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hogmartin posted:Looking at those MiGs in the museums, I started wondering about western aircraft in eastern-bloc displays. I can think of a few, but I can't imagine they're quite as common, or in nearly as good shape as the ones that came west with defectors - the ones that went east would be more likely to have been shot down. Just off the top of my head, I can think of the four B-29s that ended up in Russia and were dismantled for reverse-engineering, the Francis Gary Powers U-2, the Balkan war F-117, and I think I recall a B-52 on display in Vietnam. Are there any that I'm missing? Any that aren't in a pretty wrecked state? Bunch of American-built stuff at Datangshan in China. A P-51 and three C-46's captured from the KMT and pressed into service with the PLA, a F-86 courtesy Pakistan, and and F-104 from Italy, bits of a ROK U-2, probably an F-5 or two...plus the two TU-4's.
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Slo-Tek posted:Bunch of American-built stuff at Datangshan in China. A P-51 and three C-46's captured from the KMT and pressed into service with the PLA, a F-86 courtesy Pakistan, and and F-104 from Italy, bits of a ROK U-2, probably an F-5 or two...plus the two TU-4's. ROC U-2, not ROK...the Black Cats were Taiwanese. I'm not sure what if anything is on display anywhere now, but the eastern-bloc got their hands on some intact US equipment by way of Vietnam after the South fell...F-5s, A-37s, Hueys, and a couple beat-up Herks was about the extent of it I think. Also not sure if you'd consider it "eastern-bloc" due to the whole Tito/Stalin split thing but the U.S. sold a fair amount of equipment (F-84s and F-86s among other things) to Yugoslavia in the '50s.
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iyaayas01 posted:ROC U-2, not ROK...the Black Cats were Taiwanese. Ho Chih Minh City has a museum called the War Remnants Museum that goes into some of the gorier aspects of the war. In front of the museum they have a handful of captured aircraft which include, among others, an F-5 and an A-37 both US Air Force insignia. I'm pretty sure the USAF didn't fly either during the Vietnam War...
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ehnus posted:Ho Chih Minh City has a museum called the War Remnants Museum that goes into some of the gorier aspects of the war. In front of the museum they have a handful of captured aircraft which include, among others, an F-5 and an A-37 both US Air Force insignia. The USAF actually flew both (a little). There was the Skoshi Tiger evaluation program of 12 F-5s to Bien Hoa and Da Nang in '65. Those aircraft stuck around after the eval ended and were flown by an air commando squadron for another year before they were given to the VNAF. Right around the same time the F-5s got handed over to the VNAF in '67 there were 25 A-37As deployed to Bien Hoa under the Combat Dragon evaluation program, where USAF aircrew flew them. After the evaluation program wrapped up the USAF took the lessons learned and went to Cessna to develop the A-37B...some of those aircraft were utilized in USAF service in Vietnam, in addition to all the ones we sold to the VNAF. That said, I'm sure that all the aircraft were wearing VNAF insignia when they were captured.
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Unresponsive plane overshot florida and it on the way to Cuban airspace, most likely hypoxia. http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/05/us/norad-air-threat/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Plinkey posted:Unresponsive plane overshot florida and it on the way to Cuban airspace, most likely hypoxia. They apparently asked for lower and went down from FL280 to FL250 before they lost communications. Poor bastards. ATC recording here. Aircraft is N900KN. They check on and then ask for lower a little while later due to an "incorrect indication". They ask for FL180 but only get FL250 for traffic. They state they need lower. The controller turns them 20 degrees left. Then they get cleared to FL200 which they respond to. Then they get cleared direct taylor(official "spelling" unknown. They acknowledge this but it's pretty clear they stay turned out and at FL250. Responses get less and less clear. All of the communications with responses are before 10 or so minutes. They didn't declare an emergency and the controller didn't follow up on what they needed lower for. The more info you have the better. fknlo fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Sep 5, 2014 |
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They keep saying it was a 900 on msnbc but the n number inquiry on faa.gov says it's a 700.
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Taylor (TAY) is a VOR in northern florida, probably what he was cleared to.
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The Ferret King posted:They keep saying it was a 900 on msnbc but the n number inquiry on faa.gov says it's a 700.
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Any Southeast Michigoons going out to the Selfridge Air Show/Open House today? It's free and looks pretty fun and the Blue Angels are flying. I'm taking the tsarinas out for the afternoon. http://www.selfridgeopenhouse.com/
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That CNN article says that a chase pilot saw the pilot slumped at the controls. Crazy sad 
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Didn't the same thing happen in pretty much the same region about a year or so ago?
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Colonial Air Force posted:Didn't the same thing happen in pretty much the same region about a year or so ago? Happened about a week ago. EDIT: Interestingly, the Cirrus now has an automated system to help protect against hypoxia, not sure if the accident aircraft I linked had this system or not: Cirrus Hypoxia Check System Of course, though hypoxia at the accident flight's cruise altitude of 19,000ft is a very plausible theory, the pilot was 67. He may very well have just died in the plane from other health problems. The Ferret King fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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Colonial Air Force posted:Didn't the same thing happen in pretty much the same region about a year or so ago? A twin Cessna, I think it was a 421 did something similar out over the gulf, ya. It's more common than I wish it was. 
