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CoolCab posted:I love how we establish that there are no non-sentient animals, and then later Bojack orders a huge steak from a cow waitress and sheepishly goes "sorry!". On a similar note, I pretty much lost it when we saw the LaBrea Tarpits.
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CoolCab posted:I love how we establish that there are no non-sentient animals, and then later Bojack orders a huge steak from a cow waitress and sheepishly goes "sorry!". And it was just a random guy at the counter getting a steak, not Bojack.
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# ? Sep 20, 2014 00:02 |
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nooneofconsequence posted:Did they establish that? I don't remember any non-anthropomorphic animals. Do we actually ever see Bojack eat meat?
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# ? Sep 20, 2014 00:17 |
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Maybe it's the background animal people doing animal things but this show really reminds me of Ugly Americans. If it weren't for Ugly Americans I probably would have passed over this show.
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# ? Sep 20, 2014 03:44 |
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Bleremiah posted:Watched the whole series over a couple of days with a friend who'd been pestering me about it a while. Even just the title worked given what Diane had said an episode before about "what happens after a happy ending?". In this case, it was a downer ending, but Bojack had gotten everything he said he wanted at the start. It was cool seeing things pick up from the rubble.
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# ? Sep 20, 2014 04:54 |
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Messyass posted:My favorite animal gag was the segment with Princess Carolyn doing different exercises in the gym and one of them is a scratching post. Yeah, and on one of the treadmills is a sloth. Just hanging.
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# ? Sep 20, 2014 21:04 |
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:My favourite animal moment was when Mr Peanutbutter opened the trunk full of tennis balls and while still talking to Diane, just for a brief moment, looks at the tennis balls and goes 'oo!' I'm not sure if they can hit the same emotional notes, but I think there are plenty of topics to address. The obvious thematic follow-up for most of the characters is what to do with success. I'm particularly interested in seeing more from Diane, who is 'successful' but keeps making 'safe,' familiar choices: marrying Mr. Peanutbutter, taking the Secretariat job instead of promoting humanitarian work, working with BoJack again, etc. BoJack is suddenly successful and popular again but now he's legitimately worried about being a bad person. Playing Secretariat might just fuel that, as well, considering that Secretariat doesn't seem like that great of a role model. Maybe BoJack will try to settle down? Todd is now PB Livin' large, suggesting he might move out of BoJack's place -- what will happen to that relationship? Princess Carolyn is happy with work and finally in a stable relationship... with 3 kids stacked on top of each other. Mr. Peanutbutter is a total doof but apparently has a so-far unexplored dark side (see: his horrible advice to Diane about finding distractions until death comes). We could see the other now-grown actors from Horsin' Around (or Mr. Peanutbutter's House), the return of Herb (or his funeral), the return of Charlotte, other family members, exploration of character backgrounds (e.g., How did BoJack fall from success last time? What's Todd's deal? How'd Diane get to Hollywoo?), etc. There are plenty of opportunities for new characters to emerge as well.
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# ? Sep 20, 2014 21:53 |
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Yeah, I'm a little iffy on a second season too but they're not short on material. At a guess filming Secretariat will probably serve the same narrative purpose as the memoir did in the first season, which is a window into Bojack's own issues - particularly since Diane's on the project. My bet is Bojack will want to gloss over his hero's flaws and see giving Secretariat a redemptive take as a way to redeem himself, while Diane, who knows him well and whose job it is to rein in the production, will have to challenge him on those beliefs. It's actually a pretty good way to change up the way they did things with the memoir, particularly since neither of them are in charge of the movie and the concern is making it sell rather than making it faithful. A few obvious episodes and scenes suggest themselves. There'll probably be an early episode about Bojack getting into shape and the challenge of looking like a horse half his age, and I'd be stunned if Bojack doesn't go visit Charlotte at some point (probably discovering she's married with kids or some such thing). Herb's funeral is almost certain, too. Dolash fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Sep 20, 2014 |
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I thought Diane was the weakest character so hopefully she becomes more interesting in season 2.
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# ? Sep 21, 2014 00:58 |
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nooneofconsequence posted:I thought Diane was the weakest character so hopefully she becomes more interesting in season 2. I thought she was mostly there as a foil to anchor all the weirdness of the other characters, which is kind of necessary if you're striking the kind of balance the second half of the season was going for. Served a good purpose in that sense, and still managed to have her moments.
