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the last tour hiatus breezed by to be honest, and I think breaks that long are necessary to maintain your sanity and to come back with new ideas.
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:Didn't see this posted yet, so here you go:
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Oct 1, 2014 21:45
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Those kids are gonna start school in a couple of years and I bet my rear end Trent won't be doing mega tours for a long while when that happens.
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Oct 1, 2014 21:50
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Awh, that's adorable....Trent is 'nesting.' Being serious, wtf not? He has success, a good reputation, money, and (i hope) a loving family. He should work when he wants to, or when he has something artistically he needs to get off his chest. There's nothing sadder than a guy in his 50s that keeps trying to act and party like he's in his 20s. Grow older and mature gracefully....and that still leaves plenty of room for more great music in the future. I mean poo poo, look at Bowie...a new album at 66 and its actually very listenable. Also like Bowie, if Trent just wants to release nin songs/albums from home and not tour with them, I'd be cool with that. I myself don't do the concert thing any more (drug testing at work makes it kind of pointless...and wife and all that poo poo too...yeah).
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Oct 1, 2014 22:42
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Is Pretty Hate Machine really considered innovative? I think it's probably the most derivative-sounding NIN album, owing a ton to bands like Depeche Mode. TDS is really the most unique of them - tons of bands made ripoffs of PHM/Broken, but virtually no one even attempted to sound like Spiral. The closest thing I've heard to it is Splinter by Gary Numan, released last year (!).
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Oct 2, 2014 03:27
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I wouldn't call PHM or Broken or even TDS innovative. PHM sounds like Ministry's With Sympathy, Broken again sounds like what Ministry was doing at the time, and TDS is like 90-92 Era Skinny Puppy with better production. The Fragile is where I'd say the 'NIN sound' first originated and is most exemplified, though you can see hints of it in FTDS.
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Oct 2, 2014 03:45
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It does seem like NIN found their signature sound with Fragile...it seems to echo most heavily in all of the later albums. I enjoy Depeche Mode and New Order, and as for Gary Numan...i both enjoy his music and admire him as a person greatly (i have personal reasons for this that i don't want to go into here, so lets just say he has been an inspiration for me in life). Still...for 1989...and after all the big arena and big hair bands of the '80s; PHM was a very welcome breath of fresh air. Yes, its influences are clear to true music lovers, especially those who listen to Brit/Euro stuff from before NIN's time...but for the average American Joe and casual music fan in the early '90s? PHM really did sound quite different compared to most of what else was out there. It helped blaze the musical trail out of the '80s and into the new styles of the '90s. Not my favorite album, but i can still get into it. That said, it hasn't aged as well as Spiral or Fragile I feel.
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Oct 2, 2014 05:05
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TOOT BOOT posted:I wouldn't call PHM or Broken or even TDS innovative. PHM sounds like Ministry's With Sympathy, Broken again sounds like what Ministry was doing at the time, and TDS is like 90-92 Era Skinny Puppy with better production. The Fragile is where I'd say the 'NIN sound' first originated and is most exemplified, though you can see hints of it in FTDS.  ) and were experimenting with weird sampled percussion. I also think TDS is pretty drastically different in style from Too Dark Park / Last Rights; Skinny Puppy always liked to sound like barely contained apocalyptic chaos with tons of vocal samples. The most puppyish thing off TDS is probably The Becoming, although off the top of my head I can't think of a single NIN song with a movie dialogue sample in it. To Mishaco's point, I think one of Trent's greatest strengths was always fusing his pop sensibilities with the harsher noisier stuff. For the intended audience PHM may very well have been a breath of fresh air. The internet is full of those awful, tired discussions on whether NIN was "real" industrial since he dared to make things more approachable than the typical Wax Trax act.
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Oct 2, 2014 05:23
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david_a posted:although off the top of my head I can't think of a single NIN song with a movie dialogue sample in it. Like half the PHM demos had movie dialog in them but they was all removed for the proper release.