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The Ferret King posted:
One of the articles on Reuters said that the windows were frosted over on the inside.
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bull3964 posted:One of the articles on Reuters said that the windows were frosted over on the inside. I wonder why. The Cirrus isn't pressurized.
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So... I just realized that I don't really need a flying car, as cool as that'd be. Just a plane big enough to drive a car into. So, what's the smallest transport that can take a Miata? I assume they aren't quite as affordable as ancient 172s but might be something to keep in mind for when
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mobby_6kl posted:So... I just realized that I don't really need a flying car, as cool as that'd be. Just a plane big enough to drive a car into. So, what's the smallest transport that can take a Miata? I assume they aren't quite as affordable as ancient 172s but might be something to keep in mind for when CASA 212, I think.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:Any Southeast Michigoons going out to the Selfridge Air Show/Open House today? It's free and looks pretty fun and the Blue Angels are flying. I'm taking the tsarinas out for the afternoon. I forgot that was this weekend  Take pictures!
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The Ferret King posted:Happened about a week ago. Hmm, I wonder if they could have it set the transponder code too, so ATC can be warned.
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mobby_6kl posted:So... I just realized that I don't really need a flying car, as cool as that'd be. Just a plane big enough to drive a car into. So, what's the smallest transport that can take a Miata? I assume they aren't quite as affordable as ancient 172s but might be something to keep in mind for when A Short Skyvan looks like it should be able to fit a small car inside, but I'm not sure it can.
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^^^ Oh thanks, both of those are cute little cargo planes  The prices I see for them are over a million, but still cheaper than a flying car, at least. CroatianAlzheimers posted:Any Southeast Michigoons going out to the Selfridge Air Show/Open House today? It's free and looks pretty fun and the Blue Angels are flying. I'm taking the tsarinas out for the afternoon. There's also a NATO show-off weekend in a couple of weeks but I'm already booked for a wedding hopefully it gets canceled so I can go.
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For a flying car or air-car-transport to be really useful, you need rough field STOVL capabilities at least, ideally VTOVL. I'm sure the Russians have just the right helicopter for you.
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FrozenVent posted:For a flying car or air-car-transport to be really useful, you need rough field STOVL capabilities at least, ideally VTOVL. An AW609 might carry a motorcycle or two, doubt a miata would fit.
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hobbesmaster posted:An AW609 might carry a motorcycle or two, doubt a miata would fit. How about a Mil Mi-17? E: Or whichever. The one that holds all those dudes. 3 Action Economist fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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mobby_6kl posted:There's also a NATO show-off weekend in a couple of weeks but I'm already booked for a wedding I was really hoping the Poles would do their stereotypical Su-22 demo, but so far all they have listed is a Mig-29. Oh well, should still be a great show.
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mobby_6kl posted:So... I just realized that I don't really need a flying car, as cool as that'd be. Just a plane big enough to drive a car into. So, what's the smallest transport that can take a Miata? I assume they aren't quite as affordable as ancient 172s but might be something to keep in mind for when A friend of mine used to do something like that in the past, he'd go to airshows with a convertible merc in the back, a sofa and a fridge full of beer. I can't remember which aircraft he used though. I know at one point he did have a b25 and an A26 invader not sure if they'd be big enough. This was quite some time ago though and well before I knew him.
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Anyone into Air Racing. The RedBull Air Race stopped off in DFW this weekend:   Here's the album: https://picasaweb.google.com/115758916632133870662/2014DFWRedBullAirRace?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCMK82d-j067_bQ&feat=directlink
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Skreemer posted:Anyone into Air Racing. The RedBull Air Race stopped off in DFW this weekend: I was at the RBAR when they went to NYC for the only time. That was so loving cool, but it sucks that they never came back (understandable though; they probably lost so much money to do it)
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mobby_6kl posted:So... I just realized that I don't really need a flying car, as cool as that'd be. Just a plane big enough to drive a car into. So, what's the smallest transport that can take a Miata? I assume they aren't quite as affordable as ancient 172s but might be something to keep in mind for when DHC-5 Buffalo should be mentioned, as it can take off and land from basically anywhere. The V-22 Osprey could also carry a Miata internally
