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syntaxrigger posted:"I do not want to see the light." - Linus Torvalds 2014 of course he owns a sword
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it's kinda funny how it looks like he's grimacing all the time in that video
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Sep 19, 2014 00:44
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Symbolic Butt posted:it's kinda funny how it looks like he's grimacing all the time in that video if you had to spend so much time organizing kernel developers, you'd grimace, too
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Sep 19, 2014 11:08
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I wanted to do some linux computering today sudo apt-get install qt-sdk to make a desktop application for linux (lol) but I get these 404 errors about raring-security not found or some poo poo. so I guess my linux mint cinnamon went stale and I have to upgrade?? so I can't even install new software on this thing or what. and then google says oh just type apt-get dist-upgrade but nope that has the same errors. please tell me how bad I am at linux, and where I screwed up. right now I'm running rsync to backup this machine, then I'll just install stock debian and never install a fancy desktop for linux ever again
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Sep 20, 2014 22:02
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Ator posted:I wanted to do some linux computering today you probably just need to do "apt-get update" to refresh the package lists. but yes, installing regular debian is a good idea. the QT SDK is probably not part of the "supported" package set in ubuntu, so you'll end up with a two? three? four? year old version linking against unexpected things p.s. use tar for backups, not rsync p.p.s. just back up /home, you probably don't want anything else
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Sep 20, 2014 22:05
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you probably just need to do "apt-get update" to refresh the package lists. exact same raring-security/main amd 64 404 not found bullshit edit: I can't paste it because this is my windows machine
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Sep 20, 2014 22:08
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Ator posted:exact same raring-security/main amd 64 404 not found bullshit time to switch to real debian, then ubuntu is not really supportable, it's just a mess.
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Sep 20, 2014 22:09
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:time to switch to real debian, then
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Sep 20, 2014 22:22
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:time to switch to fedora or centos, then
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Sep 20, 2014 23:47
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Ator posted:please tell me how bad I am at linux 
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Sep 20, 2014 23:58
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Sep 21, 2014 00:00
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Debian is really bad. They don't give you a login shell for your X session so /etc/profile just doesn't work.
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Sep 21, 2014 00:30
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Suspicious Dish posted:Debian is really bad. They don't give you a login shell for your X session so /etc/profile just doesn't work. who the gently caress runs X that's idiot poo poo, debian belongs on a headless box somewhere not on your desktop son
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Sep 21, 2014 00:55
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Sniep posted:who the gently caress runs X that's idiot poo poo, debian belongs on a headless box somewhere not on your desktop son But it's the year of the Linux desktop?
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Sep 21, 2014 01:20
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Suspicious Dish posted:But it's the year of the Linux desktop? forever and ever
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Sep 21, 2014 01:22
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n+1 year of linux on the desktop!
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Sep 21, 2014 01:23
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:time to switch to real debian, then aren't their more apps for ubuntu tho? ugh i hate religious wars just give me some facts dammit
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Sep 21, 2014 01:31
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syntaxrigger posted:aren't their more apps for ubuntu tho? It will be a combo of Ubuntu having more commercial supported apps and Debian having more F/OSS supported apps. Pretty unlucky to find something that works on one and not the other though.
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Sep 21, 2014 01:51
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Fresh install is working great. also: du and df have an option: -h, --human-readable print sizes in human readable format It's off by default.
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Sep 21, 2014 02:27
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Ator posted:Fresh install is working great. turning that on by default can theoretically break shell scripts that parse their output; stick BLOCK_SIZE=human-readable in your environment and all the GNU utilities will default to it
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Sep 21, 2014 02:35
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Because the best way to program is to plug together utilities that output text meant for human consumption. it's the Unix philosophy after all.
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Sep 21, 2014 02:49
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whoops my error message is now an API contract
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Sep 21, 2014 02:50
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Ator posted:I wanted to do some linux computering today Ubuntu had more supported software than Debian fwiw, oss included
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Sep 21, 2014 07:41
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420 blaze it vote wu tang
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Sep 21, 2014 07:53
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Ator posted:please tell me how bad I am at linux, and where I screwed up. here's where you screwed up Ator posted:to make a desktop application for linux (lol) or maybe here Ator posted:linux get a Mac or use Haiku
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Sep 21, 2014 08:24
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if you want to make a desktop app for linux then you should use java, so your app will also run on every other os without any porting or even recompiling.
