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God, they lumbered Stevie Richards with them in a manager role didn't they? Poor guy, couldn't they just let him wrestle? He'd have shown us, we'd have seen.
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Madtrixr posted:Yeah their name is Kronik but theres NOTHING that they did that said "I smoke weed" other than their finisher being High Times or whatever, also they were mercenaries at one point or another? Yeah at one point in time they were an APA ripoff.
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AmbassadorFriendly posted:Yeah at one point in time they were an APA ripoff. When weren't they an APA rip off?
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bobkatt013 posted:When weren't they an APA rip off? I guess I wouldn't know, I tried to avoid watching Kronik.
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AmbassadorFriendly posted:I guess I wouldn't know, I tried to avoid watching Kronik. You should have watched WCW
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IronCladBurrito posted:They tried to address it one time in a backstage skit. These... guys, I don't know (it's been a long time) were talking, and then someone slid a piece of paper under the door. They picked it up and read it aloud: "It's 4:19, got a minute?" And then kronik came in and started beating up everyone.
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From a CM Punk is overrated threadquote:I'm saying it.
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I'm not seeing anything outrageous or unreasonable there. Punk was sloppy as a worker.
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Yuriy posted:I'm not seeing anything outrageous or unreasonable there.
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Sep 21, 2014 20:49
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People definitely overrate him in-ring, but he's way better than 'well he's better than Hogan, Sid, Nash, and Khali' Assuming that guy is going by WWE world champions, that's kind of an absurd statement.
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Maybe a bit of hyperbole there but I don't think the guy is all that wrong  If his point is that Punk is overrated and nowhere close to the best in the world then I don't disagree and had they given any one else decent the pipebomb promo I think it'd have worked just as well
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Well I mean Punk is pretty overrated but Punk was also the poster child for 'smarks' or whatever other term you wanna use and, y'know, MiTB was near Chicago. Those two things are why the angle worked. I don't think you could just plaster the promo onto someone else and have that moment still work. EDIT: I thought it was In Chicago. Instead it was In the General Vicinity of Chicago. Point stands though.
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Sep 21, 2014 21:43
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Plus Punk has the conviction on the mic to pull it off. You could technically give it to someone like Ziggler now who can have similar grievances, but no one could sell it to both fans who are into the insider poo poo and casual fans without coming off like an annoying "no, THIS is actually a shoot, brother!" promo. Also, Punk may have been sloppy, but the dude was amazing at storytelling in the ring and to brush it off as "well other people can probably do it" is pretty disingenuous.
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Endorph posted:EDIT: I thought it was In Chicago. Instead it was In the General Vicinity of Chicago. Point stands though. It's in Cook County, so it's really the Chicago area. I lived near Shed Aquarium at the time and my friends and I took public transport to get there for the show.
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Breaking news wrestler nicknames not always truthful more on this story as it develops
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Yuriy posted:Maybe a bit of hyperbole there but I don't think the guy is all that wrong the guy was basically saying "yeah punk was good on the mic but ANYONE can be good on the mic and yeah he was good at psychology but ANYONE can be good at that" and if you think that's hyperbole and not batshit crazy i don't know what to say. pipe bomb promo aside..look at his work with the ses society and the jeff hardy feud and tell me just anyone on the roster can cut those promos, regardless if those are really "classic" angles or not. punk is overrated sometimes like lots of internet idols but nothing about his work, for almost all of his career, could be considered anything near "oh any other guy could work".
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flashy_mcflash posted:No one on earth was smoking more weed than me in the late 90's and I still hated Kronik. I think it's because they had what should've been a stoner gimmick with no indication of that in their actual characters at all. Their promos were wall to wall weed puns.
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Punk didn't have a ton of athleticism but he makes up for it in selling, psychology and having tons of babyface fire.
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MassRafTer posted:Punk didn't have a ton of athleticism but he makes up for it in selling, psychology and having tons of babyface fire. Randy Orton is the master of babyface fire.
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Shine posted:Randy Orton is the master of babyface fire. I see your Orton and raise you a Cena http://youtu.be/FNF5LFkcuMc
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Under the vegetable posted:Their promos were wall to wall weed puns. That's what I mean, that was the beginning and end of the gimmick. At least I believed that RVD was high all the time (because he was).
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oatgan posted:I see your Orton and raise you a Cena http://youtu.be/FNF5LFkcuMc Didn't someone make a sitcom end credits gif with that?
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cm punk is one of the greatest of all time and i will not hear otherwise
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Cardboard Box posted:cm punk is one of the greatest of all time and i will not hear otherwise He's not even in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame you mark
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The argument that anyone could get a reaction with the pipe bomb promo is absurd because Punk came up with the promo. He wasn't handed the script; they were his words. That's like saying that the Rolling Stones weren't that great because anybody could have played "Satisfaction" and people would have liked it. It discounts the fact that the end product was the direct result of Punk's creative output.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:The argument that anyone could get a reaction with the pipe bomb promo is absurd because Punk came up with the promo. He wasn't handed the script; they were his words. That's like saying that the Rolling Stones weren't that great because anybody could have played "Satisfaction" and people would have liked it. It discounts the fact that the end product was the direct result of Punk's creative output. No but you see, CM Punk walked out on WWE, therefore he sucks and has always sucked. 