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Oct 2, 2014 06:54
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Didn't Reptile have some clip from Texas Chainsaw in it? Online 21st opinions or not, back in the '90s, NIN really spoke to me and had their own unique sound (again for me). I was never into Skinny Puppy though.
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Oct 2, 2014 08:34
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The start of Mr. Selfdestruct is a voice sample from THX 1138.
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Oct 2, 2014 09:18
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TOOT BOOT posted:Like half the PHM demos had movie dialog in them but they was all removed for the proper release. Samopsa posted:The start of Mr. Selfdestruct is a voice sample from THX 1138.
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Oct 2, 2014 13:35
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Sanctified had that Midnight Express sample in the bridge. It was taken out on the remaster.
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I have been a big Skinny Puppy fan for a long time but I don't understand how TDS sounds like early 90's SP at all. Parts of PHM do sure, but TDS owes as much if not more to David Bowie and Prince than it does Skinny Puppy. I wouldn't call it radically innovative but NIN was really the first mainstream pop act combining elements of industrial with elements of synthpop, funk, hard rock, and ambient and it had a pretty unique sound. Samopsa posted:The start of Mr. Selfdestruct is a voice sample from THX 1138. Yes there are odd film samples sprinkled throughout several NIN albums but he does not use them in the same way at all. Skinny Puppy generally uses samples in a very dense and clear way whereas with NIN you might here elements of one once or twice per album at most, and it's even more rare that they have any audible words. Whereas Skinny Puppy has a ton of songs with parts that have intense collages of very clear vocal samples that form almost a second set of lyrics for the song. Earwicker fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Oct 2, 2014 15:04
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The looping screams in the The Becoming are from Robot Jox
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Oct 2, 2014 15:30
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Leon Einstein posted:Sanctified had that Midnight Express sample in the bridge. It was taken out on the remaster.
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Oct 2, 2014 16:14
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The beat to Closer is a manipulated clip of Iggy Pop's Nightclubbing and the main noise in Ruiner was probably stolen from Prince's Alphabet Street
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Oct 2, 2014 16:20
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^^ He just sampled the kick drum. david_a posted:Ah, I totally forgot about that one! Did he take it out for legal reasons? Yes.
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Oct 2, 2014 16:56
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The cover of Get Down, Make Love also has movie samples in the beginning (not looking up where it's from since I'm on a phone right now.)
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Oct 2, 2014 17:14
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHKgfar1IuM&t=21s
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Oct 2, 2014 18:04
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While the origins of obscure Nine Inch Nails sound effects is on the table, has there ever been anything said definitively about whether they used Reznor's vocals on 1000 Homo DJ's cover of Supernaut? Al Jourgensen claimed he did them, but Reznor also faced a lawsuit if it came out that he sang on the track. It sure as poo poo sounds like Reznor, so unless Jourgensen is just doing an amazing impression I always figured he was just covering Trent's rear end while still releasing the track.
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Oct 2, 2014 18:56
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Pretty sure there are a couple of versions of it floating around, one with AJ and one with TR who is uncredited in order to avoid some legal bullshit with TVT
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Oct 2, 2014 19:17
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My version of 'Supernaut' came off my Purest Feelings II bootleg disc (bought it while living in Europe), and i always thought it was Reznor's voice. I could be wrong as I never delved deep into the issue or anything, but it sure does sound like him during the Broken era. My labrador, who passed away last month, was named Prince hehe.
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Oct 2, 2014 19:35
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The one that sounds like Trent is Trent. The one that features Ministry-style distorted vocals is either Al or just Trent again depending on what rumors you believe.
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Oct 2, 2014 20:14
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Was it a common thought that Trent's song A Warm Place took a lot from David Bowie's Crystal Japan? Or was that something people recognized in a more modern time frame?
