Crawl 0.15: Terrifying, Ever-Gnashing Radulae

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hito: Feb 13, 2012; Thank you, kids. By giving us this lift you're giving a lift to every law-abiding citizen in the world.

BigFactory posted:

New vestibule of hell is pretty cool. Not as hectic as the old one, and variety is always cool.

What's a better post game weapon, a +9 freezing executioners axe or + 8 battleaxe {holy, rF+ rC+}? I can't tell what's doing more damage.

My gut instinct is that the amount of demonic/undead enemies in postgame is enough to justify the lower base damage of the battleaxe (especially with those resists), but I wouldn't know for sure. I mean, now that weapon weight is gone, I'd just carry both, use the holy one by default, and swap out for cold vulnerable/cold blooded/tough, non-demonic/undead enemies.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 02:37

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 13:50

BigFactory: Sep 17, 2002

hito posted:

My gut instinct is that the amount of demonic/undead enemies in postgame is enough to justify the lower base damage of the battleaxe (especially with those resists), but I wouldn't know for sure. I mean, now that weapon weight is gone, I'd just carry both, use the holy one by default, and swap out for cold vulnerable/cold blooded/tough, non-demonic/undead enemies.

Maybe if the home told you how much damage you were doing...

# ? Sep 29, 2014 02:50

kaschei: Oct 25, 2005

hito posted:

Hey PF, could you post that neat link where you can look up your wins/plays by online username in the OP? It's super useful.

It's this by the way since PF is apparently not chained to a computer 24/7.

BigFactory posted:

New vestibule of hell is pretty cool. Not as hectic as the old one, and variety is always cool.

What's a better post game weapon, a +9 freezing executioners axe or + 8 battleaxe {holy, rF+ rC+}? I can't tell what's doing more damage.

The battleaxe does more against hell beasts, who are neither vulnerable nor resistant to cold. The executioner's axe will win against things rC- like balrugs.

It's actually pretty close either way. I would just use the battleaxe.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 02:57

Panic! at Nabisco: Jun 6, 2007; it seemed like a good idea at the time

paranoid randroid posted:

Beats me, I sacrificed my sense of humor to Ru for improved shitposting powers.

If this isn't the 0.16 thread title I'll cry

# ? Sep 29, 2014 03:00

Jeffrey of YOSPOS: Dec 22, 2005; GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

I'd use the battleaxe in extended and the freezing axe in zot.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 03:38

Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

There's a fun, exciting Demigod change on trunk right now. You should try out Dg and tell us what you think about the change.

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

If this isn't the 0.16 thread title I'll cry

Crawl 0.16: You sacrifice your sense of humor to Ru

# ? Sep 29, 2014 04:16

paranoid randroid: Mar 4, 2007

Agent Kool-Aid posted:

i guess you're a RuBe, then

Don't make me destroy your pathetic mind with the truth about fiat currency.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 04:17

Mr. Lobe: Feb 23, 2007; ... Dry bones...

Brannock posted:

There's a fun, exciting Demigod change on trunk right now. You should try out Dg and tell us what you think about the change.

Is it in the offline compiled versions yet?

# ? Sep 29, 2014 04:19

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Brannock posted:

There's a fun, exciting Demigod change on trunk right now. You should try out Dg and tell us what you think about the change.

Is it the stats change or a different one?

# ? Sep 29, 2014 04:23

bisonbison: Jul 18, 2002

I'll also just note that someone's been refactoring code like a mad man this weekend. I don't code beyond non-functional toys, but it's fun to see people work through a huge existing code base, hammering out stuff that offends them.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 04:24

Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

Prism posted:

Is it the stats change or a different one?

It's the stats change, and personally I think the -4 stats is a little bit too much of a tradeoff (hiss, PF, hiss) since it puts them at only 3 stats-from-XL ahead of Human -- aside from their 10 bonus stats at startup, anyway.

What I'm particularly interested in hearing about is whether or not people find the stat changes to make their Demigods more unique than they were before -- are they able to successfully build a master of Evasion, or the Dungeon's most powerful caster, or what?

