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1gnoirents posted:I know I'm explaining this poorly but I've never seen a benefit to letting fps soar way above your refresh, except in games where it doesn't matter either way (some less graphically intense games) Naively coded engines often have physics tied to framerate, which can lead to unusual effects. Quake 3 and its derivatives literally let you jump higher at specific framerates, but more recent games also have issues. Skyrim will go nuts if you disable v-sync.
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I'm considering a 980 for my primary desktop, which is also Hackintosh'd, and apparently 980s work with the latest NVidia web drivers for Yosemite PB3 or DP8, but 970s don't. Awaiting more info on that front before I commit to a purchase.
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NickBlasta posted:I've had my 970 in for a day now (EVGA SC, blower cooler) and it's great. I did get some coil whine playing an older game but it's quieter than the coil whine on my 560ti. If it's anything like the coil whine on the 780TIs, it's framerate related. I only get it when things are generating absurdly high framerates (like 2000 fps). Turning on Vsync or using a frame limiter makes it stop. I first noticed it in the 3dmark test since that one generates very high framerates using the demo version.
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I can barely hear it and I have only a couple low-rpm case fans so I don't really see how it's an issue.
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isndl posted:Naively coded engines often have physics tied to framerate, which can lead to unusual effects. Quake 3 and its derivatives literally let you jump higher at specific framerates, but more recent games also have issues. Skyrim will go nuts if you disable v-sync. I wonder if they patched that in some way because I leave VSync off because ~*~my input lag~*~ and I don't have physics explosions or anything. ...and yes I'm getting 60+ fps most of the time 
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I didn't notice any physics issues changing cells when I played it recently either with vsync off, so there might have been some kind of patch for it. Then again it never was as bad as in Oblivion where you'd have plate explosions constantly so maybe I just missed it.
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Has anyone reputable done a 970 SLI vs. single 980 benchmark comparison yet?viewtyjoe posted:AMD is supposedly announcing something on the 25th. Their tweet about it seems to indicate it's GPU related.  Doesn't seem like anyone actually has any evidence that it'll be on the 25th in particular, though, rather than just sometime soon. Ralith fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Ralith posted:Has anyone reputable done a 970 SLI vs. single 980 benchmark comparison yet? HalloKitty posted:
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Is it my imagination or does the EVGA "blower" type 970 not have vents in the side opposite the ports? That's got to be awful in SLI. I can't find an image in existence of the PNY version on that same side of the card, would anyone know if it's the same deal?
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drat this hype  ! Just ordered a Gigabyte 970 gtx and I don't even have the time to play games.
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Is it just me or is the 970 a marginally better 290? Looking through the benchmarks, there are a couple games where the 290 outperforms so it's not simply an across-the-board win for the 970, but the 970 currently has a lower street price (though it's sold out) for new models. I imagine the supply of 290/290Xs that were being dumped by Bitcoin miners in early summer has run out, so unless you're really budget constrained to $250 all-in for a used 290, there's literally no reason not to choose the 970 instead.
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Josh Lyman posted:Is it just me or is the 970 a marginally better 290? Lower cost, lower power consumption, often higher benchmarks than even a 290X. It's basically crapping on the 290 from all angles, with the minor exception of one: memory bandwidth. If you're gunning for very high resolutions, this can help. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Should probably just change the thread title to GPU Megathread - Buy a GTX 970
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HalloKitty posted:Lower cost, lower power consumption, often higher benchmarks than even a 290X. Even at 2560*1440 the 970 comes out ahead most of the time. It doesn't seem like the memory bandwidth is as limiting for this chip as it has been previously.
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Honestly I don't know why people say the EVGA cards are crazy loud, if anything my new card is significantly quieter than the EVGA 660 Ti it replaced, even under heavy load. Doesn't get a full 60FPS and maxed in certain games* though, and no SLI option since my motherboard actually only has one PCI-E slot. I had prepared my budget for computer upgrades around an 780 Ti anyway and was looking to find one when I found out about the 9xx series having been released so going with the 980 over the 970 was still savings on my end. *AC4 during ship combat with physx off and MSAA on it dips down a bit (With physx or TXAA on it drops like a rock into the 20-30 FPS range immediately), Dead Rising 3 with the framerate unlocked tends to float in the 40s and 50s but it's not exactly the best made game, Skyrim when in towns or near enough NPCs goes down to around 40-45 but is more playable than it used to be and stays around 55-60 in the wilderness, Metro 2033/Last Light Redux with AA 4x chugs down to like 20FPS but runs great with AA completely off at a solid 60, Battlefield 4 again if I turn extra poo poo like AA on it'll dip down into the 50s on larger maps/server limits but not generally enough to be noticable under normal gameplay conditions. Need to try some other demanding games but I've been busy today. That performance probably just down to some other architecture issue with my PC (Probably my CPU; chose poorly last upgrade, got an AMD FX-8350 instead of an Intel) rather than the card itself not being strong enough, though.