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Oct 3, 2014 10:53
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Perfidus posted:Was it a common thought that Trent's song A Warm Place took a lot from David Bowie's Crystal Japan? Trent straight up admitted it in an interview, and I don't remember when that interview was but I'm pretty sure it was with infamous MTV "VJ" Kennedy, which I'm pretty sure means it was the 90's
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Oct 3, 2014 15:21
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Perfidus posted:Was it a common thought that Trent's song A Warm Place took a lot from David Bowie's Crystal Japan? Or was that something people recognized in a more modern time frame? Treat must've heard it way back and didn't realize he was basically remaking it. That's my guess.
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Oct 3, 2014 15:21
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As a huge NIN fan I can fully admit that Reznor lifts rhythms and melodies frequently.
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Oct 3, 2014 16:15
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Honestly, who doesn't?
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It's mostly just an ascending scale anyway; which also makes it a great counterpoint to the recurring descending scale motif from Closer.
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Oct 3, 2014 18:18
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Sir Lemming posted:It's mostly just an ascending scale anyway; which also makes it a great counterpoint to the recurring descending scale motif from Closer. It's obvious on The Downward Spiral, but I never heard it on Heresy until about 3 years ago.
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Oct 3, 2014 18:29
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I saw Gone Girl last night and goddamn the soundtrack definitely elevates that movie quite a bit. Thought it was much better than TGWTDT soundtrack as well.
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Oct 3, 2014 18:41
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Sir Lemming posted:It's mostly just an ascending scale anyway; which also makes it a great counterpoint to the recurring descending scale motif from Closer. Well yes the melody is an ascending scale, but what makes it derivative of Crystal Japan is the way that scale interacts with the underlying chord progression. As well as that little turn at the end of the scale. Earwicker fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Oct 3, 2014 |
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Oct 3, 2014 18:55
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One of the best things about Reznor is how much he's into many different types of music, and how serious he takes his instruments. He is into all kinds of classical, and then pretty much everything up through Bowie and beyond. The ways in which he mixes and matches all kinds of different sounds? that's very interesting to me. I was reading reviews lastnight on Amazon, just for the poo poo of it. I saw a goodly number of people comparing NIN to mesh....anyone here know mesh? If so, like/dislike and do you feel the two should be compared so heavily? Right now, i am going through some life changes (all be it all very good ones), and when that happens i tend to turn to music to even me out. Plus, i finally bought a new mp3 player after 8 years of my old one haha. Its drat hard to find a non-Apple and/or non-touch screne device things days. Seriously, this whole touch screne thing is killing me. Anyway....just at work but without a lot to do right this moment.
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Oct 3, 2014 19:33
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Everyone borrows, I'm not faulting anyone for it.
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Oct 3, 2014 19:43
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Of course...in music and in everything else. Everything is built on what came before. Whats good is that that process also acts like a filter...good ideas are taken further and bad ones often fall aside, becoming historical curiosities. I think one reason i like both nin and the Pumpkins as much as i do is that both bands were influenced by a lot of the same music. The two sounds are very different, but have similar cores. The only thing is, when a person borrows (or is inspired by), they should openly give credit, and I've never felt Reznor tried to hide where his music came from. He's even done a few high profile covers of songs from artists he likes: Dead Souls, Get Down Make Love, and Metal come to mind. Plus touring with Bowie!
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Oct 3, 2014 21:21
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Because I'm a massive nerd I like to make my own versions of NIN albums with various remixes and alternate versions and I have to say: I love the version of A Warm Place with vocals but it never fits on the album. I'm glad we got the version we did but I wish that track had a proper release.
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Earwicker posted:Trent straight up admitted it in an interview, and I don't remember when that interview was but I'm pretty sure it was with infamous MTV "VJ" Kennedy, which I'm pretty sure means it was the 90's Quote-Unquote posted:A Warm Place with vocals
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Oct 4, 2014 08:17
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Kennedy is a conservative talk radio host in California now.
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Mishaco posted:Plus touring with Bowie! I saw his duet of Hurt with Bowie. Life changing, lemme tell ya.
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