# ? Sep 29, 2014 04:27

Dr. Despair: Nov 4, 2009; 39 perfect posts with each roll.

code:

          Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations
You have razor-sharp teeth.
You regenerate.
When hurt, damage is shared between your health and your magic reserves.
Your bite disrupts and absorbs the magic of your enemies.
Potions and wands cannot restore your health.
You are immune to rotting.
You are mostly covered in rough black scales (AC +7, Dex -2).
You have a somewhat thin skeletal structure (Dex +2, Stealth).
You tend to lose your temper in combat.
Your vision is a little blurry.
Your body is slowly deteriorating.
Your flesh is heat resistant.
You occasionally shout uncontrollably at your foes.
You are weak. (Str -2)
You have difficulty communicating with the divine.
Your spells are a little easier to cast, but a little less powerful.

The best part about that? I used my one cmut potion once already to get rid of blurry vision and forlorn already. And I have a trove asking for two cmuts. :razz:

Can't complain too much though...

code:

MrDespairSA the Warrior (Vine Stalker Berserker)   Turns: 58343, Time: 05:27:26

HP 158/158       AC 43     Str 23      XL: 27
MP  43/43        EV 23     Int  9      God: Trog [******]
Gold 3605        SH 10     Dex 22 (23) Spells:  0 memorised, 26 levels left

rFire  + + +     SeeInvis +     a - +9 quick blade (elec) {THANKS TROG}
rCold  + + .     Rnd*Rage +     B - +10 scale mail "Fenedy" {rF++ Slay+3}
rNeg   + + .     rCorr    .     Y - +2 buckler {AC+3}
rPois  +         rRot     +     K - +3 crown of Dyrovepreva {rElec Int+2 SInv}
rElec  +         Spirit   +     o - +1 cloak
SustAb .         Warding  .     D - +4 pair of gloves of Rapsouf {+Fly rPois rF+ rN+ Dex+1 Curse, TERRIBLE}
rMut   +         Stasis   .     e - +0 pair of boots "Josirad" {rF+}
Gourm  .                        Z - amulet of resist mutation
MR     +++++                    M - ring "Kodoxzun" {+Inv rF- Slay+5}
                                S - ring of Smiy {+Fly rPois rC++ rN+ MR++ Stlth+}

@: almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy
A: fangs 3, rough black scales 2, thin skeletal structure 1, berserk 1, blurry
vision 1, deterioration 1, fire resistance 1, regeneration 3, screaming 1, weak
1, magic shield, antimagic bite, no device heal 3, rot immunity, forlorn, placid
magic 1
a: Burn Spellbooks, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Invisibility, Evoke Flight
}: 3/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, silver

e. I'm half tempted to go jiyva->zin to fix those muts before doing some extended tomorrow.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 04:41

LogicNinja: Jan 21, 2011; ...the blur blurs blurringly across the blurred blur in a blur of blurring blurriness that blurred...

Brannock posted:

What I'm particularly interested in hearing about is whether or not people find the stat changes to make their Demigods more unique than they were before -- are they able to successfully build a master of Evasion, or the Dungeon's most powerful caster, or what?

It'll differentiate Dgs from each other, sure, but it'll differentiate them less from everyone else. Having lots of every stat sort-of made the kind of "adapt to everything" thing Demigods have to do viable.

I'd say leave their stats the way they were and give them better aptitudes...

# ? Sep 29, 2014 04:47

Hawkperson: Jun 20, 2003

Where can I see what major changes are happening in trunk? I tried looking at the changelog here: http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/changes.txt but I can't see anything that seems to describe what you guys are talking about.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 04:50

Dr. Despair: Nov 4, 2009; 39 perfect posts with each roll.

Hawkgirl posted:

Where can I see what major changes are happening in trunk? I tried looking at the changelog here: http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/changes.txt but I can't see anything that seems to describe what you guys are talking about.

http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=summary is probably a bit more up to date.

e. rip mimics

# ? Sep 29, 2014 04:54

Thug Lessons: Dec 14, 2006; I lust in my heart for as many dead refugees as possible.

Hawkgirl posted:

Where can I see what major changes are happening in trunk? I tried looking at the changelog here: http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/changes.txt but I can't see anything that seems to describe what you guys are talking about.

Only the major changes get put up in the changelog and it's updated infrequently, but you can view the full list of commits here. https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commits/ee12738d0190d3e60e17f1d60bf0a8ca89591d1f

# ? Sep 29, 2014 04:54

Pvt.Scott: Feb 16, 2007; What God wants, God gets, God help us all

I demand that Deep Elves be given the ability to equip two short or long blades at once.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 05:23

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

hito posted:

Hey PF, could you post that neat link where you can look up your wins/plays by online username in the OP? It's super useful.

