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Fenrir posted:Well, they get a lot of poo poo because of their style and apparently they're popular now with the 'scene' ... whatever the gently caress that means, I'm guessing that's a thing that happened after my time or something.
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Defiant Sally posted:Swano's still got it, as witnessed on Witherscape, but I dont think it's something he can do at length. He's always been one of my favorite vocalists and I blast Crimson I/II and Purgatory Afterglow on regular rotation. I think the only other death metal vocalist that's been as consistently amazing as Swano over the past 20-30 years would be Piotr Wiwczarek from Vader. Most of the growls on Crimson II were not Swano. Hell, did he do ANY of the growls on C2? I mean, C2 is awesome but, I think all the singing he did was clean in that one. Yet another reason Crimson I was better  Henchman of Santa posted:First they got poo poo for playing metalcore, then for being too wanky. Personally I don't care either way, BtBaM are one of my favorite bands ever. Yeah I tend not to listen to the nonsense, and ever since Alaska they've creeped up into my "Favorite Bands Ever" space, or at least close to it. I doubt Enslaved will ever be dethroned, but drat I love those guys. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Fenrir posted:Most of the growls on Crimson II were not Swano. Hell, did he do any of the growls on C2? Yeah, I'm aware. The guest's vocals and the one's he does do sound very much the same and he actually does quite a bit on C2 as far as I can hear.
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Defiant Sally posted:Yeah, I'm aware. The guest's vocals and the one's he does do sound very much the same and he actually does quite a bit on C2 as far as I can hear. C1 is still better But he also unleashes the dragon on his solo album Moontower. Musically that album is pretty mediocre but he kills the loving vocals so hard. Listening to that right now actually.
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Fenrir posted:C1 is still better C1 does indeed own but even Swano has admitted he hates the production on it. If he redid C1 I would be spraying cum for days. There's a new Nightingale in the works as well which sounds like it will be better than White Darkness. For the uninitiated reading this exchange you should blast this tape found below immediately. I am almost certain Swano is singing at 2:00, 5:45, 6:40, so even though he has Roberth Karlsson listed as lead vocals he's singing more than half the time, but they switch on/off frequently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNjyNRdSEo0
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FYI Tyr and Eluveitie live together will rock your face off. For water music, has anyone posted Arkham Witch? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F15u0_6o8aI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaMj1GwjaEo
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Well to be a bit pedantic, those songs are more about the things living under the sea than like, seafaring or the sea itself.  That said, gently caress being pedantic, because Arkham Witch loving rules. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSAL2tvp6c
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So I realized earlier today that I can't think of single metal music video that I would describe as great. There's plenty of great music videos but like 90% of them are pop music and 0% are metal. Please post metal music videos that you think are museum-grade good, if there are any. I'll do a critique of a couple just to start this off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxMJDTJXleI One of my favorite bands, great song, but the video would have been so much better if only they had kept the concert poo poo out of it. Imagine if the whole video was only abstract fast cut poo poo. I'd be loving it for sure. Still wouldn't be great though, just good-ish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGOHk2J4jV4 Another band that I like a lot but what the hell even is this? Deviantart, the music video? For gently caress's sake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F1W8HJLV5s Even if bands don't do the whole 'here's us miming playing the song, as if you couldn't watch a live video' thing at all, it's just more of the incredibly embarrassing Devia-- oh I already made that comparison. Come on. There's got to be ONE (1) great metal music video in existence. Oh and don't even think about posting Call of the Wintermoon or stuff like that, I mean unironically great.
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The obvious choice is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKSDn4ppKYc Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUltTV3t4OM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr9_e4ySRYA This comes to mind.
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It's funny that you already linked DT since they're actually who I think of first as having really artistic, good videos (with the caveat that I've never seen that "Monochromatic Stains" video before, that poo poo was dire.) Having an accomplished, good visual artist who's also one of the bandleaders and major songwriters helps Dark Tranquillity be on point a lot more than pretty much any other metal band. I certainly spend the most time looking at their album art! That said, here's my favourite video of theirs, animated by Sundin himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzVDt1xYFsM
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Did you just make me watch a Cradle of Filth video on the hope that anything unexpected/good would happen? How rude. The Periphery video is pretty OK, if a little self-consciously wacky, but either way, metalcore isn't metal. GuardianOfAsgaard posted:This comes to mind. I have to grant that this would be a memorable music video even in other genres. The video is OK. It's just that there's still a huge disconnect between the song and the video, which I think shouldn't happen if you want to hang with the best of the best in terms of music videos. Sorry, I forgot to specify official videos only.