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# ? Sep 21, 2014 01:27 |
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Naet posted:BoJack is suddenly successful and popular again but now he's legitimately worried about being a bad person. Playing Secretariat might just fuel that, as well, considering that Secretariat doesn't seem like that great of a role model. Maybe BoJack will try to settle down? Todd is now PB Livin' large, suggesting he might move out of BoJack's place -- what will happen to that relationship? Princess Carolyn is happy with work and finally in a stable relationship... with 3 kids stacked on top of each other. Mr. Peanutbutter is a total doof but apparently has a so-far unexplored dark side (see: his I fixed that for you - and yes, i want to see more of Mr. Peanutbutter. He is very interesting and I'm curious to see more of his inner mental workings.
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# ? Sep 21, 2014 02:07 |
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nooneofconsequence posted:I thought Diane was the weakest character so hopefully she becomes more interesting in season 2. Old Boot posted:I thought she was mostly there as a foil to anchor all the weirdness of the other characters, which is kind of necessary if you're striking the kind of balance the second half of the season was going for. Served a good purpose in that sense, and still managed to have her moments. I liked Diane's characterization. She's arguably the most well-rounded character besides BoJack. Like BoJack, she comes from an emotionally abusive family and faced severe bullying in school. Both of them run away from their childhoods as soon as they get the chance. They're both drawn to Secretariat, a horseman whose philosophy for dealing with problems is to run. BoJack uses people for his own selfish purposes, including betraying Herb and treating everyone like poo poo in his later life, and Diane calls him out on it. But, she profits from the actions of two flawed and destructive people -- Secretariat and BoJack -- while in many ways exhibiting their behavior, including selling out BoJack's personal life when it suits her. In doing that, she exploits a past relationship with Wayne to get her way. Hell, she goes to Boston for the express purpose of showing her family that she's better than they are, not to mourn or pay respects. Her family thinks of her as a Hollywoo big-shot, and she has no intention of correcting them. Diane jabs BoJack for his phobia of commitment, his jumping from woman to woman, and his undercutting of Todd to avoid being alone; yet, she stays with Mr. Peanutbutter out of her own fear of being alone, possibly even as a subconscious revenge on the teenage cheerleaders who mocked her, despite the fact that he's clearly no good for her and doesn't really support her beyond vapid gifts and empty gestures. He's just a safe choice. He'll never hurt her and she'll have a financially comfortable lifestyle, but she'll never be as happy as she could be. At the end of the season, she passes up an opportunity to use her writing for a good purpose, instead choosing to tread water on the Secretariat movie, yet another safe and directionless decision (and a more lucrative choice than humanitarian work). Even her career as ghostwriter kind of reflects her desire to engage in the BoJack/Secretariat lifestyle while maintaining moral superiority and remaining invisible and untouchable, a low-risk place where the cruel world can't really reach her. When Diane says that there is no 'deep down,' she's talking about herself. She once thought she was better than BoJack, better than her family, etc., but what has she really done to prove that? She might not be as directly destructive as BoJack -- and even then, she's clearly capable of it considering her hulking out in Boston -- but she lives in the wake of that destruction. edit: I'm writing a lot of words about a show with a horseman protagonist. I feel like Tom Haverford. "A piece of art caused me to have an emotional reaction. Is that normal?" i am the bird fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Sep 21, 2014 |
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Naet posted:edit: I'm writing a lot of words about a show with a horseman protagonist. I feel like Tom Haverford. "A piece of art caused me to have an emotional reaction. Is that normal?" I just find it hilarious that you're calling it "Hollywoo". Seriously, that's a great read and I feel inferior for not having picked up on it to begin with.
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# ? Sep 21, 2014 03:29 |
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Naet posted:very good I want to point out that I wasn't disagreeing with this. Just because she's a foil (and she is) doesn't diminish that there's actual characterization happening. It's more that she's the voice of sanity in comparison to the rest of the characters. She's, for lack of a better comparison, the closest thing to the audience as possible, so people saying she's dull is kind of expected. The foil always seems dull when they're surrounded by outright, batshit crazy. What you describe is a normal, human life, even if it is surrounded by animal people (and occasionally susceptible to a bar-destroying tantrum). In the context of the show, where nearly everyone in it is a satire in and of themselves, it's going to seem almost pointless to showcase. But not to everyone. I honestly hope she remains roughly the same type of character throughout the series, because she's absolutely necessary as a grounding element. And, again, it's doubtful that the series could have been anything other than 'Archer/Family Guy/whatever, but with occasional emotions and animal people' without her there.
