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The tooltip in the Deathstroke fight is singularly useless. It admonishes you for countering before it's time to counter. But, like, most people aren't going to wait for... whatever it wants you to wait for. Slade comes at you with his poo poo a-swinging and goddamn if Y does not get pressed. I sure as poo poo did not ever intend to sit there and wait for the entire attack to go through just so I'd maybe get a thunderbolt of enlightenment over it. Given how handily he thumped me, his cringing reaction was pretty bizarre and out of place.
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Sep 19, 2014 04:04
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Jurgan posted:I do think it's odd that he's basically a boss version of the martial artists yet you fight him before you meet any martial artists. It seemed like it should have been the culmination, not the tutorial version. The way things build up in this game is by introducing more moves and enemy types which culminates in a big fight with as many different enemies as possible. I think just a souped up version of an enemy type wouldn't work very well that way. Another example is the Bane fight in Asylum. It was basically a tutorial for the titan enemies which are just another enemy type in the big fight at the end.
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Sep 19, 2014 04:31
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Discendo Vox posted:I appreciate that. I am saying that my understanding of the Deathstroke fight isn't based on "players are stupid", but that a disproportionate amount of the discussion among AO players, outside of SA, during the period after release, consisted of people not understanding how counters worked in the Deathstroke fight. I'm not beginning from the point that players are dumb, I'm beginning from the point that players missed that part of what the fight was supposed to teach, so that part of its design didn't work. lol
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Sep 19, 2014 04:31
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Sep 19, 2014 04:38
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My playthrough of Origins was on Hard with counter icons turned off. The Deathstroke fight was rather confusing, I ended up having to use the quickfire Batclaw as well.
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Sep 19, 2014 05:39
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:The tooltip in the Deathstroke fight is singularly useless. It admonishes you for countering before it's time to counter. But, like, most people aren't going to wait for... whatever it wants you to wait for. Slade comes at you with his poo poo a-swinging and goddamn if Y does not get pressed. I sure as poo poo did not ever intend to sit there and wait for the entire attack to go through just so I'd maybe get a thunderbolt of enlightenment over it. My initial reaction was to hit counter, when that didn't work I figured that since this wasn't working I'd have to try something else, so at first I tried to just pummel my way through him which also got my rear end kicked. That's when I figured it had to be a timing issue (or that there was something incredibly obvious I was missing OR the game was bugged) so I decided to vary when during his attacks I used the counter button. Some started working so it clicked for me that I just had to figure out the optimal point to counter, and that going too soon or too late was going to get me bopped on the nose with a bo staff. Once I had that figured out, I had the freedom to experiment with gadgets because I knew if worse came to worse I actually COULD block. Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Given how handily he thumped me, his cringing reaction was pretty bizarre and out of place. First time I actually beat him I only had a small amount of health left, but that made it work just as well for me. Deathstroke had pretty much just beaten seven shades of poo poo out of Batman and not only was he still standing, but Slade himself was getting exhausted and couldn't keep up while Batman just kept. on. coming. 
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Sep 19, 2014 05:52
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Jerusalem posted:First time I actually beat him I only had a small amount of health left, but that made it work just as well for me. Deathstroke had pretty much just beaten seven shades of poo poo out of Batman and not only was he still standing, but Slade himself was getting exchausted and couldn't keep up while Batman just kept. on. coming. Yeah, intentional or not his final line makes sense no matter how the fight plays out - especially given Slade is biologically engineered to be superior to others. He's also got a ton of dialogue during the fight itself, AFAIK. I know he's taken the piss out of for me for attacking too often, gotten confused when I don't instantly counter, angry if I just go on the defensive without being touched, etc etc.
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Sep 19, 2014 12:37
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Just counter at the right time for Deathstroke, do it too soon and you get hit. It was just as easy on new game plus because when he slows down in the animation, that's when you counter. When he uses the claw on an explosive barrel, you counter as if a henchmen is throwing one at you. It's really that simple. It's the presentation of it why people like the fight because it feels like frantic.
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Sep 19, 2014 13:38
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Fargin Icehole posted:It's really that simple. It's the presentation of it why people like the fight because it feels like frantic. Not to mention Slade is easily the most intimidating person you've met all night up to that point, and continues to be until you meet Joker and Bane. Yeah Croc was scary, but dumb as a brick, I never really felt intimidated by him in the entire fight. Slade though? Slade is tough, ruthless, and worst of all, smart. He chose an arena that would best benefit him (wide open, flat, and with portable explosives laying around for his little trick), he knows to hop out of your punches if you get too aggressive, hell he even has backup weapons because he knows Batman may very well just break several of his. You can't even say he made a mistake fighting Batman. At this point, nobody knows what Bats is capable of. By the line at the end of the fight, it's blatantly clear Slade had never fought anyone like Batman before, so he had every right to be cocky and overestimate himself at first. It's a shame that Bane was the recurring boss and not Deathstroke. I would have loved another fight where Deathstroke learned his lesson and doesn't hold back at ALL, yet STILL gets beat because Batman is a loving beast.
