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WHOOPS, IGNORE ALL THAT, JUST SCROLL DOWN AND FORGET YOU EVER SAW THISquote:NEW AMSTERDAM centers on a brilliant and enigmatic New York homicide detective unlike any other. And he has a profound secret -- he is immortal. Starring:
WHOOPS, IGNORE ALL THAT, JUST SCROLL DOWN AND FORGET YOU EVER SAW THIS SPOILER ALERT: he dies in the first episode Forever premieres at 10pm EST on Monday 22 September and then again in its regular timeslot on at 10PM on Tuesdays starting on 23 September. quote:Doctor Henry Morgan (Ioan Gruffudd), New York City's star medical examiner, has a secret. He doesn't just study the dead to solve criminal cases, he does it to solve the mystery that has eluded him for 200 years—the answer to his own inexplicable immortality. This long life has given Henry remarkable observation skills which impresses his new partner Detective Jo Martinez (Alana De La Garza), but piques her curiosity about who he is. Each week, a new case and their budding friendship will reveal layers of Henry's long and colorful past. Only his best friend and confidant, Abe (Judd Hirsch) knows Henry's secret. Trailer | Full pilot preview Cast
I hope you didn't read the beginning of the post. Funny story, that ... SPOILER ALERT: he dies in the first episode Sober fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 14:06 |
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Not even five seconds into this pilot and its british as gently caress narration time. I guess I'll keep watching. edit: That was fun, I'll probably keep watching. I've been looking for a lighthearted fun procedural ever since Castle started making GBS threads the bed. Zaggitz fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Sep 15, 2014 |
# ? Sep 15, 2014 21:06 |
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Bumping this because it's airing tonight. You can watch the pilot still I think that's linked in the OT. It's actual timeslot is tomorrow on at Tuesdays.
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# ? Sep 23, 2014 00:44 |
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Zaggitz posted:edit: That was fun, I'll probably keep watching. I've been looking for a lighthearted fun procedural ever since Castle started making GBS threads the bed. You actually got me to see it based solely on that line, and so far I concur; I'll probably watch a few more episodes at the least, it's nice to have a fun procedural to fall back to.
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# ? Sep 23, 2014 14:17 |
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Holy Jesus, you weren't kidding. This show is so New Amsterdam it's almost unbelievable. I can buy the guy saying he didn't know about that show when making this one, though. Since, if you were plagiarizing, you'd make more changes to try and hide the fact. And once you settle on the idea of "immortal solving crimes in NYC" then Cop Love Interest, Elderly Confidant Who Is Secretly His Son, Gets Rich via Antiques are kind of obvious follow-ons. Still and all, New Amsterdam was a good show, so copying it wholesale probably isn't a bad idea. The pilot was decent and has me buying in for at least the first month or so to see where they go with it.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 03:10 |
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I caught the second episode tonight after Agents of SHIELD and was intrigued enough to go back and watch the pilot, and oddly I think the second one was much stronger. A lot of the pilot seemed a bit too pleased with itself, too pat in some of its solutions, but they might have just been trying to get the setup established too quickly. Lots of stuff got thrown in and brushed over that deserved a slower, more considered introduction over a whole episode or so. Lots of it rubbed up against "show, don't tell". And honestly, since I watched the second episode first, it was all poo poo I picked up just from watching that. So maybe that made it feel more tritely treated. Plus all the usual cop procedural crap, where crime scene treatment, DNA analysis, etc just doesn't work that way. I can get past that, but judging from my wife's complaints, she can't, so that's another strike against. I'll probably let it run on after AoS until I get annoyed with it. I just wish they had allowed a little more of the mysterious elements to unfold naturally rather than whip out its cock on the first date. Tease me a little, please.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 05:45 |
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I just got done watching the pilot, and I know this show is going to get a lot of comparisons to New Amsterdam, in the same way that show was compared to things like Highlander, Forever Knight, etc. But I think right off the bat it sort of is a different enough show than the others, though. A lot of the ending narration and the Sherlock-levels of deduction got really annoying to a point, but right off the bat I think it did something that I think New Amsterdam needed to do and never did: It gave the main character a Moriarty/Joker/Mr. Glass figure to challenge him. I don't know why, but I felt that way about New Amsterdam. It needed someone who was similarly immortal to provide a skewed counterpoint to the lead's condition. It throws a new wrench into the character's existence that can pop up now and then to maybe help move a long-running story arc along between stand-alones.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 08:21 |