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# ? Sep 21, 2014 15:16 |
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Old Boot posted:I want to point out that I wasn't disagreeing with this. Just because she's a foil (and she is) doesn't diminish that there's actual characterization happening. It's more that she's the voice of sanity in comparison to the rest of the characters. She's, for lack of a better comparison, the closest thing to the audience as possible, so people saying she's dull is kind of expected. The foil always seems dull when they're surrounded by outright, batshit crazy. Sorry, I didn't mean to present your quote that way. I was using it as a jumping off point to argue against Diane as a weak character. I 100% agree that she's a foil and that she's the most grounded character/audience mediator, with the caveat that she shares more with BoJack than she'd like to and that the audience could/should probably feel the same way, warts and all.
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# ? Sep 21, 2014 16:13 |
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It's also kind of important to have some more normal, relatable characters around because if your world is made up of nothing but assholes and morons then it's harder to care about the protagonist being an rear end in a top hat. Stealing those muffins from the seal doesn't bother us much because the seal's kind of an rear end too, but when Bojack hurts other characters Diane helps us cut through his bullshit smokescreens and get at his actual motivations. Todd and Princess both get the chance to call Bojack out as well, usually when Diane's not available (sometimes because she's the one Bojack's going to hurt today), and when they do they sound a lot more grounded and straightforward than they do when they're taking part in some wacky shenanigans.
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# ? Sep 22, 2014 04:21 |
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I went into this show knowing nothing, it just popped up on Netflix and I wanted to watch something short and light. I really enjoyed it and I am very pleased I got past the first few episodes, allowing time for the characters to gain depth and a story to unfold - far more than the "oh it's just going to be a bunch of animal sight gags and some losers getting into scrapes every week" I thought it was going to remain after the first few episodes. My problem is with Todd. As the characters gained depth, he did not. By the end he was just as flat as he had started and was completely unnecessary both to the plot, and to the show. I think this was exemplified when Bojack goes to see Kazazz, a big thing for him and the story as a whole and Todd is just sat in the car and he has his own self contained side-story with the robbers which amounts to nothing, affecting nothing.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 10:55 |
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Naet posted:Princess Carolyn is happy with work and finally in a stable relationship... with 3 kids stacked on top of each other. It's not all perfect. Vincent is a complex man. Sometimes he's just too "adult" when all Carolyn needs is an escape from reality. He's also fairly detached, at times. When he gets home from a long day at the business factory, he's so tired from all those financial transactions, he just wants to spend the whole night watching rated R movies.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 20:12 |
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Do the animals in this show's universe have human or animal lifespans? Princess Carolyn might be the same age as any of the kids that make up Vincent Adultman.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 20:21 |
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Horses have an average lifespan of 25-30 years and Bojack is 50.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 20:22 |
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Carolyn is 40, so I'm guessing they're using human lifespans. I don't expect the show to ever go into detail about why some characters are animals, that's just part of the premise and to lighten the mood.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 20:57 |
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Of everything to talk about with BoJack Horseman, why am I so obsessed with how much Keith Olbermann loves it?
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 20:59 |
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DaWolfey posted:I went into this show knowing nothing, it just popped up on Netflix and I wanted to watch something short and light. I really enjoyed it and I am very pleased I got past the first few episodes, allowing time for the characters to gain depth and a story to unfold - far more than the "oh it's just going to be a bunch of animal sight gags and some losers getting into scrapes every week" I thought it was going to remain after the first few episodes. This is one of the things I'm really loving about Netflix's own shows, as the fact they dump every episode online at once means you don't get the same bullshit that kills shows on television - weekly pacing isn't going to kill viewing figures due to enforced pacing, network execs can't diddle the scheduling to screw with the show and if anyone starts a series but doesn't think it's going anywhere, they'll have the people who went ahead of them saying "no no, they totally address those issues, stick with it!"