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Sep 19, 2014 13:49
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kalonZombie posted:Not to mention Slade is easily the most intimidating person you've met all night up to that point, and continues to be until you meet Joker and Bane. Yeah Croc was scary, but dumb as a brick, I never really felt intimidated by him in the entire fight. Slade though? Slade is tough, ruthless, and worst of all, smart. He chose an arena that would best benefit him (wide open, flat, and with portable explosives laying around for his little trick), he knows to hop out of your punches if you get too aggressive, hell he even has backup weapons because he knows Batman may very well just break several of his. You can't even say he made a mistake fighting Batman. At this point, nobody knows what Bats is capable of. By the line at the end of the fight, it's blatantly clear Slade had never fought anyone like Batman before, so he had every right to be cocky and overestimate himself at first. If he was the recurring boss, the final encounter would've been like the Mister Freeze fight, a trick only works once.
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Sep 19, 2014 14:10
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kalonZombie posted:It's a shame that Bane was the recurring boss and not Deathstroke. I would have loved another fight where Deathstroke learned his lesson and doesn't hold back at ALL, yet STILL gets beat because Batman is a loving beast. Azubah posted:If he was the recurring boss, the final encounter would've been like the Mister Freeze fight, a trick only works once.
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Sep 19, 2014 14:43
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So I'm finally playing Arkham Origins like I play the other Arkham games instead of a big dumb diaper baby who only punches and counters, and I'm using the quick gadgets. Wow, concussion grenades SUCK. Like, they're not just useless, they're actively detrimental. Who thought that giving Batman a quickfire gadget that makes enemy movement patterns erratic and a shorter, more random counter window a good idea? Please give me back my REC gun. I miss my REC gun.
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Sep 19, 2014 15:44
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poptart_fairy posted:Yeah, intentional or not his final line makes sense no matter how the fight plays out - especially given Slade is biologically engineered to be superior to others. Personally, his line didn't do much for me; it just felt copied from Asylum. I was super stoked when Scarecrow said it in the first game where you take enough fear toxin to drop an elephant and still kick ten kinds of rear end while tripping balls. That seemed more like it would warrant that kind of line and Crow's VA sold it better: you could hear his confusion and fear even through the character's voice modulation. dscruffy1 posted:My experience with the concussion grenades is that they were only really good when they got power quickfired. Instant explosion. Otherwise they were very solidly meh. Personaly, I never use them, not even to round out the gadget-bonus. They're almost a negative power-up in that they actively make it more likely you'll drop your counter from getting randomly popped in the head. Canemacar fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Sep 19, 2014 |
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Sep 19, 2014 15:46
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My experience with the concussion grenades is that they were only really good when they got power quickfired. Instant explosion. Otherwise they were very solidly meh.
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Sep 19, 2014 15:46
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kalonZombie posted:So I'm finally playing Arkham Origins like I play the other Arkham games instead of a big dumb diaper baby who only punches and counters, and I'm using the quick gadgets. Yeah, the Concussion Grenades straight-up suck. The only viable way to use them is in Power mode.
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Sep 19, 2014 15:49
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, the Concussion Grenades straight-up suck. The only viable way to use them is in Power mode. Did the version of Knight you played have any gadgets that bad, or did they not include any quickfire gadgets aside from batarang and claw?
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Sep 19, 2014 15:52
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The glue grenade is my favourite Origins gadget. "What the hell is this?! This is disgusting!"  Oh, and the heavy reel is pretty sweet. I like being able to remove three mooks from the room right off the top.
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Sep 19, 2014 15:56
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kalonZombie posted:Did the version of Knight you played have any gadgets that bad, or did they not include any quickfire gadgets aside from batarang and claw? Didn't have any gadgets but the usual ones, unfortunately. They were mostly showing off the batmobile and the new environmental stuff.
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Sep 19, 2014 15:57
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Oh, and the heavy reel is pretty sweet. I like being able to remove three mooks from the room right off the top.
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Sep 19, 2014 15:59
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It made a bunch of predator stuff really easy, but it was a lot of fun. I don't mind that. I'm terrible at predator segments. Straight up removing three dudes is a breath of fresh air.
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Sep 19, 2014 16:00
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I got some use out of concussion grenades in that big police station fight that they tell you to skip since the enemies are all packed up close enough that they end up punching each other. Even then though explosive gel probably would been more useful.