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oatgan posted:He's not even in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame you mark Uh he actually is in the S.H.I.T.H.O.U.S.E , The only legit HOF please pay attention to your own show
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I was trying to see what Molly Holly was up to these days and a quick Google sent me down an insane rabbit hole. http://wwemollyholly.blogspot.com/ http://arrestnoragreenwald.blogspot.com/ http://teamcunt.blogspot.com/ http://knowthetruthng.blogspot.com/ https://twitter.com/MollyHollyCUNT I think this is one person who has been posting these things for, like, five years now.
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Little Mac posted:I was trying to see what Molly Holly was up to these days and a quick Google sent me down an insane rabbit hole. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC69EE47098BEF01C 
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Little Mac posted:I was trying to see what Molly Holly was up to these days and a quick Google sent me down an insane rabbit hole. Gonna need to get the name MOLLY HOLLY CULTIST SCAM
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I am surprised this wasn't actually a Natalya theme from a few years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MImIDgxU-h0 DM Punk fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Sep 27, 2014 |
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Every once in a while I read Wrestlecrap because I like the current main writer guy Art O'Donnell as opposed to RD Reynolds, whose heart is in the right place, but his writing tends to be lame. So I stumbled upon an induction he wrote about Vince McMahon and Eric Bischoff hugging when Bischoff debuted in WWE. It came up in the Death of WCW book, saying that Vince hugging Bischoff was the same as burning a bunch of money. It seemed reasonable reading it there, but now I'm looking at this article where Reynolds is honed in on it a bit much and now I'm starting to wonder what the big problem is. Okay, so Vince vs. Bischoff was the real rivalry during the Monday Night War. I get that. But would an after-the-fact feud between the two really amount to anything and be worth our time? Maybe in a vacuum, but we've already just suffered through the InVasion and the nWo. Would we really want another round of that? Another Vince-centric storyline where the wrestlers are in the background? Reynolds' argument is that with Bischoff they could have doubled-down on the InVasion and... yeah, that's making me realize that I'm totally okay with them just sidestepping that and moving on.
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Molly Holly randomly paid for Beth Phoenix to go to wrestling school out of her own pocket, as a way of paying it forward, after having met her once for like ten minutes at a convention. Molly Holly is a saint, is what I'm saying, and that makes this all way more confusing.
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TheJoker138 posted:Molly Holly randomly paid for Beth Phoenix to go to wrestling school out of her own pocket, as a way of paying it forward, after having met her once for like ten minutes at a convention. Molly Holly is a saint, is what I'm saying, and that makes this all way more confusing. And now Edge and Beth Phoenix have made what will become the greatest wrestler ever.
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TheJoker138 posted:Molly Holly randomly paid for Beth Phoenix to go to wrestling school out of her own pocket, as a way of paying it forward, after having met her once for like ten minutes at a convention. Molly Holly is a saint, is what I'm saying, and that makes this all way more confusing. Molly Holly is so nice that even New Jack likes her. She's like Bobby Eaton levels of nice. I have no idea what this guy's problem is. EDIT: VVVV This is an excellent theory. VVVV AmbassadorFriendly fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Sep 28, 2014 |
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AmbassadorFriendly posted:Molly Holly is so nice that even New Jack likes her. She's like Bobby Eaton levels of nice. I have no idea what this guy's problem is.
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I feel like I want to file for a restraining order against this guy on her behalf. But she's probably gone and done that.
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Gavok posted:Every once in a while I read Wrestlecrap because I like the current main writer guy Art O'Donnell as opposed to RD Reynolds, whose heart is in the right place, but his writing tends to be lame. So I stumbled upon an induction he wrote about Vince McMahon and Eric Bischoff hugging when Bischoff debuted in WWE. It would've been heat though, and heat usually means money. I mean WWE handled everything poorly around that time, but they could've handled the Bischoff thing in a way that would've worked. Instead it sort of pretends it didn't really happen. It would've been an after the fact feud, but it was one that a lot of fans would've known was based in reality. It wasn't even a thing for smart fans either. People knew who Bischoff was and where he came from. I think that him walking on stage and slapping Vince instead of hugging him probably wouldn't have worked, but if they injected him into things earlier on and made it part of the invasion? Then I could see it working.
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DrVenkman posted:but if they injected him into things earlier on and made it part of the invasion? Then I could see it working. This is pretty much the entire problem with the invasion. They didn't want to pay big money for the big guys, from Bishoff to Goldberg, so none of it worked.
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When Bischoff first came into WWE, I thought he'd gradually turn Raw into Nitro until Vince got sick of it and they feuded. It's almost like they started going that way, when they moved the announce table back to the entranceway, but that was really it. I don't think the hug itself was the problem, it's that they never built off it in any way. The problem with Bischoff is that he rapidly became just another heel authority figure, despite the fact that he was doing some of the best character work of his career.
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