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After The Listener ended I was craving another police procedural with a mysterious element, and this should do for a while. The 'Adam' b-plot can be interesting if they draw it out rather then dump it all at once. I will say I have to actively suppress my ire that he can still function in modern society with all the computers and IDs and everything. One of the things I enjoyed about Forever Knight (mid 90s) (same premise only the main character is a vampire cop) is that he was always having to dance around his background and the rise of computers for tracking information and moved every 15+ years before his not aging became obvious. I'll definitely follow it, but the ratings aren't super exciting, 1.7 in the demo and 8.5 viewers. That's likely to drop by a bit, and I don't know ABC's threshold for ratings.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 08:33 |
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I get the feeling that the show might not last unless you can get people on board for it. It doesn't seem like a lot of the "crime show plus sci-fi/fantasy element" shows fair very well on network TV, but I might be wrong. Of course, I'm thinking and stretching definition way out to include stuff like Brimstone, I think a couple of different vampire and werewolf cop shows, New Amsterdam, John Doe, Almost Human, a few different procedurals with a SciFi setting, etc. I'm sort of curious how Gotham and Flash series on network TV will eventually fair. JediTalentAgent fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Sep 24, 2014 |
# ? Sep 24, 2014 08:47 |
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JediTalentAgent posted:I get the feeling that the show might not last unless you can get people on board for it. It doesn't seem like a lot of the "crime show plus sci-fi/fantasy element" shows fair very well on network TV, but I might be wrong. Of course, I'm thinking and stretching definition way out to include stuff like Brimstone, I think a couple of different vampire and werewolf cop shows, New Amsterdam, John Doe, Almost Human, a few different procedurals with a SciFi setting, etc. Grimm has lasted 4 seasons as a popular show hovering around 6.5 million viewers, but it scores really high in the key demo. If Forever loses viewers and drops below a 1.3 in the demo it'll certainty get cancelled.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 09:52 |
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Wait, was last night's episode really not the pilot? I had no idea they'd already aired an episode, I was vaguely interested and could conveniently just leave ABC on after Agents of SHIELD (and will probably continue to do so). That seems like a weird move.pentyne posted:I will say I have to actively suppress my ire that he can still function in modern society with all the computers and IDs and everything. One of the things I enjoyed about Forever Knight (mid 90s) (same premise only the main character is a vampire cop) is that he was always having to dance around his background and the rise of computers for tracking information and moved every 15+ years before his not aging became obvious. I was thinking this too, considering it seems like he even keeps using the same name. Though his nervous looking at the cameras even after the cops show up to rescue him from x-acto knife murder seems to say he doesn't want to have his disappearing/regenerating/whatever act caught on tape, so maybe they'll get into it more as the season goes on.
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# ? Sep 24, 2014 15:03 |
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Just watched the first two episodes of this, and one thing is bothering me; What happens to his clothes? When he dies in the train crash the watch stays behind because he dropped it, but the clothes he was wearing (and presumably anything in his pockets) vanished with him, then he appears naked in the water. Where are his clothes? Where's his wallet? His phone? How does he get them back? He must be able to get them back or there's no way he would still have that watch. Also I'm not keen on the nemesis thing so far, but I'm willing to believe that it could turn out OK. Seriously though, what happens to his clothes?
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 15:21 |
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I wonder that too. They weren't on the bridge after he got hit by the car. Maybe they get... Uh... Atomized or something? I bet he's spent a lot of money on phones...
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# ? Sep 25, 2014 22:08 |
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Tiggum posted:Just watched the first two episodes of this, and one thing is bothering me; What happens to his clothes? When he dies in the train crash the watch stays behind because he dropped it, but the clothes he was wearing (and presumably anything in his pockets) vanished with him, then he appears naked in the water. Where are his clothes? Where's his wallet? His phone? How does he get them back? He must be able to get them back or there's no way he would still have that watch. And his body? does it just vanish? does it remain dead and he respawns in a new body? If so does he go back to his previous body to collect his gear like a video game? Maybe that's why he works as a medical examiner. I like the show so far though. Edit: just watched episode 2. Huh. Guess it does just vanish. that's odd. The Lord Bude fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Sep 28, 2014 |
# ? Sep 28, 2014 09:16 |
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Tiggum posted:Just watched the first two episodes of this, and one thing is bothering me; What happens to his clothes? When he dies in the train crash the watch stays behind because he dropped it, but the clothes he was wearing (and presumably anything in his pockets) vanished with him, then he appears naked in the water. Where are his clothes? Where's his wallet? His phone? How does he get them back? He must be able to get them back or there's no way he would still have that watch. You're thinking too much about it. It's a show about a dude who can't die. His phone/wallet are magic too. Yup that's how it has to be for this premise to work.
