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StashAugustine posted:So if Wolverine's skeleton is metal how does he get red blood cells then, hmm? Porous metal, duh.
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Unstable molocules
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Sep 7, 2014 17:29
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Wolverine's skeleton is laced with metal.
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Sep 7, 2014 17:32
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Wolverine is laced with a special form of adamantium called "adamantium beta" that bonds directly with the bone's structure and doesn't cover it, but instead just enhances the existing structure. Apparently this process only works with mutants because *handwave* *farting sound* (Yes, this contradicts characters like Bullseye or Cyber who are human but adamantium-enhanced.) In some stories this ability to survive having laced bones is purely a property of his healing factor, and without it he starts to die since his blood cells won't replenish. It's been a bit inconsistent. In the current comics without his healing factor, he has to take medication to overcome adamantium metal poisoning (which seems weird, given I'd presume adamantium effectively is a noble metal, but...)
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Sep 7, 2014 18:05
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Really the old laced with metal procedure was a lot more, well metal. They routed channel in every bone on four sides and shoved a strip of adamantium in there then bolted them together through the bone.
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Sep 7, 2014 18:57
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Apparently this process only works with mutants because *handwave* *farting sound* Pretty sure Bullseye and other non-Wolverine adamantium jobs have much lower adamantium to bone ratio and just use plain old indestructimetal. Wolverine has the whole skeleton made of metal thing.
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Sep 7, 2014 19:18
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StashAugustine posted:So if Wolverine's skeleton is metal how does he get red blood cells then, hmm? Healing factor. Frankly, the metal skeleton should give Wolverine a lot of health issues plus make him more vulnerable comics makes him out to be. Those memory holes aren't from evil government projects, they're because he gives himself five concussions a day just walking around.
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Sep 7, 2014 21:09
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It reminded me of the sci-fi novel Cobra, where the military creates supersoldiers with lacquered bones and then they all come down with anemia.
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Sep 7, 2014 22:15
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The way it looked in the 90s cartoon flashback was like the adamantium was freaky-superscience-electroplated onto his skeleton through his flesh, so you'd think it bonded onto the surface of his bones on a molecular level and naturally avoided soft tissue like blood vessels, nerves, etc running through the bones. It only works with enhanced healing factors because, you know, being electrocuted while a metal turns liquid and soaks into your body to bond with calcified bone tissue is fifty kinds of fatal to any normal person.
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Sep 8, 2014 02:51
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Speaking of Wolverine and adamantium, what made Magneto rip out the adamantium in Wolverine's skeleton back in the 90s? Was it as grisly as I think it was? (like a cross-section of someone, haven't read the actual issue in particular)
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Sep 8, 2014 03:11
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I remember way back in the day when I was in high school working at the local convenience store (which was a great job for reading comics). I picked up one book, I think it was an issue of Weapon X, maybe, and it had a scene where there was a team of surgeons who had basically flayed Logan right down to the bone and we're trying to physically implant the adamantium in his bones before his healing factor closed the wounds. None of that "injecting it with needles" poo poo that came later. I remember being both horrified and impressed. Previous to that I think I'd only really experienced the Stan Lee/Jack Kirby "everything is bright, primary colours and everyone speaks in overwrought soliloquys" school of superhero comic.
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Sep 8, 2014 03:16
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Schneider Heim posted:Speaking of Wolverine and adamantium, what made Magneto rip out the adamantium in Wolverine's skeleton back in the 90s? Was it as grisly as I think it was? (like a cross-section of someone, haven't read the actual issue in particular) It was pulled out like streams of liquid. You can see the page here. http://marswillsendnomore.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/x-men-25-magneto-rips-out-all-of-wolverines-adamantium/
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Sep 8, 2014 03:20
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Not as gory as I thought. Thanks.
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Sep 8, 2014 03:26
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And to answer your other question, Magneto did it because Wolverine cut him. Why he didn't do that any of the other times they fought, I dunno; maybe he just got tired of Wolverine's poo poo.