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Sep 21, 2014 08:57
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Soricidus posted:if you want to make a desktop app for linux then you should use java, so your app will also run like total poo poo on every other os without any porting or even recompiling. (i have to run linux on the desktop at work. the only thing worse than native linux software is java software)
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Sep 21, 2014 10:30
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Take a bunch of Linux software Then get some middlemen to add an installation script to it and delay its release to users by six months (Debian) Then get some incompetent middlemen to gently caress things up, hack random bits of desktop code to make it more "user friendly" (based on no user feedback whatsoever) and also replace key system components for political reasons (Ubuntu) Then gently caress it up some more and replace the desktop shell with some homegrown thing (Mint) Don't use Ubuntu or any of its derivatives.
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Sep 21, 2014 10:44
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BobHoward posted:(i have to run linux on the desktop at work. the only thing worse than native linux software is java software)
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Sep 21, 2014 11:17
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Soricidus posted:sorry about your bad software, I hope it gets better. you're probably using an obsolete jre or a stupidly small heap though, java 8 is really fast with anything not written by clowns so maybe try that? yes let me use fresh untested unsupported incompatible software out of oracle like a clown
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Sep 21, 2014 17:05
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Soricidus posted:sorry about your bad software, I hope it gets better. you're probably using an obsolete jre or a stupidly small heap though, java 8 is really fast with anything not written by clowns so maybe try that? lol yes, java is actually really quite good, but only if you use it this way. you see, you were holding it wrong
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Sep 21, 2014 17:09
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anyone have any linux terminal emulator suggestions?
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Sep 21, 2014 17:40
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ShadowHawk posted:Ubuntu had more supported software than Debian fwiw, oss included this is complete nonsense
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Sep 21, 2014 17:56
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syntaxrigger posted:aren't their more apps for ubuntu tho? i am working on an effort post because i looked at my earlier posts in this thread, and while they allude to the problem, they don't go into detail
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Sep 21, 2014 17:56
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The problem with Ubuntu isn't a matter of taste. It's not that I don't like Unity, or I have bad feelings about Shuttleworth, or that the logo doesn't agree with me. It's much more fundamental: The Ubuntu model for development is broken. Ubuntu periodically forks Debian's "Unstable" tree (Debian's rolling release). Canonical, inc. works from that snapshot for six months, and then publishes a Ubuntu release. Inside that Ubuntu release, there is a core of Canonical-supported packages. Canonical accepts bug reports for these packages. These packages receive updates for the supported lifetime of the release. Ubuntu's "core" is supported much the way that Debian or CentOS is. The problem is that this core is only a fraction of the packages on the system. Ubuntu 14.04, the latest "long term support" release, contains 44378 packages. Only 8751 of them are in the supported part. The rest of the packages go into a separate repository, "Universe." The packages in Universe, the missing 35 thousand packages, are six months old on release day. They've gone six months without updates or security patches. By the end of the release cycle, they're five and a half years out of date. -- Shadowhawk will doubtlessly point out that a legion of unpaid, untrained, unorganized volunteers can "maintain" packages in universe. But it's completely optional. Any given package might be untouched (bad), get backported security updates (good), be updated religiously from upstream (really bad), or replaced with something completely different from debian (really, really bad). There's no release management process. There are no guarantees about what you find in Universe. It's totally up to the kindness of individual strangers. Universe and Launchpad.net are sources of "works on my machine" issues and security holes. And that is all I have to say about that. -- Of course, all this peril can be avoided if you don't enable the "Universe" repositories. If you restrict yourself to the core and update repos, you should have no problems. In that case, Ubuntu could be just fine. Now let's try to use it. I'd like to build a ruby application. Whoops. There's no bundler. That was part of Universe. Python? Oops. No pypi and no virtualenv. Those are also stuck in Universe. Java? Sorry. Maven was also part of Universe. Perl? Nope, no mod_perl2. PHP? Actually, PHP works fine with only core. All the necessary bits are supported. I can say without any trace of sarcasm that Ubuntu is 100% totally suitable to hosting PHP applications. Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Sep 21, 2014 |
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Sep 21, 2014 18:18
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syntaxrigger posted:anyone have any linux terminal emulator suggestions? konsole yakuake
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Sep 21, 2014 18:21
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terminator is aight even if you aren't using the multi-panel stuff
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syntaxrigger posted:anyone have any linux terminal emulator suggestions? xterm, what else would you use? if you want something nice don't use Linux or X.
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