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# ? Sep 28, 2014 12:51 |
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As long as you don't get too hung up on the technical stuff, this show is pretty fun. But then again, the same can be said about 80% of shows on TV today. I never watched New Amsterdam, so I went into this unbiased, and found it cute and charming enough to get into it pretty easily. Judd Hirsch has been my favourite go-to sage advice guy since Independence Day and Numb3rs, so that was a good draw there. I liked that they mentioned he'd been experimented on before, though. With most shows like this, they're always stressing "If the authorities find out, who knows what they will do!" but in this he's just like "They did, and it was exactly as villainous as you'd think." The only thing I'm worried about getting old and goofy is how often he dies per episode. I know it's the whole premise of the show, and they at least made the aconite poisoning experiment seem partially useful to the plot, but they've made it seem in the past two episodes like he dies at least every other day. I hope as the show goes on, and they finish cementing the idea that it happens, that they slow down on it. (I'd actually written "He dies a lot more than the average person would" before I realized what I was saying ) I was going to ask if we were going to be playing the Who Is Adam's Voice guessing game, but then I checked out the wikipedia page for an unrelated reason and saw that they weren't actually keeping it secret.
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# ? Sep 28, 2014 13:12 |
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KatWithHands posted:As long as you don't get too hung up on the technical stuff, this show is pretty fun. But then again, the same can be said about 80% of shows on TV today. I never watched New Amsterdam, so I went into this unbiased, and found it cute and charming enough to get into it pretty easily. Judd Hirsch has been my favourite go-to sage advice guy since Independence Day and Numb3rs, so that was a good draw there. Well I guess we won't be seeing too much of him then, he seems pretty busy on that other show.
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# ? Sep 28, 2014 13:17 |
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Well, this show certainly didn't waste any time delving into gross super science.
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# ? Oct 1, 2014 05:58 |
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I always thought brain food was supposed to make you smarter...
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# ? Oct 1, 2014 10:38 |
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Is this show at all promising or worth watching or should I not even bother?
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# ? Oct 1, 2014 20:53 |
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Wolpertinger posted:Is this show at all promising or worth watching or should I not even bother? Well that totally depends on the types of shows you like. If you enjoy 'police procedural with a twist' shows that are fluffy, charming, consistently tongue-in-cheek, and have a good amount of chemistry, then give it a shot, because that seems to be what it's going to turn out to be. If you like grim or serious drama, top tier writing, and unique plotlines, you'll probably find it trite and goofy. It's only three episodes in, so it's not a huge investment to check it out. And if it gets better later in the season, you can always check back in and get a feel for it then. I really like Henry and Abe's relationship in this latest episode. I think Ioan Gruffud managed to pull off the paternal concern bit quite well without it being too comical. It felt realistic rather than a 'get it, because Abe's the older one' gag. KatWithHands fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Oct 2, 2014 |
# ? Oct 1, 2014 23:58 |
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I said this earlier but this show so far feels like Castle before it went to poo poo, so I'm definitely sticking it out for a while. All the characters have good chemistry and the myth arc, while small, has some definite potential to lead into really weird episodes.
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# ? Oct 2, 2014 00:17 |
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Watched the pilot and it was mildly entertaining. I'm in for another episode or two at least.
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# ? Oct 2, 2014 01:37 |
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wormil posted:Watched the pilot and it was mildly entertaining. I'm in for another episode or two at least. Same. I was dumb and didn't actually expect the older guy to be his son though it's completely obvious in retrospect with a plot involving an immortal.
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# ? Oct 2, 2014 02:50 |
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This is a goofy, light, and perfectly enjoyable show, but the OP got me curious about New Amsterdam and by its second episode, it's a lot more interesting and has virtually all the same characters. I'm not sure whether to binge New Amsterdam this weekend, or watch it in conjunction with Forever.