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Sep 8, 2014 13:46
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If memory serves, the justification was that Magneto had essentially lost his mind on account of his powers overwhelming his sanity. This was the same crossover where he tore out Cable's cybernetics and did a worldwide EMP, after all, so he'd firmly gone off the deep end at that point. If Colossus hadn't been a member of the the Acolytes at the time (thanks to a head injury - no, really), I'm sure Magneto would have torn his skin off while he was at it. It's weird to realize that Wolverine would continue to be without his adamantium for another seven years, so it wasn't just a temporary switcheroo - it had a big impact on the character for a long time. Alien Rope Burn fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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Sep 8, 2014 14:05
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Alien Rope Burn posted:If memory serves, the justification was that Magneto had essentially lost his mind on account of his powers overwhelming his sanity. This was the same crossover where he tore out Cable's cybernetics and did a worldwide EMP, after all, so he'd firmly off the deep end at that point. If Colossus hadn't been a member of the the Acolytes at the time (thanks to a head injury - no, really), I'm sure Magneto would have torn his skin off while he was at it. He did not lose just his adamantium, he also lost his nose!
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Sep 8, 2014 14:06
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Alien Rope Burn posted:If memory serves, the justification was that Magneto had essentially lost his mind on account of his powers overwhelming his sanity. This was the same crossover where he tore out Cable's cybernetics and did a worldwide EMP, after all, so he'd firmly off the deep end at that point. If Colossus hadn't been a member of the the Acolytes at the time (thanks to a head injury - no, really), I'm sure Magneto would have torn his skin off while he was at it. God, was it really that long? I would have guessed 5, tops.
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Sep 8, 2014 14:08
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bobkatt013 posted:He did not lose just his adamantium, he also lost his nose! Comics Should Be Good did a great article on that. Mr. Maltose posted:God, was it really that long? I would have guessed 5, tops. It really stopped being a plot point for the character about five years into that period, so that's probably part of why they eventually returned him to form.
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Sep 8, 2014 14:26
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The idea that the adamantium poisoning constantly keeping his healing factor busy kept him from turning into Sabretooth always sounded really clever to me.
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Sep 8, 2014 14:42
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Aphrodite posted:The idea that the adamantium poisoning constantly keeping his healing factor busy kept him from turning into Sabretooth always sounded really clever to me. It's clever but it'd take a lot to convince me that "Wolverine is a hero because of a chemical imbalance" is really a great place to take the character.
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Sep 8, 2014 15:20
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Speaking of, how much have they backed away from the tortuous "Romulus" stuff they were doing in Wolverine's solo titles forever?
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Sep 8, 2014 15:48
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Romulus is in jail now and hasn't cropped up in the past two years or so. Presumably he will be back when they need a character to stand around in shadows and say ambiguous nonsense that will never be resolved.
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Sep 8, 2014 16:09
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Not sure what thread to post this question in but what do I do if one of my Marvel books doesn't have the digital copy code in it but should? The peel away sticker bit just isn't there.
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Sep 8, 2014 17:20
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Contact Marvel, I guess? Or maybe take it back to the store and see if they'll swap it out.
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Sep 8, 2014 17:25
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Marvel will fix it for you, but it might take a couple of weeks before they get around to it. If your shop exchanges it for you, it will be less painful.
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Sep 8, 2014 17:33
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Alien Rope Burn posted:If memory serves, the justification was that Magneto had essentially lost his mind on account of his powers overwhelming his sanity. This was the same crossover where he tore out Cable's cybernetics and did a worldwide EMP, after all, so he'd firmly gone off the deep end at that point. If Colossus hadn't been a member of the the Acolytes at the time (thanks to a head injury - no, really), I'm sure Magneto would have torn his skin off while he was at it. I've never really thought of it before but does Colossus just turn his skin into metal or is it his entire body?