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Shima Honnou posted:Honestly I don't know why people say the EVGA cards are crazy loud, if anything my new card is significantly quieter than the EVGA 660 Ti it replaced, even under heavy load. Doesn't get a full 60FPS and maxed in certain games* though, and no SLI option since my motherboard actually only has one PCI-E slot. I had prepared my budget for computer upgrades around an 780 Ti anyway and was looking to find one when I found out about the 9xx series having been released so going with the 980 over the 970 was still savings on my end. Are you using one with the ACX cooler? Also I didn't see a mention of the resolution you were playing at?
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Hamburger Test posted:Even at 2560*1440 the 970 comes out ahead most of the time. It doesn't seem like the memory bandwidth is as limiting for this chip as it has been previously. Well, I'm talking more about 3840×2160, but the 970 is absolutely the card of the moment anyway.
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Skwee posted:Are you using one with the ACX cooler? Also I didn't see a mention of the resolution you were playing at? 1920x1080p. I think this is in the reference cooler, but I don't actually know what the ACX looks like; single fan, metal construction, got a window on the bottom.
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Shima Honnou posted:Honestly I don't know why people say the EVGA cards are crazy loud, if anything my new card is significantly quieter than the EVGA 660 Ti it replaced, even under heavy load. Doesn't get a full 60FPS and maxed in certain games* though, and no SLI option since my motherboard actually only has one PCI-E slot. I had prepared my budget for computer upgrades around an 780 Ti anyway and was looking to find one when I found out about the 9xx series having been released so going with the 980 over the 970 was still savings on my end. It is less that it is objectively loud, and more that it is louder than the reference models, and hence WAY louder than say, the MSI/ASUS/Gigabyte non-reference models. Objectively, it is still not a really loud card. Quieter than 290's and older generation cards, for sure.
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Shima Honnou posted:1920x1080p. I think this is in the reference cooler, but I don't actually know what the ACX looks like; single fan, metal construction, got a window on the bottom. ACX is the one people are saying is loud I think. It has 2 fans, black plastic.
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Skwee posted:ACX is the one people are saying is loud I think. It has 2 fans, black plastic. Yeah, mine is reference cooler then.
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Got my MSI 970 today.  Will get to over clicking the shut out of it on the weekend/running it through its paces.
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Guni posted:Got my MSI 970 today. don't click it to hard, it might break.
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Is anyone running a single 970 on 3440x1440 and can share some benchmarks? I've been toying with the idea of going 21:9, but 29"/2560x1080, while seemingly a nice fit for the GPU felt underwhelming in terms of screen size when I stood in front of it at a nearby store.
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Hot Jam posted:Should probably just change the thread title to GPU Megathread - Buy a GTX 970 $350 is still a lot of money, and the 960 is probably going to be very impressive as well.
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The Lord Bude posted:don't click it to hard, it might break. Heh, just ran a quick round of BF4 multiplayer on Lancang Dam. Results: Ultra @ 1440p - didn't dip below 55 (wasn't recording FPS, so this is what I noticed) and was normally above 60fps. Fans usage was about 40ish percent (couldn't even hear it over my H100i) and got to about 60C. This is @110% power limit, +100 core clock and +179 memory clock (literally just moved the slider to wherever) from factory. All in all, very happy with the results thus far.
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GreatGreen posted:With the GTX series, can you go into the GeForce control panel and set a hardware limit on the FPS the card will render? If the game or your settings is one that sometimes exceeds monitor refresh rate, you could try the Adaptive VSync setting in the Geforce drivers. It should make so that if the framerate is same as monitor refresh rate or higher, VSync is applied. When the framerate dips below refresh rate, VSync is disabled. Unfortunately it varies by the game if you need to enable VSync in-game for it to work(IIRC for Bioshock Infinity it had to be off but for Metro LL it had to be on or something) so you might need to check FPSs first(shadowplay/Geforce Experience does that too!)
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^^^ Cool, thanks! One more question, guys. So about a week ago I bought a GeForce 760. Luckily, my evaluation period is not over, so I'm just going to take it back to the store for a full refund. Also, I just placed an order for an MSI GTX 970 last night!  However, all the 760 drivers and whatever else are already installed on my computer. Am I going to need to uninstall those drivers before installing the 970 or will the drivers already work with the new card, meaning I can just plug it straight in and go when I get it? vvv Got it. Thanks! GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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You'll still get a display when you plug it in but you should uninstall GEForce experience, it'll ask to remove drivers with it, then reinstall it.
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Shima Honnou posted:Honestly I don't know why people say the EVGA cards are crazy loud, if anything my new card is significantly quieter than the EVGA 660 Ti it replaced, even under heavy load. Doesn't get a full 60FPS and maxed in certain games* though, and no SLI option since my motherboard actually only has one PCI-E slot. I had prepared my budget for computer upgrades around an 780 Ti anyway and was looking to find one when I found out about the 9xx series having been released so going with the 980 over the 970 was still savings on my end. And people are saying even the 970 is overkill for 1080p. P.S. Anyone know if that FX8xxx really is a bottleneck?