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:06 |
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When it comes down to it, I really think Keith Olberman just really wants to be cool.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 22:37 |
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Raphael Bob-Waksberg and Lisa Hanawalt are jumping onto Reddit in about 20 minutes for an AMA.
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 21:43 |
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DivisionPost posted:Of everything to talk about with BoJack Horseman, why am I so obsessed with how much Keith Olbermann loves it? Wouldn't a Whale news anchor be anti-Whaler? Checkmate, Olbermann.
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 22:00 |
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Marathoned the series while recovering from Gallbladder surgery, the first few eps started out okay, but I slowly found it growing on me after each ep, until it climaxed with the season finale. Really enjoyed the subtle and not-so subtle jokes, and grew to really feel for the characters. It was a bit of a surprise, and I've been recommending it to friends and adding that they should stick with it past the first few episodes to really get into the groove of it.
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# ? Sep 26, 2014 01:35 |
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I for one lost my poo poo at the human mariachi who looked exactly like the frog mariachi. Also, Vincent Adultman reminds me of Chicken Boo.
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# ? Sep 27, 2014 09:54 |
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Cojawfee posted:Horses have an average lifespan of 25-30 years and Bojack is 50. Then again, Lennie Turtletaub is well over 100 years old.
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# ? Sep 27, 2014 16:55 |
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Raar_Im_A_Dinosaur posted:When it comes down to it, I really think Keith Olberman just really wants to be cool. And it's kind of helping him get there, too.
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Cojawfee posted:Horses have an average lifespan of 25-30 years and Bojack is 50. He's also a self destructive drug addicted bipedal talking horse, that drives a car. edit: he also has human hands and feet Rocksicles fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Sep 27, 2014 |
# ? Sep 27, 2014 18:31 |
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I'm talking backwards! Aaron Paul is dead.
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# ? Oct 4, 2014 07:08 |
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It took me a while before my penny dropped. But I finally realized where I recognized those characters from. Lisa Hanawalt's book: my dirty dumb eyes. She did all the character designs. I had a talk with her at comic-con 2 years ago. I was the only one there to get her book signed. Something tells me she'll have a bit more people cueing at her booth next time. She's very nice, and I hope she'll have time left to make other books.
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# ? Oct 30, 2014 12:11 |
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http://thehairpin.com/2012/01/war-horse-an-illustrated-review/ It's all starting to make sense.
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# ? Oct 30, 2014 15:27 |
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mrfart posted:It took me a while before my penny dropped. I spent a lot more time than I should have trying to figure out what meter I was supposed to read this post in.
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# ? Oct 30, 2014 15:27 |
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I just decided to toss an episode on to fill some time and ended up rewatching the whole front half of the show. It's really worth a rewatch once you know the direction the show is going. It's too bad that most of the reviews out there are of the first half of the show without the ending.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 00:07 |
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I just decided to toss an episode on to fill some time and ended up rewatching the whole front half of the show. It's really worth a rewatch once you know the direction the show is going. It's too bad that most of the reviews out there are of the first half of the show without the ending. I recently found myself doing my own rewatch; I actually blazed through 1 to 8 and then had to stop for a long while because I just didn't want to go through 9 again. (I didn't want to go through 10 either, but that's because it's my least favorite episode of this batch). But I picked it back up a few days ago, gritted my teeth through those two episodes, and got my rear end kicked all over again by "Downer Ending" and "Later." Something that's not given enough props in this thread: That Teagan and Sara song at the end was a masterstroke. They took a song about loving a boyfriend, and turned it into something about the desperation to connect with others on a deeper level, reflecting BoJack's revelation (however temporary) that even with everything he ever wanted, he's still a lonely, deeply unhappy individual. And it drops right after he learns that he's someone's hero. Killed me.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 03:53 |
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Has everyone been following their Facebook? I'll repost the pictures when I'm not posting from a phone but there's some pictures of old scenes from Horsin' Around. Most recently they showed a still from a Halloween episode.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 04:15 |
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DivisionPost posted:That Teagan and Sara song at the end was a masterstroke. They took a song about loving a boyfriend
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nooneofconsequence posted:There's something you might not know about Tegan and Sara.
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