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Sep 8, 2014 17:48
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muscles like this? posted:I've never really thought of it before but does Colossus just turn his skin into metal or is it his entire body? The classic definition was that he could turn his skin metal. But that doesn't jibe, because he could always turn his hair and eyes metal as well. On top of that, he'd have to be strong enough to lift and move his steel skin with his everyday muscles. More likely, he can turn his whole body into "organic steel" where he gains the properties of metal, for better or worse.
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Sep 8, 2014 21:11
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Comics Should Be Good did a great article on that. Oh, weird. I knew he went feral during that time, but I didn't know it meant he was literally a caveman monster. I guess that explains a bit about the way Bone Claws Wolverine is usually written off as a dumb period of his life.
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Sep 8, 2014 21:19
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muscles like this? posted:I've never really thought of it before but does Colossus just turn his skin into metal or is it his entire body? Alien Rope Burn posted:It's weird to realize that Wolverine would continue to be without his adamantium for another seven years, so it wasn't just a temporary switcheroo - it had a big impact on the character for a long time. Though, it was pretty neat to see a bone-claw Wolverine as a player in MvsC2
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FilthyImp posted:the Organic Metal thing was touched on in Exiles (and I think in an X-men story proper) where someone with Colossus' power gets royally hosed up -- shredded internal organs and the like -- and is forced to remain shiny for weeks while the body mended itself. "Like an elephant stepping on a bag of chips" as Dr. Strange put it.
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Sep 9, 2014 20:30
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FilthyImp posted:Though, it was pretty neat to see a bone-claw Wolverine as a player in MvsC2 Which is a lot like Marvel vs DC with Thor's blue costume in preserving weird 90s versions of characters.
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Sep 9, 2014 20:40
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What's with the 90s palette swap characters like War Machine, US Agent and Vengeance anyway? Are there even more that just didn't take?
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Sep 9, 2014 20:53
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Tunderstrike and Scarlet Spider come to mind.
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Sep 9, 2014 20:58
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There was also Strange. Carnage is arguably 90s Venom, but he's managed to stick around.
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Sep 9, 2014 21:32
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Don't forget hero teams Force Works, Fantastic Force, and, arguably, X-Force. I think it was just an attempt to give people even more of what they theoretically kind of liked.
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Sep 9, 2014 21:50
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I'd count Vengeance (aka lets take ghost rider and 90s the absolute crap out of him). Edit: I somehow missed that he was mentioned in the original drat post.
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Sep 9, 2014 21:55
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Lurdiak posted:"Like an elephant stepping on a bag of chips" as Dr. Strange put it. He lost the use of his bedside manner in the car accident, also.
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Sep 9, 2014 22:06
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What's with the 90s palette swap characters like War Machine, US Agent and Vengeance anyway? Are there even more that just didn't take? Two things, really. One, there was an attitude during the nineties that many established characters were old-fashioned and needed to be jazzed up for a new decade. Characters were often replaced by younger and / or more ruthless versions (War Machine, US Agent, Scarlet Spider). Two, Venom was really, really, popular, and so characters started to get "dark mirror" versions fairly often (Moonshade, Evilhawk, Vengeance). Even Venom got his own "dark mirror" over and over and over, though only one stuck (Carnage). It basically played to the adolescent desire to have old heroes be replaced with more "grown-up" versions that stabbed people in the mouth or flung villains down elevator shafts, where "grown-up" is defined as "what a thirteen year old thinks is edgy and grown-up". It was also driven by the collector boom to create new "first appearances" to try and drive sales along the lines of that inanity, and also try and ape some of the early hot properties of that era. Cable's popular? How about Bishop?! How about Random?! Etc.
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Sep 9, 2014 22:09
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All the Superman replacements from the "Death and Return" era, perhaps? Superboy in particular, at least. Azrael too, I suppose.
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Metal Loaf posted:All the Superman replacements from the "Death and Return" era, perhaps? Superboy in particular, at least. Wasnt Azreals tenure as batman a deliberate "gently caress You" to people who wanted batman to be darker/edgier/ruthless/generally more 90s? Sort of "Here, this is what you are asking for, look how terrible and unbatman-ish it would be". I'm sure I read that somewhere.
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