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Shima Honnou posted:Honestly I don't know why people say the EVGA cards are crazy loud, if anything my new card is significantly quieter than the EVGA 660 Ti it replaced, even under heavy load. Doesn't get a full 60FPS and maxed in certain games* though, and no SLI option since my motherboard actually only has one PCI-E slot. I had prepared my budget for computer upgrades around an 780 Ti anyway and was looking to find one when I found out about the 9xx series having been released so going with the 980 over the 970 was still savings on my end. For 1080p something seems wrong man. Things like metro with a 770 would still hit 50+ maxed out AA and all, and BF4 1080p I averaged 89 fps with a 1% time of 63 fps. Online, big maps, purposefully making it struggle. Max AA ultra everything except SSAA. (it was OC'd, but still, we're talking huge differences here)  Hell I got an average of 55 fps in 1440p with a single 770. Although it sucked because it'd dip to 30's frequently enough + stutters. edit: and I completely missed your CPU. its your cpu. test this by playing bf4 single player and see if there is a dramatic change in fps 1gnoirents fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Duck and burger posted:And people are saying even the 970 is overkill for 1080p. Depends on the game, but in some games it can do absolutely disgusting things to FPS compared to an i5. Especially minimum FPS for when the poor AMD really can't cope. Edit: Read this Anandtech page of benchmarks. Half average FPS on some benchmarks, a third of the minimum FPS. BurritoJustice fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Duck and burger posted:P.S. Anyone know if that FX8xxx really is a bottleneck? Yes. For gaming, you're better off with a $60 Intel than any AMD CPU. The AMDs are nice at edge cases like video transcoding and stuff that is perfectly multithreaded, but cannot compete at single threaded speed.
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The nostalgic per$ warm spot in my heart I had for AMD (like the unlockable $70 3-core, and phenom II BE) was completely erased once I played with the $100 Pentium combo. It was literally almost as good as my 4670k in games.
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Can someone with one of these and the ability to capture framerate do just that with something like one of the Metro games' benchmarks with PhysX off and PhysX on? I'm hoping that the scheduling and execution efficiency improvements will do the necessary heavy lifting to make it so that juggling workloads isn't so finicky, but then I think about how I don't think their memory compression for textures is going to do all that much to help with the conventional memory bottleneck for CUDA calculations. But I don't know and I'm not buying one just to find out, the 780Ti is playing Divinity: OS, Wasteland 2, and Defense Grid 2 just fine thank you, haha. Jeez, what a waste. Make fun of me if I buy a GTX 980  Edit: AMD users of course feel free to respond but unfortunately I don't think that'll tell us what we're looking for here since the per-thread is kind balls and that can cause minimum framerate dips just as easily when the right combo of wrong stuff happens. Hopefully this is significantly enough an Intel-favoring forum thanks to the value offered that we can see some more "definite" data points? Agreed fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Skwee posted:Really makes me want to RMA my evga 970 sc acx.. But that would cost me $65 (54 for restock and 11 for shipping) and I am not sure it is worth it to be essentially paying $410 + shipping for an MSI card instead of an evga card.. This is why I will no longer buy video cards through Newegg. gently caress restocking costs, and that assumes they even let you return the poo poo. Newegg has gone to poo poo in the last few years. Price gouging, no returns, etc.
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Yeah I've heard people have plenty of success returning actually broken poo poo and getting restocking waived with ease for pretty much anything, but if there is any time they're going to be dicks about that policy its probably going to be for this exact scenario. Restocking fees are lame, its hard to believe they still do it this day and age. They somehow dodge taxing me though so they continue to get my money if the price is right
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BurritoJustice posted:Depends on the game, but in some games it can do absolutely disgusting things to FPS compared to an i5. Especially minimum FPS for when the poor AMD really can't cope. Dear lord. And the performance/watt... Feeling pretty good about my 4690 right now.
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veedubfreak posted:This is why I will no longer buy video cards through Newegg. gently caress restocking costs, and that assumes they even let you return the poo poo. Newegg has gone to poo poo in the last few years. Price gouging, no returns, etc. Newegg has a "Premier" thing that gives you free return shipping and waives the restocking fee. It has a one month free trial and you can cancel the auto-renew at any time. You can just make a new account (to get another free trial) any time you have to make a big purchase. Also, Newegg's eBay store has free return both ways at the same prices, so it's another layer of support. I got a full refund returning some case fans that didn't fit right.
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Zero VGS posted:Newegg has a "Premier" thing that gives you free return shipping and waives the restocking fee. It has a one month free trial and you can cancel the auto-renew at any time. You can just make a new account (to get another free trial) any time you have to make a big purchase. Also if you have shoprunner you can get free two day shipping and free returns. Shoprunner works with other sites as well, I get a free subscription through my american express credit card.
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