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Sep 19, 2014 16:03
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Sleepy Owl posted:I got some use out of concussion grenades in that big police station fight that they tell you to skip since the enemies are all packed up close enough that they end up punching each other. Even then though explosive gel probably would been more useful. Wait, you can actually fight those guys? I've never tried it.
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Sep 19, 2014 16:06
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Yep- both in the SWAT meeting room, and the server room. Nothing special happens, though.
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Sep 19, 2014 16:09
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Discendo Vox posted:Yep- both in the SWAT meeting room, and the server room. Nothing special happens, though. Missed opportunity. Should have given you an achievement or at least a comment from Alfred. I mean, they're talking about going after your bounty themselves, and Bat's even says "I shouldn't attack them right now." How could you not immediately drop down and introduce yourself?
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Sep 19, 2014 16:20
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Isn't Branden in there, too? You'd at least think he'd have something to say later if you kick his rear end more times then the game forces you to.
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Sep 19, 2014 16:50
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I heard Origins was really buggy and not that good. I liked the first two games, is this new one worth the $7.50 it's going for at the Steam sale?
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Sep 19, 2014 16:56
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Yes, but not at any higher price.
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Sep 19, 2014 16:58
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DoctorStrangelove posted:I heard Origins was really buggy and not that good. I liked the first two games, is this new one worth the $7.50 it's going for at the Steam sale? It has a better story than City's and it is pretty stable, so yes it is a good value. The Season Pass is also worth it if you enjoy Mr. Freeze stories.
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DoctorStrangelove posted:I heard Origins was really buggy and not that good. I liked the first two games, is this new one worth the $7.50 it's going for at the Steam sale? Yes, it's a fine game. It's a bit jankier than City but it has a lot of strong moments and most of the major bugs have been patched. It's really not bad at all, a lot of the negativity is (justified) annoyance over poor PC support and the usual internet hyperbole.
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DoctorStrangelove posted:I heard Origins was really buggy and not that good. I liked the first two games, is this new one worth the $7.50 it's going for at the Steam sale? At $7.50, it's worth it, yeah. It's a legitimately good game, it's just not quite up to par with Rocksteady's work. And concussion grenades are loving horrible. They don't even make sense story-wise since the entire reason you're given them is so that you can avoid hurting cops - except you can't take somebody out with just a concussion grenade. You still have to get in there and break a few limbs.
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Sep 19, 2014 17:04
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Is the ending as bad as Arkham City's? Because that was a really, really bad ending.
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Sep 19, 2014 17:14
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DoctorStrangelove posted:Is the ending as bad as Arkham City's? Because that was a really, really bad ending. It's pretty much a generic Batman ending.
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Sep 19, 2014 17:15
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DoctorStrangelove posted:Is the ending as bad as Arkham City's? Because that was a really, really bad ending. No.
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Sep 19, 2014 17:16
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The boss gauntlet at the end did get a little tiresome.
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DoctorStrangelove posted:Is the ending as bad as Arkham City's? Because that was a really, really bad ending. Pretty much what you'd expect it to be. It's named Origins and at the end Batman is done originating and is Batman. I kinda agree about the ending to City. I liked the original set up and was looking forward to fighting an unhinged Dr. Strange dressed in a discount Batman suit atop Wonder Tower, then it just pulled a complete left turn. I think it probably suffered some last minute re-writes to accommodate the Joker's storyline, possibly to get Hamil back on board for one last go around.
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Huh. So that's the end of Enigma, huh? Blindingly obvious that he was Riddler, but I collect all his poo poo, ruin all his plans, and he doesn't even have a final snarky message for me? That's a serious letdown. 
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I don't think it was supposed to be a secret that he was the Riddler, he just hadn't come up with the name yet. It was definitely a let down though. Speaking of let downs, I caved and bought the season pass since it was on Steam sale. I promised myself I wouldn't buy any DLC from them since I was still pissed about the bugs but I want to play Cold, Cold Heart so badly. 
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Huh. So that's the end of Enigma, huh? Blindingly obvious that he was Riddler, but I collect all his poo poo, ruin all his plans, and he doesn't even have a final snarky message for me? That's a serious letdown. Well, if it's any consolation, years later you get him arrested and then punch him in the face.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Huh. So that's the end of Enigma, huh? Blindingly obvious that he was Riddler, but I collect all his poo poo, ruin all his plans, and he doesn't even have a final snarky message for me? That's a serious letdown. He should've told you that he had a major secret when you go to his lair. It's not revealed what that is until the end of the Mr. Freeze DLC, though.
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