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Nebakenezzer posted:DHC-5 Buffalo should be mentioned, as it can take off and land from basically anywhere. Despite my borderline irrational love of deHavilland designs, the V-22 is the obvious answer here.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I forgot that was this weekend No pictures sadly, as I didn't feel like bringing my DSLR rig and the camera in my phone is on the fritz, but here's a report. The theme of the show was "Women in Aviation", which is awesome because both my daughters are named after WWII Soviet fighter pilots and I'm always on the lookout for lady pilots for them to meet. There was an all-woman skydiving team, the only woman licensed skywriter in North America, and all the stunt and aerobatic solos and teams were all women (save the Angels). On static display they had Yankee Air Museum's three birds (Yankee Lady (B-17G), Yankee Warrior (B-25D), and Yankee Doodle Dandy (C-47/DC-3), a C-17 out of Stewart, a TC-135W Rivet Joint trainer out of, uh, somewhere, a Viper from the 180th ANG wing out of Toledo, a KC-135, a couple of new Texan trainers (which look like two-position F5s) and just about all the Red Devil A-10s out of Selfridge. They also had a Chinook, a couple of Coastie choppers, and a DHS Blackhawk in this weird black and gold livery that looked for all the world like it was a Macomb County Sheriff bird. For oddities, there was a '48 Ercoupe which was just goddamned adorable and was smaller than my car, a Super Pinto, an ancient Cessna 172, a couple of mid-century European jet trainers (The Super Pinto, the trainers, and a couple other things are owned by World Heritage Air Museum down at Detroit City Airport (KDET) that hadn't heard of before. Apparently they also have the only flying DeHavilland Vampire in North America, an aircraft I saw a couple weeks ago at Thunder Over Michigan. Flying they had a killer MiG-17, all the stunt planes (nameless, high-pro one-off aerobatic planes I couldn't begin to describe), Selfridge's A-10s and a KC-135 did some flybys, and then the Blue Angels. The Angels were great, but they were neither as flashy nor as loud as the Thunderbirds. As for non-aviation stuff, the Marines had an engineering unit out there with a bunch of trucks and earth movers on display that you could climb all over, and they had an M2 and a Mk.19 on tripods you could play around with. THey were also giving kids camo facepaint jobs making them all look like Martin Sheen at the end of Apocalypse now. There was also a respectable collection of bouncie castles and inflatable slides/obstacle courses for the kids, which was also free. The only black mark on the whole day was that the parking was a complete shitshow. Coming in was fine, very organized with volunteers and SPs directing traffic into spots. Going out there were no volunteer or SP traffic controllers and it was a loving free-for-all as everybody left at once and tried to get out the one single exit all at the same time. It took the kid and I 90 minutes to get out of the parking lot, then when we finally got out on to the road that runs behind the base there were four Macomb Co. Sheriff's deputies standing there all in a row directing traffic. Thanks a heap you dumb shitkickers. Anyway, it was a blast and it was free and there were a ton of cool planes. I'd recommend it to anyone in the area.
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Saw this pop up on hackernews of all places, but there's a golden Concorde megathread on pprune, with a lot of interesting details from former techs, pilots and flight engineers.
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MrYenko posted:Despite my borderline irrational love of deHavilland designs, the V-22 is the obvious answer here. At a flyaway cost of $70 million for the V-22, I dont know if its the right answer. Perhaps a C-130/L-100 is more appropriate? You could carry the miata and a couple of spares (cars, not parts). Its cheaper, too!
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If it's not an Osprey, Dash 7. I mean, look at this ridiculous, beautiful motherfucker:  We may have strayed from the original mission of carry-a-miata, but I don't care. The -7 is ALWAYS the answer.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:No pictures sadly, as I didn't feel like bringing my DSLR rig and the camera in my phone is on the fritz, but here's a report. Dammit I missed both airshows this year. Willow Run due to work, and then this one because I had no idea Selfridge had an airshow (just moved up here a couple years ago). Guess I'll have to wait until next year - Willow Run is supposed to get the Angels next year; I was sad I missed the T-birds this year because I haven't seen them in close to 20 years.
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MrYenko posted:If it's not an Osprey, Dash 7. I have almost 2000 hours on a Dash 7. I loved that piece of junk always breaking plane 
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:The theme of the show was "Women in Aviation", which is awesome because both my daughters are named after WWII Soviet fighter pilots and I'm always on the lookout for lady pilots for them to meet. There was an all-woman skydiving team, the only woman licensed skywriter in North America, and all the stunt and aerobatic solos and teams were all women (save the Angels). Lydia and Ekaterina? The first two that popped in to my mind, anyway. I named my sons after the first human in space, and a famous Soviet sniper! (Well, ok, that's only kind of true, I just happened to like the name Vasiliy).
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mobby_6kl posted:So... I just realized that I don't really need a flying car, as cool as that'd be. Just a plane big enough to drive a car into. So, what's the smallest transport that can take a Miata? I assume they aren't quite as affordable as ancient 172s but might be something to keep in mind for when Just glue some wings and a prop engine on your car and there you go. 
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Colonial Air Force posted:Lydia and Ekaterina? The first two that popped in to my mind, anyway. Oldest tsarina is Katerina (Budanova) Lydia (Litvyak) and littlest tsarina is Natalia (Meklin) Yulia (uh, princess Juliana of the Netherlands. Long story, family name thing). I wanted Valentina (Tereshkova) but my wife vetoed that because, and I quote, "That name sounds like it belongs to a forty year old Italian gigolo". My wife is the WASPiest WASP that ever WASPed, though, and while she has many fine qualities, she has no soul and a severe lack of awesome names in her ancestry. And yeah, man. I know your little comrades. Remember I put Yuriy into, like, half a dozen of my Rogue Trader books?
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