_valkyrie posted:There is nothing to go on, but I don't get a scum vibe off CPig or MMM and I don't really want to lynch an active player in a low volume game. Activity isn't really any indicator of alignment though. I get that it's rough but sometimes scum care more too. Winson_Paine posted:That said, I have no clue. All the reads so far seem tenuous at best, and I haven't actually been in a game where a scum got hit on D1 so idk. I guess if I were to make a read? I dunno, I would expect scum to be more engaged or aggressive from go than passive to start. Like I would think it would behoove a scum player to entrench themselves in a position where you could start pointing fingers so if poo poo washed back your way it would be easier to deflect. Like, just sitting around or making jokes seems like it would make it easier to be a target, which is not something the informed minority wants but is fairly easy for the uninformed rabble to do. If we're going to call out fence sitting, this is really bad. He mentions me, FV, Jedit, Pig, Grandi, Hal, and Maltose. The strongest impression I get is that he thinks Grandi is town. Maybe?
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Sep 5, 2014 22:11
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fiery_valkyrie posted:There is nothing to go on, but I don't get a scum vibe off CPig or MMM and I don't really want to lynch an active player in a low volume game. So Grandi is participating in the doc, and yet he hasn't posted in the thread in 2 days...
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Sep 5, 2014 22:12
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Juanito posted:So Grandi is participating in the doc, and yet he hasn't posted in the thread in 2 days... I'm not sure the last time he talked to us but it doesn't really change my read, although he should definitely get back here and post.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:14
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I hadn't realised Grandi hadn't posted in so long. He's normally pretty active, isn't he?
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Sep 5, 2014 22:16
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Jedit posted:I hadn't realised Grandi hadn't posted in so long. He's normally pretty active, isn't he? Not in my experience. Am I still scum?
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Sep 5, 2014 22:18
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I'm only going to be around for another hour, who is here right now?
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Sep 5, 2014 22:18
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Somberbrero posted:Yeah, turns out Winson has two real posts in this game and the only one with serious content has a bizarre premise that the more active players are scummy. He says "maybe" on five players. Dude is newer, doesn't seem like lunching him would be helpful. I still don't get how that is a bizarre premise but then again I just read like a one hundred post exchange that indicates being good at Mafia may indicate you have actual brain damage. Somberbrero posted:
If you need clarification, that is more words than was needed for "I don't have a loving clue." I think maybe FV and Grandi are townish but would not extend that past like, not voting for either of them today. The closest I have to a scum read is Hal, but that is entirely tummyfeels and I can not make a case for it.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:19
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MildManeredManikin posted:I'm only going to be around for another hour, who is here right now? Hi! I am, briefly.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:20
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Juanito I sort of want to vote Hal though.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:21
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Somberbrero posted:Juanito I sort of want to vote Hal though. He's not a good target. He isn't posting enough here, like some other players, but you should look elsewhere.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:24
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Winson_Paine posted:I still don't get how that is a bizarre premise but then again I just read like a one hundred post exchange that indicates being good at Mafia may indicate you have actual brain damage. Generally people see posting a lot as less scummy than posting a bit since you're more likely to reveal yourself as scum if you post a bunch.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:27
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Juanito seems pretty certain of Hal My guess is that either Juanito had some sort of investigative thing n0, is in a confirmed masonry, which would be bonkers, or they are scum together.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:27
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Winson_Paine posted:I still don't get how that is a bizarre premise but then again I just read like a one hundred post exchange that indicates being good at Mafia may indicate you have actual brain damage. Can you explain it at all? Putting out strong opinions and building connections reads as very town to me. I dunno how you'd find scums otherwise. Winson_Paine posted:If you need clarification, that is more words than was needed for "I don't have a loving clue." I think maybe FV and Grandi are townish but would not extend that past like, not voting for either of them today. The closest I have to a scum read is Hal, but that is entirely tummyfeels and I can not make a case for it. Yeah, the point was kinda that there were a lot of words saying nothing. White noise, posts that look like content but don't say anything, are a solid way to look like you're contributing without putting yourself in an awkward position as scum.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:27
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Hal usually sits back day one and gets more into on the later days, I'm willing to let him slide for a bit.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:28
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CapitalistPig posted:Juanito seems pretty certain of Hal Let's speculate on roles some more publicly.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:29
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Somberbrero posted:Let's speculate on roles some more publicly. 
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Sep 5, 2014 22:33
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I like speculation, but us being scum together would be really dumb.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:36
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Rude, Denis.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:37
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I read the watermark as "Penis" at first.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:38
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Juanito posted:Do ya want to no lynch or wat No, I don't want to no lynch but I also don't want to make half the game off limits because one person has a vote restriction.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:39
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fiery_valkyrie posted:No, I don't want to no lynch but I also don't want to make half the game off limits because one person has a vote restriction.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:41
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Somberbrero posted:Can you explain it at all? Putting out strong opinions and building connections reads as very town to me. I dunno how you'd find scums otherwise. No, alas, I can not. I got nothin. Note: my gut has never, ever been right and was in fact consistently wrong the last time I played Mafia, so that probably means Hal is golden. I realize general town theory of posting theories and reading posts, but I can't see them as being worth a poo poo since without even the D1 vote to give perspective you can't see who was steering what where. I don't play enough to have reads on anyones META so you can see at least a little how I am flying kind of blind here. Somberbrero posted:Yeah, the point was kinda that there were a lot of words saying nothing. White noise, posts that look like content but don't say anything, are a solid way to look like you're contributing without putting yourself in an awkward position as scum. I thought defending yourself was scummy? I remember that being the case.
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Juanito posted:True, I was mostly wondering if you had any specific scummy targets. I made a case and have a vote down. Who are your scummy targets?
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Sep 5, 2014 22:44
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I have to go to the gym now. I should hopefully be back about 15 minutes before deadline.
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Sorry, was busy preparing dinner.MildManeredManikin posted:Meinberg did you talk to Grandi out of thread? Yes, and he's still somewhat suspicious of me, which is his right. Winson_Paine posted:I thought defending yourself was scummy? I remember that being the case. I've always had this assumption myself, but it seems that certain people may view defending one way and others another.
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