Sure, done!

bisonbison posted:

I'll also just note that someone's been refactoring code like a mad man this weekend. I don't code beyond non-functional toys, but it's fun to see people work through a huge existing code base, hammering out stuff that offends them.

Most of that stuff has been sitting around for weeks (months, in some case) - the feature freeze meant that I couldn't push anything nontrivial to trunk since the beginning of August, and I left the country right before the tournament (and the code freeze) ended, so that added another two weeks before I could push.

Nice to finally have it in, though! Expecting a lot of exciting fun bugs introduced by all those changes. (And maybe a few new features...)

# ? Sep 29, 2014 05:33

Tollymain: Jul 9, 2010; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

devs please add detailed crafting and enchantment systems asap

# ? Sep 29, 2014 05:54

tote up a bags: Jun 8, 2006; die stoats die

A god that gives you fetch quests and escort quests please

# ? Sep 29, 2014 06:08

Wolfechu: May 2, 2009; All the world's a stage I'm going through

I seem to remember there's a command, like how Ctrl-X shows you a list of all objects in LOS, but for a whole floor. Does this exist, or am I driving myself insane with false memories?

# ? Sep 29, 2014 06:22

kaschei: Oct 25, 2005

Wolfechu posted:

I seem to remember there's a command, like how Ctrl-X shows you a list of all objects in LOS, but for a whole floor. Does this exist, or am I driving myself insane with false memories?

Ctrl+f .

Also, ". && foo" doesn't work, but you can filter to the current floor with ctrl+f @foo

# ? Sep 29, 2014 06:27

Wolfechu: May 2, 2009; All the world's a stage I'm going through

kaschei posted:

Ctrl+f .

Also, ". && foo" doesn't work, but you can filter to the current floor with ctrl+f @foo

Ahh, I bet it's that filter I'm thinking, rather than a key combo, thanks.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 06:37

Thug Lessons: Dec 14, 2006; I lust in my heart for as many dead refugees as possible.

Pvt.Scott posted:

I demand that Deep Elves be given the ability to equip two short or long blades at once.

I actually think dual-wielding could work as an aux attack but it's one of features that's been ruled out.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 06:56

Lonny Donoghan: Jan 20, 2009; Pillbug

dual cooking

# ? Sep 29, 2014 07:17

Roctavian: Feb 23, 2011

maybe we could double-remove deep elf blademasters

# ? Sep 29, 2014 07:55

paranoid randroid: Mar 4, 2007

Using jump attack while dual wielding hand crossbows has a small chance to summon a flock of friendly doves.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 08:10

Serephina: Nov 8, 2005; 恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー

I still think implementing and balancing dual wield would be trivial, while also providing a niche for low-delay "crap" weapons later in the game. Seriously, considering only half the features they've added&removed in the past year, the observance to some old hardline stance on dual wielding is... odd.

Edit: oh yea, and makes weapon crosstraining a cool feature

# ? Sep 29, 2014 11:44

TZer0: Jun 22, 2013

Who made this cruel thing?

code:

 Found twelve items.
There is an open door, spattered with blood here.
You see here a guardian serpent corpse.
_The scroll is a mimic! The potion is a mimic! The scroll is a mimic!
_You now have 3705 gold pieces (gained 344).
_The ring mail is a mimic! The rod is a mimic! The hunting sling is a mimic!
_The rod is a mimic!
_The phial of floods is a mimic! The staff is a mimic!
_A - 9 potions of might (gained 2)
_The box of beasts is a mimic! The amulet is a mimic! The rod is a mimic!
_The potion is a mimic! The hand crossbow is a mimic!
_The beef jerky is a mimic! The ring is a mimic!
_h - 14 scrolls of remove curse (gained 3)
_The scale mail is a mimic!
_The potion is a mimic!
_The bread ration is a mimic!
_The scroll is a mimic!
_The scroll is a mimic!
_You see here a glowing helmet.
You see here a cloak.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 12:22

Sage Grimm: Feb 18, 2013; Let's go explorin' little dude!

It is the best vault from an earlier age. Now that there are so many vaults it hardly shows up in the rota, but when it does... :allears:

# ? Sep 29, 2014 12:27

Inexplicable Humblebrag: Sep 20, 2003

Got a trunk game on the go at the moment, so not ditching that yet - what's the demigod change? Stat boost each level?

