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infernal machines posted:so the drivers exist now though? and have since like 2013 or so at least? yes? is yours also a 43xx or something else cuz my whiny story is from like 2005-2006 fyi
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holy poo poo thats 8-9 years ago im old
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Progressive JPEG posted:is yours also a 43xx or something else yeah, it's a 43xx chipset. the reverse engineered drivers and even official first party broadcom drivers have been around for years
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Sep 7, 2014 00:45
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when i gave fedora a spin literally the only thing that didn't work oob was optimus, and that took about 5 lines of "sudo yum $whatever" and a restart thinkpad supremacy
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congrats on having to use the command line to fix something that should have worked oob. linux almost doesn't suck in really specific edge cases
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infernal machines posted:congrats on having to use the command line to fix something that should have worked oob. linux almost doesn't suck in really specific edge cases the windows equivalent is needing to load network drivers from the cd that comes with your motherboard in order to download video card drivers and 4.3 gigs of windows updates. sure the command line isn't involved but it's just as much as a gently caress around
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infernal machines posted:congrats on having to use $SIMPLE_FIX to fix something that should have worked oob. $YOUR_OS almost doesn't suck in really specific edge cases
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my stepdads beer posted:the windows equivalent is needing to load network drivers from the cd that comes with your motherboard in order to download video card drivers and 4.3 gigs of windows updates. sure the command line isn't involved but it's just as much as a gently caress around Yea its been my experience that if you're building a computer installing Linux is less hassle than installing windows, including using the command line and installing video drivers etc. I don't know if this speaks to Linux being OK or windows being such poo poo that it makes Linux look good in comparison
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Blue Train posted:Yea its been my experience that if you're building a computer installing Linux is less hassle than installing windows, including using the command line and installing video drivers etc. I don't know if this speaks to Linux being OK or windows being such poo poo that it makes Linux look good in comparison Except this hasn't been true in years, modern windows is surprisingly bulletproof
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Forums Terrorist posted:Except this hasn't been true in years, modern windows is surprisingly bulletproof It was true when I installed windows 7 like 3 years ago. Maybe 8 fixed it lol
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Blue Train posted:It was true when I installed windows 7 like 3 years ago. Maybe 8 fixed it lol 8 is the same, but you have to use metro at the same time.
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my stepdads beer posted:the windows equivalent is needing to load network drivers from the cd that comes with your motherboard in order to download video card drivers and 4.3 gigs of windows updates. sure the command line isn't involved but it's just as much as a gently caress around actually windows is way worse in cases where your drivers arent on the windows 7 cd
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Forums Terrorist posted:thinkpad supremacy
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windows is designed for pre-built non-upgradable purely disposable computers that have their disks imaged in the factory, any other scenario is a half-assed afterthought
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the win8.1 install that came on my laptop was p poo poo despite being a flagship model, but that's acer and anything not hardware for you
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pseudorandom name posted:windows is designed for pre-built non-upgradable purely disposable computers that have their disks imaged in the factory, any other scenario is a half-assed afterthought what other kind of computers are you buying? the vendor or your it dept. is supposed to handle this poo poo. the thing about windows is even if you build a diy machine out of salteens and alibaba reject parts it'll still boot to desktop and actually be usable
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infernal machines posted:the thing about windows is even if you build a diy machine out of salteens and alibaba reject parts it'll still boot to desktop and actually be usable unless you have to install the bespoke network drivers from the motherboard DVD in order to download working GPU drivers
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pseudorandom name posted:unless you have to install the bespoke network drivers from the motherboard DVD in order to download working GPU drivers even then you'll have a usable desktop with full colour at the native resolution of your display. as opposed to having Xorg poo poo itself and dump you to a command line because it doesn't like your display chipset and the "3rd party" driver didn't install right. hope you like using linx or wget to dig up your drivers and figure out which bug-of-the-month broke Xorg bonus points if the 3rd party driver requires a custom kernel that just never boots your system again
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isn't it still called xfree86 where you're from? also a word of advice, stay out of the world trade center on the 11th, you'll thank me later
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lol, i've had that poo poo happen in the last year on hardware that's maybe three years old. Xorg and linux graphics support is still just as poo poo as every other part of user facing linux.
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Every time I've installed Debian Ubuntu and fedora they've all worked fine with nvidia AMD and onboard Intel cards for the last several years. Dunno why you have such bad luck, maybe try again with a better distro or smth
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most recently i had ubuntu poo poo itself over a mobile quadro chipset in a laptop and fedora just be a PITA about the wireless chipset. i think the only fully working oob installs i've ever had were in vmaware VMs. which is handy, because i use those more, but also ridiculous
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infernal machines posted:the thing about windows is even if you build a diy machine out of salteens and alibaba reject parts it'll still boot to desktop and actually be usable no it won't, it'll be running windows
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I've never had a modern linux not work perfectly on my thinkpad. Perhaps you all should use less poo poo computers for your linuxing?
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Rahu posted:I've never had a modern linux not work perfectly on my thinkpad. Perhaps you all should use less poo poo computers for your linuxing? i though the point of linux was installing it on poo poo computers
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how poo poo are we talking? does it come with illustrated instructions on disabling the WHQL certification check before you install drivers?
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just curious has anyone ever gotten a laptop from https://system76.com/? if so i'd be interested in a trip report
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syntaxrigger posted:just curious has anyone ever gotten a laptop from https://system76.com/? just get a thinkpad t/x imo
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syntaxrigger posted:just curious has anyone ever gotten a laptop from https://system76.com/? the keyboards on some of the newer models are awful like, unusably awful. google the model names before you buy them.
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syntaxrigger posted:just curious has anyone ever gotten a laptop from https://system76.com/? very misleading with a name like that it should be selling refurbished PowerBooks running System 7 (which will be far more usable than a linux, esp since hypothetically you could cross-compile a modern browser for one with either GCC or clang)
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syntaxrigger posted:just curious has anyone ever gotten a laptop from https://system76.com/? they are just shitbox laptops from OEMS like clevo/sager that are xX LINUX Xx
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syntaxrigger posted:just curious has anyone ever gotten a laptop from https://system76.com/?  GAMING LAPTOP from xoticpc or some poo poo because they'll likely be the same model
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syntaxrigger posted:just curious has anyone ever gotten a laptop from https://system76.com/? new coworker has one with a hidpi screen, it's nice
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thanks guys came across this and I guess it goes here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pOxlazS3zs
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Phoenixan posted:your better off buying a this is more or less the idea. i buy a machine that has pre-chosen hardware that should be no problems for linux then if i decide i hate myself i end up installing windoze osx would be viable if i didn't feel so pretentious just looking at them
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The husband wife couple that runs System 76 came to talk to us and just ranted incorrect things about secure boot the entire time. They have no idea what the gently caress they're doing.
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Forums Terrorist posted:when i gave fedora a spin literally the only thing that didn't work oob was optimus, and that took about 5 lines of "sudo yum $whatever" and a restart To be fair, prime support (yeah, we went there) is something we have wanted to integrate more natively forever. The hard part is doing the policy to determine which apps go on which GPU.
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