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Arivia posted:It's funny that you already linked DT since they're actually who I think of first as having really artistic, good videos (with the caveat that I've never seen that "Monochromatic Stains" video before, that poo poo was dire.) That's definitely a lot better than the DT video I linked. And I wouldn't say it's a bad video, but it's just not (and I'm defining the goal posts here) a video that you need to have seen to fully appreciate the song. You know, where the song and the video fit together like they were planned this way all along. In this case, it's a (IMHO) bad song coupled with a mediocre, but visually stimulating video, but I don't see much of a connection between the two. OK, I guess iridium is a metal and there are metal dogs in the video but whatever. Compare and contrast to, I don't know, Like A Prayer where Madonna sings about wanting to blow a guy / the power of Jesus and in the video she macks on Black Jesus like you wouldn't believe, and it's an instant stone cold classic that probably still to this day has nice old ladies clutching their pearls. Where's that truly transgressive poo poo in metal videos?
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Smirr posted:Come on. There's got to be ONE (1) great metal music video in existence. Oh and don't even think about posting Call of the Wintermoon or stuff like that, I mean unironically great. Call of the Wintermoon is a perfect distillation of the 90s black metal aesthetic, if you're appreciating it 'ironically' you're doing it wrong.
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While they weren't ... entirely successful, Pig Destroyer at least tried to do something a little different with "The Diplomat." I feel like there was a good idea here somewhere, just executed clumsily. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6dycCqqZS0 At least it wasn't "brutalized person wakes up in unfamiliar room and runs for life" which seemed to be the default metal video motif for a long time. Also Book Burner was a tremendous letdown. Dammit.
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This video fits the song pretty perfectly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7sIqyoRFiU
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Smirr posted:So I realized earlier today that I can't think of single metal music video that I would describe as great. There's plenty of great music videos but like 90% of them are pop music and 0% are metal. Please post metal music videos that you think are museum-grade good, if there are any. You don't watch enough videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7eSgcZe3tM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYdJZgkJ9SI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VBdAY8eA9w
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Pearl-clutching videos? There are some out there. You have the ones that try and go for the satanic imagery like  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnTL1L8a6YIAnd for straight up horror movie poo poo, this is the most video I think I've ever seen:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP1kQ9twFQg
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NarkyBark posted:And for straight up horror movie poo poo, this is the most https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okdXA9zRNbA
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Von Sloneker posted:While they weren't ... entirely successful, Pig Destroyer at least tried to do something a little different with "The Diplomat." I feel like there was a good idea here somewhere, just executed clumsily. Aw poo poo, I'd forgotten this one, it's loving brilliant. I just look at it and go "Yup, that's goddamn thrash metal alright." Also why the hell have I not grabbed this album yet, god drat. Anyways, my contribution: I'm quite fond of Chthonic's Broken Jade. They have some really drat nice aesthetics going, and the atmosphere is great. The ending from about 4:18 onwards, combined with the beautiful melody and radio chatter in the song, always gives me the chills. As usual, they could've just axed the band footage though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heF_NPJbv8Y Then there's Sentenced's No One There. While they have the apparently mandatory band footage, they at least went for something a bit different with that. I dunno, maybe I'm just a sentimental fool but I find the video legit touching. They sure has hell had that whole sappy melancholy thing nailed down to a tee. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGtrNZwqpCY Also Edguy's silly bullshit makes me laugh, cheers me up and fits their music style perfectly, so I'm gonna count this as great and gently caress the haters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1zAkGE5HE
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DeusExMachinima posted:FYI Tyr and Eluveitie live together will rock your face off. Agreed, saw them Saturday, I got pretty drunk, but it was tons of fun.
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I always liked this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmUgDrdbDhQ
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Spanish Manlove posted:You don't watch enough videos Hell yes, was gonna post this one before I saw you had it covered. This isn't official official, but you can't argue that it doesn't fit the song like a glove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8cPTlFpx9o
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here's the only good metal video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v-06_X6k3k
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=?QOb6JSQd-Qw e: this used to be my favorite, hasn't aged well but I still like it: e2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD7bCRG3CG0 Gaggins fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Sep 25, 2014 |
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Smirr posted:So I realized earlier today that I can't think of single metal music video that I would describe as great.