# ? Sep 29, 2014 12:31

BigFactory: Sep 17, 2002

I've got a trove in Depths that wants 2 scrolls of acquirement. I've found one (the third of the game). I will almost certainly be disappointed with the loot if I save this one and manage to find another, right?

# ? Sep 29, 2014 13:18

Angry Diplomat: Nov 7, 2009; Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

Eh, it's really a gamble. What were you planning on acquiring? You'd pretty much be giving up two specific acquirements for a bunch of completely random ones. I'd hold onto the scrolls if there's something specific you need that isn't notorious for Okawaru acquirements (I acquired 4 wands of lightning in one game trying to get healing :argh:

), but if you've got a good kit together and are mostly just taking opportunities to upgrade as they come, I dunno, flip a coin or something.

(Someone with knowledge of this game's absurdly opaque mechanics please tell me how wrong I am)

# ? Sep 29, 2014 13:24

Inexplicable Humblebrag: Sep 20, 2003

Do it. Live a little.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 13:27

BigFactory: Sep 17, 2002

Angry Diplomat posted:

Eh, it's really a gamble. What were you planning on acquiring? You'd pretty much be giving up two specific acquirements for a bunch of completely random ones. I'd hold onto the scrolls if there's something specific you need that isn't notorious for Okawaru acquirements (I acquired 4 wands of lightning in one game trying to get healing ), but if you've got a good kit together and are mostly just taking opportunities to upgrade as they come, I dunno, flip a coin or something.

(Someone with knowledge of this game's absurdly opaque mechanics please tell me how wrong I am)

I've got boots of running (Made oki worthwhile), wands of healing, haste, tele, invis, all the weapons I really need, my armor is +6 plate {+Blink +inv slay+3}, all the spells a fighter could want (haste at 6%, phase shift at 3%, spectral weapon 1%).

I don't exactly know what I'd acquire. Jewelry I guess. I'm wearing a necklace of rage, ring with {wiz rC++} and ring of regen, but I haven't found a ton of basic jewelry, so I'd probably end up getting sustain abilities or something. I'll stash the scroll for now. Troves are fun.

(that armor I found in a shop pre-lair, btw. Haven't found anything close to it since, unless I wanted to start blasting. I do have 2 manuals of ice magic...)

EDIT: hey, here's another question: does invocations affect oki abilities other than pass/fail? I have a manual of invo, so I've been training it but I'll turn it off if not. Finesse is at 1%.

BigFactory fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Sep 29, 2014

# ? Sep 29, 2014 13:31

Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

Sage Grimm posted:

It is the best vault from an earlier age. Now that there are so many vaults it hardly shows up in the rota, but when it does...

That same vault killed my last attempt at a winner in the tournament. Turns out mimics were actually pretty deadly if you get constricted after stepping into range of 4-5 of them. Not anymore now!

# ? Sep 29, 2014 13:36

Serephina: Nov 8, 2005; 恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー

BigFactory posted:

EDIT: hey, here's another question: does invocations affect oki abilities other than pass/fail? I have a manual of invo, so I've been training it but I'll turn it off if not. Finesse is at 1%.

Yes, duration. Finesse at 1% is usually the point I turn it off for Oki tho, diminishing returns for exp and all that.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 13:59

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

scalded schlong posted:

Got a trunk game on the go at the moment, so not ditching that yet - what's the demigod change? Stat boost each level?

2/3 levels, no random stat boosts (so a stat of your choice at level 2,3,5,6...26,27).

there's a suggestion to change it to double-stat-ups on levels 3/6/9, which has a pleasing elegance, but I don't really feel strongly enough to change it (again)

Serephina posted:

I still think implementing and balancing dual wield would be trivial

# ? Sep 29, 2014 14:16

TZer0: Jun 22, 2013

gently caress Zot...

Edit:
That might've been too wide, timg'ing

TZer0 fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Sep 29, 2014

# ? Sep 29, 2014 14:28

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 13:50

Serephina: Nov 8, 2005; 恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー

PleasingFungus posted:

uh

"... to the point where it is playtest-able", I should say.
Unless you're commenting on the nature of Crawl's codebase.

# ? Sep 29, 2014 14:41

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