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# ? Oct 3, 2014 03:56 |
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I missed ep2, did they already resolve the mystery caller/killer that says he is immortal?
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# ? Oct 3, 2014 05:32 |
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wormil posted:I missed ep2, did they already resolve the mystery caller/killer that says he is immortal? No, there was no mention of it in the most recent episode. I'm guessing it's a long term thing.
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# ? Oct 3, 2014 07:49 |
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The Lord Bude posted:No, there was no mention of it in the most recent episode. I'm guessing it's a long term thing. Maybe it's Red John
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# ? Oct 3, 2014 16:32 |
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That guy's voice is very distictive...I knew who he was after the first few words, possibly because I watched a LOT of Heros. Gave me a strong Methos vibe (I'm so old I don't give a gently caress anymore, etc.) Liking the show, his first instinct was to run, which seems right. He's background is tied up in Guam, that's also perfect.
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# ? Oct 3, 2014 17:20 |
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LorneReams posted:Liking the show, his first instinct was to run, which seems right. He's background is tied up in Guam, that's also perfect. I like that he's surprisingly emotional, impulsive, and occasionally even fearful, instead of the typical cool, all-knowing genius type that's always the lead in these types of procedurals. I like the characters enough that I can handle the problematic parts.
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# ? Oct 3, 2014 17:37 |
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Wolpertinger posted:I like that he's surprisingly emotional, impulsive, and occasionally even fearful, instead of the typical cool, all-knowing genius type that's always the lead in these types of procedurals. I like the characters enough that I can handle the problematic parts. Man, I was trying to figure out what exactly it was about him that made me like him more than other procedural-with-a-twist leads, but that's it. He doesn't have all the answers, he's openly vulnerable at times, and he's not the snarky jackass that the female lead falls in love with while shaking her finger at him and going "Oh, you." Take away the immortal bit, and he'd probably be just as refreshing in this genre. I've never been very good at figuring out how ratings work; can anyone tell me if Forever's been doing alright for its first three weeks? I know it's not been a smash hit right out of the gate by any means, but is it looking hopeful for a new series?
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# ? Oct 3, 2014 19:43 |
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They haven't addressed it yet, but in the scene of him being arrested after the first death in the pilot that's in the intro he seems to still have scarring from being shot the first time.
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# ? Oct 6, 2014 05:49 |
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KatWithHands posted:Man, I was trying to figure out what exactly it was about him that made me like him more than other procedural-with-a-twist leads, but that's it. He doesn't have all the answers, he's openly vulnerable at times, and he's not the snarky jackass that the female lead falls in love with while shaking her finger at him and going "Oh, you." Take away the immortal bit, and he'd probably be just as refreshing in this genre.
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# ? Oct 6, 2014 08:44 |
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Aphrodite posted:They haven't addressed it yet, but in the scene of him being arrested after the first death in the pilot that's in the intro he seems to still have scarring from being shot the first time. I thought at first it was the thing that killed him (thinking wow, he must have a lot of scars), but then after the flashback put it together.
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# ? Oct 6, 2014 14:38 |
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LorneReams posted:I thought at first it was the thing that killed him (thinking wow, he must have a lot of scars), but then after the flashback put it together. Yeah, I thought that too but I think it went through lower on his body. Plus his face didn't get messed up after being hit by the truck. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Oct 6, 2014 |
# ? Oct 6, 2014 14:42 |
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Even For-e-ver was once New Amsterdam, Why they changed it, I can't say. People just liked it better that wayyyy.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 16:16 |
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One episode in and I'm liking this show. 'Course, I've always had something of a bro-crush on Ioan Gruffudd
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 16:29 |
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Oh, Sober, not sure if you want to put it in the op, but Forever airs on Mondays on CTV in Canada, so do you want to put an official word down on spoilerchat until it airs on Tuesdays?
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 21:38 |
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Yeah I caught the airing yesterday. This show has a tiny audience but you might as well be safe and put a disclaimer.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 21:40 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 14:06 |
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Yeah I'll make sure to edit it in. I just realized it airs Monday last week too. Well, I guess here is this week's episode.quote:"The Art of Murder"
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 23:01 |