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Nordick posted:While they have the apparently mandatory band footage I remember, it must have been over a decade ago at this point, a thing on MTV where a the winner of a contest got to direct the video for the new Korn, or some other such video darling, song. The band is of little importance in the end. Anyway this kid wins and they have an actual director doing the Director of Photography thing and making this kid's dream come true. The kid said that bands fake performances were stupid and no one liked them and the DP guy like nearly had a conniption. Over a series of clips he tried to convince the kid that every video needed a performance because the rest of the video might suck, but hey at least they got the performance! Also apparently MTV refused to show the actual act of dying on screen and the band picked this kid's idea because it involved all of the band being systematically killed off on screen so the MTV Standards and Practices guy was flipping his poo poo over the content, which is less germane to this conversation but I always got a laugh out of that. Anyway I guess what I'm saying is that all music video directors apparently have no faith in their product nor audience and throw in the performance as a hedge, and that's why it's so prevalent.
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Well, it's either that or you get amazingly cheesy videos like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaFhMB6Hy9A
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Yes, I know I'm a fanboy, but this was done well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw
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Truly great Metal video? Easy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VufilzHKTqk
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Surely the best metal video has to be One. Johnny got his gun fits in so perfectly. I actually prefer listening to one with the film quotes over it. Close second is probably Seasons In The Abyss. Metal videos in general are pretty cringe worthy, especially when they try to get some proper production values behind them. Just throw together some black and white shots of the band playing and splice it with old war footage. Bam, you got yourself a sweet video.
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AgentJotun posted:Surely the best metal video has to be One. Johnny got his gun fits in so perfectly. I actually prefer listening to one with the film quotes over it. Hah, this post is so spot on. One gave me serious chills when I first saw it, and I still haven't worked up the nerve to watch that movie, seems like the most despair inducing film ever. And every other memorable metal film clip literally is b&w shredding + a tank rolling through baghdad.
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I forgot about this one, which no one else should. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMKOx6fumc
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OK, there are some good to great metal videos. I'm convinced. In particular: Pig Destroyer - so nice it was posted twice. The video really works for me. To define some more goal posts, it commands your attention all the way through, no dead air, no filler, no loving band footage. Very good. I also didn't get the impression that the corniness was self-conscious or fake, which would have been a turn-off. Cattle Decapitation - I guess one of the many reasons that band footage is so bad is that it seems lazy. It's much nicer when you can feel that the band really put some thought and planning into a video. That said, I'm never watching this again. But it IS transgressive, it DOES command your attention and there IS a coherent concept to it. Still with the band footage though, which is particularly inexplicable because who the gently caress would want their faces associated with this?? I guess this is me clutching my pearls. Edguy - loving Edguy, man. I completely forgot they even exist, but this video is... great. Put this on permanent loop in a museum somewhere Red Fang - I guess one way to make me not mind band footage is if you film it in some guy's kitchen and have moldy guitars. Also if the music is giving me an erection. Some didn't quite convince me: Toxic Holocaust - would be so much better if it didn't look like a flash animation. Maybe some of my lukewarm-ness towards Toxic Holocaust is clouding my judgment, where I feel that they should be and ARE pushing all of my buttons but it never really clicks for me. Khanate - I like them, but the video is just boring. Like, that's the best thing they could come up with? Gojira - much the same. 2 minutes in I checked the playtime and realized that I don't really care why the woman is hauling around a casket. There's just too little happening I guess. anticake posted:I remember, it must have been over a decade ago at this point, a thing on MTV where a the winner of a contest got to direct the video for the new Korn, or some other such video darling, song. The band is of little importance in the end. Anyway this kid wins and they have an actual director doing the Director of Photography thing and making this kid's dream come true. The kid said that bands fake performances were stupid and no one liked them and the DP guy like nearly had a conniption. Over a series of clips he tried to convince the kid that every video needed a performance because the rest of the video might suck, but hey at least they got the performance! Also apparently MTV refused to show the actual act of dying on screen and the band picked this kid's idea because it involved all of the band being systematically killed off on screen so the MTV Standards and Practices guy was flipping his poo poo over the content, which is less germane to this conversation but I always got a laugh out of that. And this explains a lot. I guess it's not very specific to metal, but you'd think that with less pressure about the video actually getting airtime (because it won't get any at all) people would be less concerned about playing it safe.
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SKELETONS posted:Hah, this post is so spot on. One gave me serious chills when I first saw it, and I still haven't worked up the nerve to watch that movie, seems like the most despair inducing film ever. It's pretty decent. The book is worth reading too.
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Surprised that this hasnt been posted yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMKOx6fumc
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henpod posted:Surprised that this hasnt been posted yet: Three posts up, 
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Spanish Manlove posted:Three posts up, Holy poo poo, how did I miss that. Don't work and post kids, or poo poo like that will happen!
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